Science Let's Declare a Pandemic Amnesty - [LOL] We need to forgive one another for what we did and said when we were in the dark about COVID.

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In April 2020, with nothing else to do, my family took an enormous number of hikes. We all wore cloth masks that I had made myself. We had a family hand signal, which the person in the front would use if someone was approaching on the trail and we needed to put on our masks. Once, when another child got too close to my then-4-year-old son on a bridge, he yelled at her “SOCIAL DISTANCING!”

These precautions were totally misguided. In April 2020, no one got the coronavirus from passing someone else hiking. Outdoor transmission was vanishingly rare. Our cloth masks made out of old bandanas wouldn’t have done anything, anyway. But the thing is: We didn’t know.

I have been reflecting on this lack of knowledge thanks to a class I’m co-teaching at Brown University on COVID. We’ve spent several lectures reliving the first year of the pandemic, discussing the many important choices we had to make under conditions of tremendous uncertainty.

Some of these choices turned out better than others. To take an example close to my own work, there is an emerging (if not universal) consensus that schools in the U.S. were closed for too long: The health risks of in-school spread were relatively low, whereas the costs to students’ well-being and educational progress were high. The latest figures on learning loss are alarming. But in spring and summer 2020, we had only glimmers of information. Reasonable people—people who cared about children and teachers—advocated on both sides of the reopening debate.

Another example: When the vaccines came out, we lacked definitive data on the relative efficacies of the Johnson & Johnson shot versus the mRNA options from Pfizer and Moderna. The mRNA vaccines have won out. But at the time, many people in public health were either neutral or expressed a J&J preference. This misstep wasn’t nefarious. It was the result of uncertainty.

Obviously some people intended to mislead and made wildly irresponsible claims. Remember when the public-health community had to spend a lot of time and resources urging Americans not to inject themselves with bleach? That was bad. Misinformation was, and remains, a huge problem. But most errors were made by people who were working in earnest for the good of society.

Given the amount of uncertainty, almost every position was taken on every topic. And on every topic, someone was eventually proved right, and someone else was proved wrong. In some instances, the right people were right for the wrong reasons. In other instances, they had a prescient understanding of the available information.

The people who got it right, for whatever reason, may want to gloat. Those who got it wrong, for whatever reason, may feel defensive and retrench into a position that doesn’t accord with the facts. All of this gloating and defensiveness continues to gobble up a lot of social energy and to drive the culture wars, especially on the internet. These discussions are heated, unpleasant and, ultimately, unproductive. In the face of so much uncertainty, getting something right had a hefty element of luck. And, similarly, getting something wrong wasn’t a moral failing. Treating pandemic choices as a scorecard on which some people racked up more points than others is preventing us from moving forward.

We have to put these fights aside and declare a pandemic amnesty. We can leave out the willful purveyors of actual misinformation while forgiving the hard calls that people had no choice but to make with imperfect knowledge. Los Angeles County closed its beaches in summer 2020. Ex post facto, this makes no more sense than my family’s masked hiking trips. But we need to learn from our mistakes and then let them go. We need to forgive the attacks, too. Because I thought schools should reopen and argued that kids as a group were not at high risk, I was called a “teacher killer” and a “génocidaire.” It wasn’t pleasant, but feelings were high. And I certainly don’t need to dissect and rehash that time for the rest of my days.

Moving on is crucial now, because the pandemic created many problems that we still need to solve.

Student test scores have shown historic declines, more so in math than in reading, and more so for students who were disadvantaged at the start. We need to collect data, experiment, and invest. Is high-dosage tutoring more or less cost-effective than extended school years? Why have some states recovered faster than others? We should focus on questions like these, because answering them is how we will help our children recover.

Many people have neglected their health care over the past several years. Notably, routine vaccination rates for children (for measles, pertussis, etc.) are way down. Rather than debating the role that messaging about COVID vaccines had in this decline, we need to put all our energy into bringing these rates back up. Pediatricians and public-health officials will need to work together on community outreach, and politicians will need to consider school mandates.

The standard saying is that those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. But dwelling on the mistakes of history can lead to a repetitive doom loop as well. Let’s acknowledge that we made complicated choices in the face of deep uncertainty, and then try to work together to build back and move forward.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/10/covid-response-forgiveness/671879/ (Archive)
 
But the thing is: We didn’t know.
This is from an over reliance on "professionals" and replacing religion with science (and thus replacing priestly robes with white lab coats). Despite having unknowns, we advanced enough for the commoner to have a devent idea of germ theory; wash your hands, don't put your fingers in your eyes/ears/mouths, cover your mouth when coughing, etc. That's about as much as you can ask for your commoner to do (and responsible people do anyway).

