Opinion Liberals don't need to save democracy - We lost an election! Democracy sucks! Progressive aristocracy now!

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I think liberals need a reality check. Most of us still believe liberalism and democracy are the same thing. The terms used to be synonymous. From the 1960s to the 2010s, you could use them interchangeably. After the last election, it’s pretty clear they’re not the same anymore.

Something else should be clear. Democracy is now running against the grain of liberalism and everything that term means to liberals. It is running against freedom of speech and the press, freedom of religion, due process, equity and inclusion, competitive markets, etc. We prefer to say authoritarianism is the cause. That’s right, but only partly right. Authoritarianism is always rooted in democracy, and here we are.

If we do not admit to ourselves that liberalism and democracy are now divorced from each other, we risk hurting the cause of liberty and bankrupting morality by blindly championing democracy. Remember: Donald Trump said he’d save democracy, too – democracy for white people. That’s the point of maga, “liberating” the “real America” from the rest of America, and making the government whites-only again.

The evidence that liberals still believe liberalism and democracy are the same can be found in our articles of faith. For instance: “History is on our side.” That’s the idea that an ever-expanding circle of freedom is foreordained. When all is said and done, we tell ourselves, history will show that we were on the side of right against the side of might.

This belief in the inevitability of progress harms progress. It encourages us to think we can stand by and watch history roll by and do what it’s “supposed to do.” If individual rights and liberties are inevitable, there’s no need to fight those who would take them away.

Worse, it encourages cynicism. If no one has to do anything — because history keeps rolling by – no one has to actually believe what they say. Conclusion: The parties are the same. Their candidates are the same. Everything is as good or bad as everything else and nothing matters.

Some 90 million people didn’t vote last year. A percentage voted for someone other than Trump and Kamala Harris. History isn’t on anyone’s side, but belief in that almost certainly contributed to the fact that the worst aspects of the American character are popular again. Before the 1960s, sadism was socially accepted, to use Richard Rorty’s phrasing. It was taboo until the 2010s. Now it’s again socially accepted.

But I think the strongest evidence that we still believe liberalism and democracy are the same is our faith in public opinion. Liberals look to polling as if it were an anchor amid Donald Trump’s chaos. We could look to ourselves and our own values for stability, but instead, we’re constantly checking right-and-wrong against what other people think.

We do this even when other people’s thinking is backwards. The Financial Times reported a new poll that found that a vast majority, 80 percent, believe that America “would be better off if more people worked in manufacturing.” But when asked if they themselves would be better off, a vast majority of respondents, 73 percent, said no thanks.

The point of such polls is getting a sense of what people think of the regime’s tariff policy and its goal of bringing back manufacturing (a goal that Joe Biden had already started achieving). But the poll can be interpreted another way: as evidence that the national consensus that once bound liberalism and democracy together has totally unraveled.

Between the 1960s and the 2010s (maybe earlier, if you wish, after World War II ended in 1945), there was a serious majority feeling that the government should serve all the people, not just some of the people, and “the American people” meant all of them, not just the white ones. That’s gone. This poll reflects that. In fact, it dramatically suggests a new consensus – that public policy is for thee, not for me.

Liberals might say polls still have value and point to those showing disapproval of Trump’s first 100 days. That’s Chuck Schumer’s position. The Senate minority leader said last week that “public opinion is everything. And the public is turning against what Trump is doing.”

I think such polls are deceptive. Trump’s approval is in the gutter right now, but it was also in the gutter at this time during his last term. Even so, a majority of white people, who are still the majority of all Americans, put him back in charge. The takeaway should be that job performance doesn’t matter to them as much as who’s on the job.

What’s popular isn’t about what Trump does or doesn’t do.

What’s popular is about who he is and isn’t.

That’s because liberalism and democracy are no longer the same thing. If liberals do not recognize and accept this new reality, we will end up forfeiting our principles for the sake of what’s popular, when what’s popular is running headlong into what’s important to the republic.

If liberals of the last century had waited for public opinion to turn, the 1964 Civil Rights Act wouldn’t have happened. Same for the 1965 Voting Rights Act. Same for all the rights movements. None of it was foreordained. All of it was planned and prosecuted. Freedom wasn’t claimed because of democracy. It was claimed in spite of democracy.
 
It is running against freedom of speech and the press, freedom of religion, due process, equity and inclusion, competitive markets, etc.
Same group of people who were gleeful at everyone being locked in their homes under pain of imprisonment for years, actively shit on Christians at every opportunity, have clapped at the thousands of acts of frivolous lawfare against an orange man, and actively play defense for monopolies and their backroom deals with politicians that cripple small businesses and enable further unnecessary/wasteful/corrupt government intrusion into the markets.

Hypocrisy and delusion are their rules, not the exceptions.
 
If we do not admit to ourselves that liberalism and democracy are now divorced from each other, we risk hurting the cause of liberty and bankrupting morality by blindly championing democracy.
Ah yes. Save liberty by telling the majority "your votes don't matter" and putting all power in the hands of an aristocratic class that just knows better. That's totally a sane and rational position to espouse.
 
