Science Liquid water found on Mars - Is there life on Maaaaars?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-44952710

Researchers have found evidence of an existing body of liquid water on Mars.

What they believe to be a lake sits under the planet's south polar ice cap, and is about 20km (12 miles) across.

Previous research found possible signs of intermittent liquid water flowing on the martian surface, but this is the first sign of a persistent body of water on the planet in the present day.

Lake beds like those explored by Nasa's Curiosity rover show water was present on the surface of Mars in the past.

However, the planet's climate has since cooled due to its thin atmosphere, leaving most of its water locked up in ice.

The discovery was made using Marsis, a radar instrument on board the Mars Express orbiter.

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Image captionThe proposed lake sits beneath ice near the south pole of Mars
"It's probably not a very large lake," says Prof Roberto Orosei from the Italian National Institute for Astrophysics, who led the study.

Marsis wasn't able to determine how deep the layer of water might be, but the research team estimate that it is a minimum of one metre.

"This really qualifies this as a body of water. A lake, not some kind of meltwater filling some space between rock and ice, as happens in certain glaciers on Earth," Prof Orosei added.

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Image captionArtists impression: Mars Express probing the planet's surface. Marsis radar results above.
How was it found?
Radar instruments like Marsis examine the surface and immediate subsurface of the planet by sending out a signal and examining what is bounced back.

The continuous white line at the top of the radar results above marks the beginning of the South Polar Layered Deposit; a filo pastry-like accumulation of water ice and dust.

Beneath this, researchers spotted something unusual 1.5km beneath the ice.

"In light blue you can see where the reflections from the bottom are stronger than surface reflection. This is something that is to us the tell tale sign of the presence of water," says Prof Orosei.

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Image captionArtists impression: Marsis data shows an area of high reflectivity (dark blue) which is thought to be water
What does this mean for life?
Nothing definitive. Yet.

Dr Manish Patel from the Open University explains: "We have long since known that the surface of Mars is inhospitable to life as we know it, so the search for life on Mars is now in the subsurface.

"This is where we get sufficient protection from harmful radiation, and the pressure and temperature rise to more favourable levels. Most importantly, this allows liquid water, essential for life."

This principle of following the water is key to astrobiology - the study of potential life beyond Earth.

So while the findings suggest water is present, they don't confirm anything further.

"We are not closer to actually detecting life," Dr Patel told BBC News, "but what this finding does is give us the location of where to look on Mars. It is like a treasure map - except in this case, there will be lots of 'X's marking the spots."

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Image captionAstrobiologists study extreme environments like salt lakes on Earth to understand how life might survive on Mars
The water's temperature and chemistry could also pose a problem for any potential martian organisms.

In order to remain liquid in such cold conditions (the research team estimate between -10 and -30 Celsius where it meets the ice above), the water likely has a great many salts dissolved in it.

"It's plausible that the water may be an extremely cold, concentrated brine, which would be pretty challenging for life," explained Dr Claire Cousins, an astrobiologist from the University of St Andrews, UK.

What next?
While its existence provides a tantalising prospect for those interested in the possibility of past or present life on Mars, the lake's characteristics must first be verified by further research.

"What needs to be done now," explained Dr Matt Balme from the Open University, "is for the measurements to be repeated elsewhere to look for similar signals, and, if possible, for all other explanation to be examined and - hopefully - ruled out.

"Maybe this could even be the trigger for an ambitious new Mars mission to drill into this buried water-pocket - like has been done for sub-glacial lakes in Antarctica on Earth," he added.

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Image captionThe area has been compared to Lake Vostok, which lies 4km beneath the Antarctic ice
Scientists have previously claimed to find bacterial life in the buried depths of Antarctica's Lake Vostok, but drilling on Mars would make for an ambitious project indeed.

"Getting there and acquiring the final evidence that this is indeed a lake will not be an easy task," says Prof Orosei.

"It will require flying a robot there which is capable of drilling through 1.5km of ice. This will certainly require some technological developments that at the moment are not available."

Seems it's a whole frozen lake under the pole, but still extremely interesting.
 
Wouldnt there be water under the surface like in the water table of mars? Couldnt you drill for it?
 
If they can sell a bottle of water from Fiji for 4 bucks, how much is this mars water going to go to trendy yuppie moms?

Not that I am getting a rocket and ice ship with dollar signs in my eyes or anything.
 
Can we toss all the SJWs onto a rocket and send them to Mars, then? There's water, so that's all they need to sustain themselves. Water and hatred for white dudes: they'll survive easily.
 
Can we toss all the SJWs onto a rocket and send them to Mars, then? There's water, so that's all they need to sustain themselves. Water and hatred for white dudes: they'll survive easily.

No, send them to Venus.

Mars is potentially useful.
 
It'd likely have to be very gross brine that only extremophile microorganisms could survive in, at the very best (and that requires them to have evolved in the first place before they retreated to an environment like this, chance of abiogenesis in this sort of environment is almost nonexistant).

Even as deep as this lake may be, the temperatures are such that it would have to be a very dense liquid to not freeze at the (at best) -10'C that the avg temp would be - which suggests a lot of dissolved salts and other chemicals. Very fascinating discovery, but probably does little for improving the chance of us finding life on Mars. Give me deeper lakes or ones that are closer to the equator, then we're hitting serious news.
 
Mars got hit with a giant something and lost its magnetosphere a long, long, long ass time ago, which has very slowly caused solar winds to strip it of its atmosphere and liquid surface water. Even if there's anything left, below the surface, it's frozen and full of fail.
 
So on breaking bad walter was saying the theoretical importance of water on mars was that the water could be separated into hydrogen and oxygen, and used as fuel.

Now... there appear to be a number of problems with that assertion, including that I heard it on a fictional TV show, and that I don't think spaceships can run on the same fuel as the hindenburg, but has anyone heard anything similar anywhere else?

I mean, it'd be cool to find life elsewhere, but... aside from being cool, who cares? Unless it was intelligent, then we can fight, but that seems unlikely in this case.
 
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