Opinion Let’s Make the US a Welfare Nation

  • ⚙️ Performance issue identified and being addressed.
  • Want to keep track of this thread?
    Accounts can bookmark posts, watch threads for updates, and jump back to where you stopped reading.
    Create account
Link (Archive)

Let’s Make the US a Welfare Nation​

BYMATT BRUENIG

With the new Child Tax Credit, two-thirds of people in the US now receive monthly benefit checks. That’s a very good thing — it means delivering poor, working-class, and middle-class people clear material gains while also destigmatizing the welfare state.
9F7F1519-7E64-4F5C-AD77-B568D24CBBA1.jpeg

Prior to last week, the federal government paid out monthly checks mostly to elderly and disabled people through the Social Security (SS) and Supplemental Security Income (SSI) programs. As of last week, it now pays out monthly checks to about 88 percent of children through the Child Tax Credit (CTC) program.

Using the 2019 CPS ASEC, I estimated what percent of the population now lives in a household with someone who directly receives a monthly check from the federal government. Prior to the new CTC, only 28 percent of the population lived in such a household. Now it is 65 percent.
6EB565B9-C81D-4727-920C-FC6E4CDBC5CA.jpeg

In the run-up to the passage of the new CTC, most of the discussion focused on the fact that the poorest of the poor would be eligible for the new benefit. This was seen as a revolutionary break with old designs and thinking, which typically held that it was both bad policy and bad politics to provide cash benefits to very poor children.

This revolutionary aspect of the new benefit has so far turned out to be a dud. Neither Congress when designing the program nor the IRS when administering the program made a serious effort to get the benefit to the very poor. They are included on paper, but not in reality, and even as I write this now, no one in Congress seems interested in fixes that might help get the benefit to these kids.

But there is another break-with-tradition aspect of the proposal that has gotten less attention. According to the old thinking, people don’t like to receive “welfare” or “handouts” or anything resembling that. Thus it follows that benefits should be administered alongside annual tax refunds so that people either don’t realize they are getting them or mentally categorize them as something different than, say, food stamps.

The new CTC rejects this thinking and opts instead to put a check in every hand every month. Under this kind of administration, people cannot help but see that they are straightforwardly benefiting from the welfare state. And, if the typical social democratic view on this is correct, this kind of high salience will be good for politics and good for attitudes toward the welfare state more generally.

In my view, the big mistake of the old style of thinking was driven by analysts conflating welfare benefits with poor people benefits.

It’s certainly true that if you go out into the world and talk to people about things like food stamps, WIC, free school lunch, Section 8, and even Medicaid to some degree, you will find a lot of people with a lot of negative sentiment toward these programs, even among the poor themselves who in some cases feel embarrassed to be receiving them. From this, it is easy to see how you might conclude that, in general, people don’t really like welfare benefits, not even the people on them, and so stealthy benefits like the old CTC and current EITC are a better way to go.

But the thing these stigmatized benefits have in common is not just that they are welfare benefits. It is also that they are specifically poor people benefits. In our culture, being poor is the same thing as being a loser or a fuck up, and so, of course, the benefits for poor people carry a stigma that people don’t like to be associated with.

“Your mom is on food stamps” works as a taunt because it means she and you are poor. “Your mom gets a monthly child benefit check” doesn’t work as a taunt because it just means she has a kid and because the taunter’s mom also gets one.

If you look closely, you see this dynamic everywhere. Consider, for example, the somewhat absurd, but ultimately quite illuminating, phenomenon of kids being bullied about receiving a free school lunch by other kids who are, at the very moment of bullying, attending a free public school. If benefit receipt itself is what made people feel bad, then all the kids in the free public school would be ashamed that they are even attending it. But they don’t feel that way because the problem is not welfare benefits. The problem is poor people’s benefits.

With the new CTC, we have, for the first time in a long time, a welfare benefit that is being conspicuously administered as a welfare benefit but that is very clearly not a poor people’s benefit. We will see how this all plays out in the coming months, but I would expect it will play out well (even despite the many other problems with the program) and I would hope that these kinds of social democratic approaches become more prevalent as a result.

