LGB drop the TQ - Move this thread if it's in the wrong place :o

[Jive]

it guess it's because germany has become pretty much the human trafficking hub of Europe. we once encountered a group of young 20somethings in a pub who had a bed mattress in tow, they bragged about how one of those despicable flat rate bordellos had some P.R. stunt were you would get some form of discount, if you brought "you own mattress" or some shit -asked us I we wanted to come with. Then there's all the flexing about getting girls to perform more and more pornified sex. But since most of that porn shit is from the states I doubt that's a german specific thing. They will not brag about piss n shit or anything retarded like that, obviously but, for my taste, "painal" and "facefucking" are already too much... depening on how gleeful the guy gets about his girlfriend's discomfort. Germans are more on the flexing sadism with gf side, Ausländer more on the "they have all the prostitutes - the best" then suddenly, max at 25, it all stops. And they all become "respectable" family guys.

Wow, Germany sounds like a fucking sithole. Weimar 2 when? Right now, it turns.

Men need to learn that's its good for your partner to also enjoy sex as well. Selfish sex is a bigger issue culturally than homosexuality. You shouldn't get off at the discomfort of your partner. Men should be proud that they can make their partner cum, especially if you're sexually pleasing a woman. It's sad to hear German boys are so self centered until their mid 20's. To me that just looks like another aspect of harmful pride.

Now, some women do just like to be used, but that's not a reason to brag to the boys. If you had a rough or unconventional sex, that's still, very much, not a good reason to brag to the boys. Security in your actions come from belif that you've done the right thing and pleading to your friends is not the secure position. Make your wife cum, have good sex and keep it to yourself. That's the crux of a healthy relationship in any society.

 

[Psychonaut]

I don't know anything about the Q but I do agree we should drop the T.

 

[Dr. Eldon Tyrell]

Now, some women do just like to be used, but that's not a reason to brag to the boys. If you had a rough or unconventional sex, that's still, very much, not a good reason to brag to the boys. Security in your actions come from belif that you've done the right thing and pleading to your friends is not the secure position. Make your wife cum, have good sex and keep it to yourself. That's the crux of a healthy relationship in any society.

I actually think people should talk more about good sex.
I think keeping it down was the mistake, abusive shit has a way bigger and disproportionate voice because of porn and there is no porn of normal sex because that's what most people have anyhow. I found this esp. true in my teens.
When I wanted to see "how it's done" - didn't really vibe with what I saw. Was confuse. Not good.
I'm not going all out on this but I'm beginning to slowly fold even on the whole "I like it rought" and BDSM angle.
I'm not sure anymore, if these people really "are ok" just because they say "use me, daddy".

 

[Jive]

I actually think people should talk more about good sex.
I think keeping it down was the mistake, abusive shit has a way bigger and disproportionate voice because of porn and there is no porn of normal sex because that's what most people have anyhow. I found this esp. true in my teens.
When I wanted to see "how it's done" - didn't really vibe with what I saw. Was confuse. Not good.
I'm not going all out on this but I'm beginning to slowly fold even on the whole "I like it rought" and BDSM angle.
I'm not sure anymore, if these people really "are ok" just because they say "use me, daddy".

I'm not yet sure if talking about good sex is really the answer. At least not too publicly. Good things are self evident and evil needs to be astroturfed to be accepted. Women (but really both genders) can communicate privately with their partner about what they want and are are willing to give. People just largely want to saftly orgasim, to put it so bluntly, and you don't need the whole tribe to achieve that. Men just need to start respecting women and learn to love them they way she wishes.

Porn is a detriment to relationships for a lot of reasons. It creates crazy, unachievable standers for both genders and satisfies men without them having to work for it. Not to say I don't watch porn or masterbate but it shouldn't be the normal thing. Men preferably should only masterbate to nudes of their girl when she's out of the house and unavailable to have sex with. If you don't have a woman, masterbate sparingly, at max once every three days and not to anything conventually considered weird.