Trump’s approval is in the gutter right now, but i
Now what's the Dems approval?
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Freedom wasn’t claimed because of democracy. It was claimed in spite of democracy.
I wonder if they know what this actually means and how their ideas are not popular. Remember when it comes to trooning out kids they are in denial about it
 
You do have to love the openness the Proggies have embraced lately

No more beating around the bush, no more euphemisms or hidden language just a plain text we want power and we will do whatever it takes to get it. Morality, ethics, standards all pale to nothingness in the face of the Proggie push for power over society and more importantly power over YOU.

But hey it's OK. They are 100% sure that once they build their utopia everything, all the war, all the death and all the destruction will totes be worth it!!
 
Authoritarianism is always rooted in democracy
I too, have had these kind of ideas while high off my ass. I didn't feel the need to turn it into an essay though. Probably because I was high, just like this retard.

If no one has to do anything — because history keeps rolling by – no one has to actually believe what they say.
Mask-off moment here, but it's also how you end up with so many champagne socialists like Hasan.

The Financial Times reported a new poll that found that a vast majority, 80 percent, believe that America “would be better off if more people worked in manufacturing.” But when asked if they themselves would be better off, a vast majority of respondents, 73 percent, said no thanks.
Congress has shit approval ratings, but when polled about their individual congressman, people like them and will reelect them. Same thing here.

That’s because liberalism and democracy are no longer the same thing.
freedom wasn’t claimed because of democracy. It was claimed in spite of democracy.
Another mask-off moment. They are all trying to hype someone else up into doing something stupid. Never themselves though, because almost none of them truly believe in the cause. No one has to actually believe what they say.
 
You do have to love the openness the Proggies have embraced lately

No more beating around the bush, no more euphemisms or hidden language just a plain text we want power and we will do whatever it takes to get it. Morality, ethics, standards all pale to nothingness in the face of the Proggie push for power over society and more importantly power over YOU.

But hey it's OK. They are 100% sure that once they build their utopia everything, all the war, all the death and all the destruction will totes be worth it!!
It is the side effect of the dirty little secret both parties want desperately to hide from the public... Government is irreversibly gridlocked. Nothing gets passed by Congress because of hatred of the other side and no one wanting to lose a primary for taking an unpopular stance for the greater good, and the only way to get shit done is judicial first or Presidential decree, both of which are temporary at best, especially after Roe v Wade got nuked, proving Supreme Court fiats can be overturned.

At this point, it's only a matter of time before we get a dictatorship to break the gridlock and the left is pissed the fuck off the right might beat them to the punch.
 
They've already proven they're willing to openly subvert it to achieve their own ends. The last thing they want to do is "save" it. The tone of these articles is already hysterically desperate, fumbling. Just imagine the hyperventilating once the midterms draw closer. If they're still flailing around mindlessly with no coherent message and no figurehead to rally behind, they could be in some deep shit.
 
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Government is irreversibly gridlocked.
This is absolutely why things have gone this way. All the shit Democrats pulled the last four years was by Bureaucratic mandate. Not legislation. And it’s why they’ve constantly resorted to their judicial lackies. Equally at fault are the RINOs who pretend to oppose things. All of Congress is essentially locked into the most lucrative grift you can get. They make millions doing….something. But it sure af isn’t legislating. Why risk your voters getting upset when you can just make money doing nothing at all. For life.
 
Democrats are always accusing the Republicans of the things they're most guilty of. They accuse the Republicans of being an "oligarchy", while no one bothers to question how Democratic senators make their millions and billions. Oh, and we're not a "Democracy". We're a Constitutional Republic, you absolute brainless, dumb motherfuckers.
 
Most of us still believe liberalism and democracy are the same thing. The terms used to be synonymous. From the 1960s to the 2010s, you could use them interchangeably.
Not really. It seems to me that at some point in the last five years or so, the "our democracy" catchphrase began. Prior to that, the concept of democracy and the democrat party/liberals were separate things, and anyone with an IQ over 80 could easily differentiate between them.
 
From Dune:
“Safaris through ancestral memories teach me many things. The patterns, ahhh, the patterns. Liberal bigots are the ones who trouble me most. I distrust the extremes. Scratch a conservative and you find someone who prefers the past over any future. Scratch a liberal and find a closet aristocrat. It’s true! Liberal governments always develop into aristocracies. The bureaucracies betray the true intent of people who form such governments. Right from the first, the little people who formed the governments which promised to equalize the social burdens found themselves suddenly in the hands of bureaucratic aristocracies. Of course, all bureaucracies follow this pattern, but what a hypocrisy to find this even under a communized banner. Ahhh, well, if patterns teach me anything it’s that patterns are repeated. My oppressions, by and large, are no worse than any of the others and, at least, I teach a new lesson.”
 
When I get what I want, it's liberty and democracy. When I don't get what I want, it's white supremacy. Ultimately, these words mean nothing. They're just purr and snarl words used to say Orange Man Bad, and we need to Do Something About It, and by 'we' I mean 'you'.

Oh wait, I get it now! He wants a democracy like how North Korea is a democracy.
 
If liberals of the last century had waited for public opinion to turn, the 1964 Civil Rights Act wouldn’t have happened. Same for the 1965 Voting Rights Act. Same for all the rights movements. None of it was foreordained. All of it was planned and prosecuted. Freedom wasn’t claimed because of democracy. It was claimed in spite of democracy.
Thank you for admitting every "good" about the past 100+ years has been forced down our throats. Time for it, and you to go into the dustbin of history.
 
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