One area where there is a potential clash between the old and new thinking on this is in the fight over how to design things like paid leave in the upcoming family benefits legislation.

Right now, the likely House plan, which is being proposed by Representative Richard Neal, creates a paid leave system that consists of subsidies for employer-provided paid leave, subsidies for state paid leave, and then a residual federal paid leave benefit only for those not covered by employers or states. This approach, in addition to being needlessly complex, would make the welfare benefit opaque to a large share of the population who would wind up covered by an employer through a subsidized private insurance company plan. Individuals who receive benefits this way would end up thinking the employer is giving them the benefit and struggle to understand that the government is actually doing it. This also runs the risk of turning the residual federal program into a poor people’s program.

On the other side of things, you have policies like the FAMILY Act that would create a single paid leave plan inside the Social Security Administration. This would be a very conspicuous welfare benefit that is not a poor people benefit and, if the social democratic thinking on this is right, would be good for politics and build more solidarity around the welfare state.

Both the Neal plan and the FAMILY Act have other problems, most prominently that they exclude new parents who lack a certain work history. Fixing that problem, just as fixing the fact that the CTC is not, in practice, going to the very poor, should be a priority of the Democrats. But the administrative design matters too and hopefully, when designing the new paid leave program, the Democrats will take seriously the lesson they appear to possibly be learning about what kinds of benefits people like to receive.
 
Call it "social democracy" or whatever calling it welfare nation makes it sound silly.
 
There are many welfare nations out there. Maybe the author should take a second and reflect on why none of them would let her immigrate to them.
 
People on benefits have too many kids, don't have kids you can't support, these types of benefits should be made for those that fall on hard times and should also be other measures to help them out if needed.
 
Of course people (in government and their useful idiots) want to make America a wellfare state, wellfare is literally a mechanism of government control. The government can create a population of submissive dependents unwilling to challenge the government so long as the government gibs them stuff. It destroys motivation and innovation since no one is willing to work hard to get anywhere, they just ask the government to gibs them more stuff.
 
He and his wife claim to be dedicated Christians, yet I doubt any Christian branch except Cathcucks have a positive outlook towards being a parasite and turning everyone into a useless beggar.

1627113221540.png

Nice grift. No wonder he advocates for neetbucks.
 
Or, maybe, we should create economic situations where people don't need welfare. The Left promotes lifestyles that create poverty, then throw people a check and say, "See, we're helping! We care!". No, it's about control. If you make people dependent on the government, they will keep you in power to keep up their dependency.
 
Or, maybe, we should create economic situations where people don't need welfare. The Left promotes lifestyles that create poverty, then throw people a check and say, "See, we're helping! We care!". No, it's about control. If you make people dependent on the government, they will keep you in power to keep up their dependency.

Welfare programs were used to devastate the black family unit.

You have gods poor "women and children" and the devils poor "men"

I m gonna say something that kinda goes against the ethos of the farms here

But the greatest resource a civilization has is it people having a bunch of unhealthy poorly educated population is just not gonna work so I would support the state "investing" in its people...

One of the first things that should happen is that the state should clamp down on 'economic exploitation" of young people like say ending goverment back none discharable student loans.

Have worker protections that basically say you have to justify requiring a degree.

Same with reforming health care

housing I can speak to this, there needs to be more than just "single family homes" have a diverse group of organization run different types of housing for different use cases. like housing for young people, housing for the elderly, and all types.

of course if you ve seen my post in the joe biden threat about dealing with a tenant and the local housing authority you see that my experienced reality is that the government is stupid and corrupt.
 
Single question, who would pay for it? Other "welfare countries" have (or at least had) a big core of educated, healthy, working people that gives the country more than they take.
This population in the USA is on the drop and raising taxes will eventually cause them to move to greener pastures.
 