Now I do know girls who like it rough every once and a while. A tug of the hair or a slap on the ass isn't harmful. Abuse starts when a woman doesn't like what a man is doing. If you don't want to engage is some sexual activity, don't. Know that women hold most the power in bed. You'd be surprised just how much men (at least the ones I know) really do want their girl to have good time during sex. If that's not the case in Germany then you should move.

 

[Dr. Eldon Tyrell]

Know that women hold most the power in bed. You'd be surprised just how much men (at least the ones I know) really do want their girl to have good time during sex.

That's a whole can of worms. It seems to work most of the time but we never really know how much the envelope of what's acceptable for women to do, has been overton-shifted already
I def. remember that girls in high school were called weird, if they didn't want to do oral and, on that I'm not 100%, they pressured each other into doing it - "what? why? boys like it. oh my gawd, you prude."
In the end of the day it's all about the tease and giving in to more spicy demands only sparsely or else the guy will get bored and demand more and more stupid shit, guys also quickly learn if the girl's psychological defense mechanisms are shit to begin with and try to push the envelope just because of that. I really don't know why some guys are like that. But guys who actually love their wives and g.f. also exist but even then, as you said, they will still push for what's conventional, no doubt. And the overton window for what's conventional is moving fast.

 

[popsoda]

B - because maybe youre a little bit gay.
But TQ is not at all relevant to what's being discussed.
This is not a thread on why you hate gay people, or whatever.
I'm not defending gay stuff.
I just want to know, why should TQ be part of LGB?

Edit:
If you want to talk about how much you hate gay stuff or whatever, create your own thread.
It's a free internet (for now).

Edit #2:
I see gay men and gay women as one thing - "Trans" people and "queer" people is something else. Convince me otherwise.

 

[Jive]

This is not a thread on why you hate gay people, or whatever.
I'm not defending gay stuff.
I just want to know, why should TQ be part of LGB?

Lol your thread has been btfo'd.

Obviously, trans and queers shouldn't be included into LGB because tansexuality isn't a sexual preference, but a self identity issue, and queer is just a fancy synonym for bisexual. The Q can be completely discarded because they're either bisexual or just saying they're queer to fit in with their pro LGB friend group. The T maybe has a stronger claimant to be on the acronym but wanting to transition has nothing to do with sexual preference so it really doesn't belong.

Though, with my first post, I was arguing that all the letters need to go. That's not an argument against gays, I'm saying the sexual preference isn't a personality trait and homosexuals aren't a monolith. The individual gay person doesn't get anything out of having an open identity. The people who actually benefit are state funded support and advocacy groups. The T and the Q were added simply to increase the amount of potential applicants to gay right advocacy groups. Leech bureaucracies added extra letters simply to expand their organizations and bleed more money from the taxpayer.

I don't think the average gay person would really choose to wear a scarlet letter if LGB advocacy groups weren't so astroturfed. Gay people need to grow up and stop conflating sexual preference as a personality trait. Pride needs to be removed from the LGB movement or it will never be taken seriously.

 

[popsoda]

Lol your thread has been btfo'd.

Obviously, trans and queers shouldn't be included into LGB because tansexuality isn't a sexual preference, but a self identity issue, and queer is just a fancy synonym for bisexual. The Q can be completely discarded because they're either bisexual or just saying they're queer to fit in with their pro LGB friend group. The T maybe has a stronger claimant to be on the acronym but wanting to transition has nothing to do with sexual preference so it really doesn't belong.

Though, with my first post, I was arguing that all the letters need to go. That's not an argument against gays, I'm saying the sexual preference isn't a personality trait and homosexuals aren't a monolith. The individual gay person doesn't get anything out of having an open identity. The people who actually benefit are state funded support and advocacy groups. The T and the Q were added simply to increase the amount of potential applicants to gay right advocacy groups. Leech bureaucracies added extra letters simply to expand their organizations and bleed more money from the taxpayer.