What you don't do is declare an extinction event and demonize everyone who doesn't go along with your charade. Especially if you're incapable of stopping the spread of information like dancing nurses, the complete annihilation of the common annual flu, non-existant medical testing, and trying to obscure the data for 80 years or whatever it was. Anyone with two functioning brain cells should be able to tell that something fucky was going on; but instead of having a legitimate discussion to allay fears, you wish death on them for non-compliance.

That being said, I'm all for an amnesty. Now that we're on better terms, you can turn your back to me and stop pretending I'm an enemy... ... ... And please ignore the soon to be stabbing pain you feel in your back.
 
Nah, I don't think so. I'm never going to forget what people did, no matter how much they want us to.

Real harm was caused to society and what we deserve is justice, not a request for us to forgive and forget so they can do it again.
 
These cocksuckers called me a Nazi grandma killer for simply asserting my most fundamental civil rights and demanded I be forcibly detained in my home, lose my job, and be vaccinated against my will, but now I'm supposed to forgive and forget.
 
How about no. You showed your true colors and forced people, billions, to take an untested drug that fucked people up more than covid would have ever done. I'm never taking your vaccine and have more distrust in medicine than ever before. I'm not alone either. The damaged done to people's trust is enormous and will cause a lot of damage.

Fuck you. Burn, roast, and rot in hell with Judas, Caesar, and Satan.

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And they did this all in the name of profit and control. Kiss my whole asshole.

And the Atlantic is run my Steve Jobs widow. and she's been seen in photos being cosy next to Epstein's right hand woman. I'm not black pilled enough to call them pure evil. Theyre pretty close to being. But on a bad day, I might.
 
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But the thing is: We didn’t know.
This would be a fair fucking point if you had cut the crap after Month 2 when it was becoming painfully obvious that COVID was nowhere near as deadly as the Chicoms wanted us to think it was.
But no, you carried that shit on and on and now into Year 2 you want us all to forget? Fuck off.
 
Please don't hold us responsible for all the evil we perpetrated against you and the irreversible harm we helped inflict on millions of innocent children.

The people who got it right, for whatever reason, may want to gloat. Those who got it wrong, for whatever reason, may feel defensive and retrench into a position that doesn’t accord with the facts..
You laughed when people were arrested for not wanting to remain prisoners in their own home as their businesses collapsed. You blamed the dead when they would not take a vaccine that we now know does not stop transmission and almost certainly does nothing to lessen symptoms but very likely causes serious health issues.

You said the science was settled. You called anyone who questioned anything a denier or nazi or murderer.
We have to put these fights aside and declare a pandemic amnesty.
I have a better idea: How about you are held personally responsible for your words and actions?

The fucking audacity of these cunts knows no fucking limit.
 
No, I don't think I will.

I'll never forget being told "the science is settled". That's not how science works. People have wished death on me, called me stupid and thoughtless - when it was them that were being exactly that.

No refunds cunts.
 
Obviously some people intended to mislead and made wildly irresponsible claims. Remember when the public-health community had to spend a lot of time and resources urging Americans not to inject themselves with bleach? That was bad. Misinformation was, and remains, a huge problem.

Fuck off you bootlicking cocksucking whore, we all know this is a poorly veiled reference to Trump who said no such thing, but you couldn't help yourself.

There are several that gloated and coomed all over this website whenever someone who refused to get the jab died, and no, I'm not referring to the hospital janitor.
 
It is not in my nature to forgive, nor to forget.

Anyone who treated me badly is on my List.

They are going to stay there.
 
Fuck off you bootlicking cocksucking whore, we all know this is a poorly veiled reference to Trump who said no such thing, but you couldn't help yourself.
That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it IT WAS ACTUALLY ORANGE MAN'S FAULT.
 
Just really making it this blatant, huh?
I wonder if this comment section would have looked like this even a week ago.
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I'm invoking the playground fight maxim: The first kid to say everyone should stop throwing stuff was the first one to run out of ammo.
 
"I have been reflecting on this lack of knowledge thanks to a class I’m co-teaching at Brown University on COVID."
Oh it's that old gem. 'I was part of the mob and now I can profit from lectures on why mob violence is bad'
 
They always want forgiveness just when it becomes "Heads on Pikes" time.
And I will bet you my life's savings that this same cunt is advocating for anyone even tangentially related to the January 6th riot to be drawn and quartered and their heads mounted on pikes outside the capitol.

Forgiveness for me, death to my enemies.
 
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