Middle class people dont NEED more money. All this is going to do is either increase their savings account at taxpayer expense or cause them to spend more money on frivolous things because they have basic necessity cared for. If you are well off, you can be personally responsible
 
It will never work in the USA because of one fundemental flaw found in both the right wingers and left wingers: Individualism. There’s also the fact that the USA is multi cultural, and as such there is no social cohesion.

Whether it’s American patriotism or its identity politics, Burgers are too individualist for this kind of socio-economical system. Unlike random European countries that have much smaller population numbers, the USA is too big to allow this kind of system to work in the long run.

You can either have a multi cultural, individualistic, capitalistic society that breeds IdPol or you can have a monocultural, socialist ethnostate. You can’t have it both ways.
 
It will never work in the USA because of one fundemental flaw found in both the right wingers and left wingers: Individualism. There’s also the fact that the USA is multi cultural, and as such there is no social cohesion.

Whether it’s American patriotism or its identity politics, Burgers are too individualist for this kind of socio-economical system. Unlike random European countries that have much smaller population numbers, the USA is too big to allow this kind of system to work in the long run.

You can either have a multi cultural, individualistic, capitalistic society that breeds IdPol or you can have a monocultural, socialist ethnostate. You can’t have it both ways.
Have you heard of the UK? it's a welfare state and it has multiculturalism and idpol. It breeds an underclass that's allergic to work and social law. see the chavs fighting asda workers thread.
 
Have you heard of the UK? it's a welfare state and it has multiculturalism and idpol. It breeds an underclass that's allergic to work and social law. see the chavs fighting asda workers thread.
I’ll be honest and say that I haven’t looked much into the UK’s welfare state… but it looks like an absolute disaster zone that no one should want to emulate. If anything, it’s proof that it’s an absolute failure.
 
I’ll be honest and say that I haven’t looked much into the UK’s welfare state… but it looks like an absolute disaster zone that no one should want to emulate. If anything, it’s proof that it’s an absolute failure.
like every welfare state, the people who need it don't get much and the people who game it get everything. NEETs came to be in the UK because they don't have to work or do anything. One of the lolyer cows that harasses the farms is a welfare rat.
 
It's a good thing to be a drain on society

Everything would be perfect if everyone were a net minus no pluses
 
If you look closely, you see this dynamic everywhere. Consider, for example, the somewhat absurd, but ultimately quite illuminating, phenomenon of kids being bullied about receiving a free school lunch by other kids who are, at the very moment of bullying, attending a free public school.
I want to start by saying that of all the reasons you can bully your fellow kids them getting food is kind of the weakest reason.

Following that:

No, it is not a free lunch and no that is not a free school. That school is paid for by property taxes and federal taxes.

People agreed to pay for those schools because every child should receive an education. The schools have broken the deal and imho people should really do something about the fact that they are paying for something that does not work.
But the thing these stigmatized benefits have in common is not just that they are welfare benefits. It is also that they are specifically poor people benefits. In our culture, being poor is the same thing as being a loser or a fuck up, and so, of course, the benefits for poor people carry a stigma that people don’t like to be associated with.
Those benefits are a tar pit for a lot of people and that has been documented by a few people over the years. They are supposed to be a cushion not a net. Nets trap things.

Also, yeah sorry, if you could be doing more to increase your income and choose to do nothing and remain below the poverty line: You are a loser.

We used to aspire to things. People used to be encouraged to progress now people are encouraged to take your government hand out and hit the dispensary so you can numb out the misery.
This revolutionary aspect of the new benefit has so far turned out to be a dud. Neither Congress when designing the program nor the IRS when administering the program made a serious effort to get the benefit to the very poor.
Hmmm...Why would a child TAX credit fail to benefit the very poor who often already pay no federal tax?

Real thunker right?
He and his wife claim to be dedicated Christians, yet I doubt any Christian branch except Cathcucks have a positive outlook towards being a parasite and turning everyone into a useless beggar.

View attachment 2375378
Nice grift. No wonder he advocates for neetbucks.
82k a year to tell people how poor people should get more. What a nice guy.

Of course he is creating a think tank. He is definitely a deep thinker. Septic tank deep.
 
Back
Top Bottom