I don't think the average gay person would really choose to wear a scarlet letter if LGB advocacy groups weren't so astroturfed. Gay people need to grow up and stop conflating sexual preference as a personality trait. Pride needs to be removed from the LGB movement or it will never be taken seriously.

Okay, maybe I'm confused.
But my point is, the TQ-part is actively harming the whole movement.
If you're gay, I see no reason why you would associate with these people.

Maybe the "LGB"-part is also problematic, I don't know. But I just had a thought and wanted to talk about it.

 

[Secret Boots]

Top hat time.

LGBTQ?
Bravo, you like fucking men in the ass. You like trying to fuck a woman with your vagina. You like being a transvestite. Go burn in hell. You were fffucking born straight; it's instinct, how do you fuck that up?

Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer, whatever the fuck IA and P are, are unnatural and the world would be a better place without them.

 

[ENDTOPII]

The best way to combat this is to reduce the risk factors associated with anal sex, which we have done with condoms and antibiotics. Homosexual behavior is the natural position but just not the safe one so if the behavior does become completely safe what issue do you have with it?

We are wasting a very precious resource on something that could have been avoided by simply not doing something, and it's not a hard thing to do (hehe). That's my issue, faggots are wasting resources and putting unnecessary strains on medical resources. I'm not even talking about economical ones, I'm talking about them destroying methods of saving people.

> inb4 fat people and smokers
Their treatments don't cause as risk for the next patient to not be able to get treatment. Antibiotics becomes less effective (at worst, completly useless) the more you use it and since faggots gets all kinds of infections, they are creating bacterias that have antimicrobial resistance.

When I say faggots (and whores) spread diseases it's not a meme, it's not a joke. They are factually a walking health hazard for our "society" (if you can even call it that...). In a world when antibiotics are becoming more and more useless, we have to be more careful with it, and one option to extend and keep antibiotics available is to get rid of degenerates, and the first ones to got would be the LGBTQ+ community, since they are dead ends anyway.

 

[ExsanguinateHorizon]

Okay, maybe I'm confused.
But my point is, the TQ-part is actively harming the whole movement.
If you're gay, I see no reason why you would associate with these people.

Maybe the "LGB"-part is also problematic, I don't know. But I just had a thought and wanted to talk about it.

There's already LGB groups that have dropped TQ, they're just labeled as hate groups by orgs like JDL or GLAAD, but maybe they'll gain more positive traction as the pushback against troon activism becomes more popular/acceptable
Much of the current state of 'queer' was advocated for and protected by 'allies' as well as powerful figures who wanted a shield to hide behind their activities, ie Epstein and the medical industry, as well as hijacking young people's natural want to be independent and special
Acting as if non-LGB men and women aren't also degenerate is notallmen/women cope and not the topic, but you should have expected that on KF where some of the most outwardly anti-degen people keep getting their ERPs leaked

 

[pollution jim]

why do you do the thing with the multicolored text

Everytime you "try to have a kid", your head "thinks" that a kid will be on its way. But it never happens. Not saying it's not "fun" (it is, that's how "nature fools" you), but you do get sick in the head if you do this for years in and out without becoming a parent. It's worse for women since they think that they are about to have their organs rearrangeed and need to eat more etc... but it never happens. This leads to more degeneracy and unhealthy relationships. For guys it's not as bad since they are not the ones expecing to carry a baby inside their body. But they will with the years also lose the bond and eventually as all couples do with no kids, just break up.

TL;DR
Contraceptives in general is what is causing relationships to fall out. "No baby = something is wrong with partner". Condoms are bad.


That shit is disgusting and gays can not have kids ("adoption" doesn't count btw). This is not relevant.

 

[ENDTOPII]

why do you do the thing with the multicolored text

I color shit because 99% of the internet can't read, so colors can guide them to my point in said text, and then they might read the whole thing for a comprehensive take.

Noticed that users get my point much better (and others that do it too). Less room for misinterpretations and missing/overlooking crucial points in said text.

 

[Whatevermancer]

I just want to know, why should TQ be part of LGB?

Cause people tend to lump them all together into one group knows as "faggots".

 

[popsoda]

but you should have expected that on KF where some of the most outwardly anti-degen people keep getting their ERPs leaked

I didn't expect anything, I just wanted to pick your collective brains about this

Cause people tend to lump them all together into one group knows as "faggots".

Yeah, but then people won't know who you're talking about, specifically. Faggots come in lots of shapes and sizes.
Personally I view gay people as more of a "legitimate" group than the trans/queer "folx". But I understand if you're a starch anti-gay-person you'll view them as two sides of the same coin.

 

[Whatevermancer]

Yeah, but then people won't know who you're talking about, specifically. Faggots come in lots of shapes and sizes.
Personally I view gay people as more of a "legitimate" group than the trans/queer "folx". But I understand if you're a starch anti-gay-person you'll view them as two sides of the same coin.

Well, most of the time people don't care about the particularities of faggotry. If you dress up as a woman, even if you've only had sex with women, you're a faggot anyway. People who tolerate homos, but despise trannies are very few and far between, I think.

 

[popsoda]

Well, most of the time people don't care about the particularities of faggotry. If you dress up as a woman, even if you've only had sex with women, you're a faggot anyway. People who tolerate homos, but despise trannies are very few and far between, I think.

Maybe that's right, personally I don't care if you're gay, it doesn't really affect me (unless you come up and hit on me).
"You do you", as they say.
Trans people on the other hand affect you whether you like it or not. They police you about pronouns and language. On a lot of websites you'll get banned if you're rude to them.
This website is a great example of this, because at least 3 trannies has gone out of their way to try to deplatform it.
I don't know of any gay guy/gal trying to take this site down.

 

[Jive]

People who tolerate homos, but despise trannies are very few and far between, I think.

I don't think that's true. Tolerating gays has been the normal position for a long time in America. Think of how many grandparents went through the free love movement in the 70's. Most Americans over 40 don't care who you sleep with. The push for accepting trannies is extremely new and only has been accepted by a minority of millennials and younger.

Even other gays are having a tough time integrating trannies. There has always been a strange war between drag queens and trannies that will likely never be resolved. Drag queens believe trannies are making a mockery of their hobbie and job while trannies believe drag queens are insulting their personal identity. I know many fags who stand with drag queens I'm that debate because they have more seniority in the movement. Tranny acceptance is really just astroturfed by the media and law while most people honestly think they're weird deviants.

 

[Whatevermancer]

I don't think that's true. Tolerating gays has been the normal position for a long time in America. Think of how many grandparents went through the free love in the 70's. Most Americans over 40 don't care who you sleep with. The push for accepting trannies is extremely new though and only has been accepted by a minority of millennials and younger.

Free love for straight people, maybe. Also, I think the LGBT acceptance stats are inflated due to people not wanting to get into trouble and be labeled as bigots.

There has always been a strange war between drag queens and trannies that will likely never be resolved.

Never heard of that, I thought that a hefty amount of drag queens would troon out eventually anyway. Also, I think most people treat drag queens as trannies. Also, there has been a weird push for drag queen acceptance as well. Drag queen story hour is just as strange as furry story hour would be.

Trans people on the other hand affect you whether you like it or not. They police you about pronouns and language. On a lot of websites you'll get banned if you're rude to them.

True. On the other hand, owners of that one Christian bakery that refused to bake a cake for a gay couple would like a word.

 

[popsoda]

True. On the other hand, owners of that one Christian bakery that refused to bake a cake for a gay couple would like a word.

You've got me there, but still do you think the trans/queer community really fits together with the gay community? I don't. That's what this thread is about.
I get you don't like gay people, but there are levels of faggotry here.