EU Le Gilets Jaune protests thread - Do you hear the people sing? Singing the songs of angry men?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46233560

One protester has died and dozens were injured as almost a quarter of a million people took to the streets of France, angry at rising fuel prices.

The female protester who died was struck after a driver surrounded by demonstrators panicked and accelerated.

The "yellow vests", so-called after the high-visibility jackets they are required to carry in their cars, blocked motorways and roundabouts.

They accuse President Emmanuel Macron of abandoning "the little people".

Mr Macron has not so far commented on the protests, some of which have seen demonstrators call for him to resign.

But he admitted earlier in the week that he had not "really managed to reconcile the French people with their leaders".

Nonetheless, he accused his political opponents of hijacking the movement in order to block his reform programme.

What has happened so far?
Some 244,000 people took part in protests across France, the interior ministry said in its latest update.

It said 106 people were injured during the day, five seriously, with 52 people arrested.

Most of the protests have been taking place without incident although several of the injuries came when drivers tried to force their way through protesters.

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Image captionA driver forces a car through a group of protesters in Donges, western France
Chantal Mazet, 63, was killed in the south-eastern Savoy region when a driver who was taking her daughter to hospital panicked at being blocked by about 50 demonstrators, who were striking the roof of her vehicle, and drove into them.

The driver has been taken into police custody in a state of shock.

In Paris protesters approaching the Élysée Palace, the president's official residence, were repelled with tear gas.

Why are drivers on the warpath?
The price of diesel, the most commonly used fuel in French cars, has risen by around 23% over the past 12 months to an average of €1.51 (£1.32; $1.71) per litre, its highest point since the early 2000s, AFP news agency reports.

World oil prices did rise before falling back again but the Macron government raised its hydrocarbon tax this year by 7.6 cents per litre on diesel and 3.9 cents on petrol, as part of a campaign for cleaner cars and fuel.

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Image captionTear gas was used to disperse protesters in Paris
The decision to impose a further increase of 6.5 cents on diesel and 2.9 cents on petrol on 1 January 2019 was seen as the final straw.

Speaking on Wednesday, the president blamed world oil prices for three-quarters of the price rise. He also said more tax on fossil fuels was needed to fund renewable energy investments.

How big is the movement?
It has broad support. Nearly three-quarters of respondents to a poll by the Elabe institute backed the Yellow Vests and 70% wanted the government to reverse the fuel tax hikes.

More than half of French people who voted for Mr Macron support the protests, Elabe's Vincent Thibault told AFP.

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Image captionPolice attend as protesters block a motorway in Antibes
"The expectations and discontent over spending power are fairly broad, it's not just something that concerns rural France or the lower classes," he said.

The BBC's Lucy Williamson in Paris says the movement has grown via social media into a broad and public criticism of Mr Macron's economic policies.

Are opposition politicians involved?
They have certainly tried to tap into it. Far-right leader Marine Le Pen, who was defeated by Mr Macron in the second round of the presidential election, has been encouraging it on Twitter.

She said: "The government shouldn't be afraid of French people who come to express their revolt and do it in a peaceful fashion."

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Laurent Wauquiez, leader of the centre-right Republicans, called on the Macron government to scrap the next planned increase in carbon tax on fossil fuels in January to offset rising vehicle fuel prices.

Mr Castaner has described Saturday's action as a "political protest with the Republicans behind it".

Olivier Faure, leader of the left-wing Socialist Party said the movement - which has no single leader and is not linked to any trade union - had been "born outside political parties".

"People want politicians to listen to them and respond. Their demand is to have purchasing power and financial justice," he said.

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Is there any room for compromise?
On Wednesday, the government announced action to help poor families pay their energy and transport bills.

Prime Minister Edouard Philippe announced that 5.6 million households would receive energy subsidies. Currently 3.6 million receive them.

A state scrappage bonus on polluting vehicles would also be doubled for France's poorest families, he said, and fuel tax credits would be brought in for people who depend on their cars for work.

Protesters have mocked the president relentlessly as "Micron" or "Macaron" (Macaroon) or simply Manu, the short form of Emmanuel, which he famously scolded a student for using.

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To be honest, I don't blame the driver at all.
 

I'm pretty high right now so deep sociopolitical thought isn't what you'd be getting, but if they're successful or if they get close but don't "win," does that inspire similar movements in other EU countries? Is it safe to say we're now watching the collapse of not just the EU, but also the ideas behind it? I know there's a few countries that are outright disobeying the rules currently. And if the the EU falls that's going to have effects on the world's financial markets, but that's a subject I don't know much about.
 
Just a reminder to non-Frenchies, Macron's "insane" popularity was a myth from the start. He snuck into the general election when the main left wing party was in government and deeply unpopular and the main right wing party's candidate had a big scandal. That left him and a far right candidate as the only two in the general election. He has only ever had a small base of support.
 
Remember how back in 2017 Macron was hyped as the prophesied savior of Globalist Neoliberalism? That aged real well didn't it.
Only thing to do now is watch the flames and read the inevitable "Its all Putin's fault! This is an attack on Democracy!" pieces by the media.
 
You know I didn't realize this until today, but the timing of this whole movement throws another wrench into the media's "it's just a gas tax riot" narrative. I admit it's an exercise in "Correlation does not imply causation" but hear me out. This past Saturday was the 9th straight weekend the populace has protested/rioted. Now count back from that to week 1 which was November 17, 2018 -- a Saturday. What other big event happened that week in France? Why Armistice Day (Veterans Day for Americans) on Sunday the 11th of course. And this was a special occasion for it was not only Armistice Day, but the 100th anniversary of it; the 100th anniversary of anything tends to get a lot of attention.

And what happened on the 100th anniversary ceremony for World War 1's end? Macron essentially shit all over the memory of those men who died in the trenches, and French sovereignty. Virtue signaling for globalism took precedent over honoring and respecting the memory of men who died in a struggle caused by elitist pricks not so different from the ones we see today in Brussels and the EU.

"Patriotism is the exact opposite of nationalism. Nationalism is a betrayal of patriotism." Emmanuel Macron -- November 11, 2018

6 days later the Yellow Vest movement took off. I think that ceremony and his comments pissed people off so much that what really would have been a simple "it's just a gas tax" protest turned into this huge flashpoint against the EU and globalism.
 
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And what happened on the 100th anniversary ceremony for World War 1's end? Macron essentially shit all over the memory of those men who died in the trenches, and French sovereignty. Virtue signaling for globalism took precedent over honoring and respecting the memory of men who died in a struggle caused by elitist pricks not so different from the ones in Brussels and the EU.

It's not like having complex webs of alliances, military-industrial complexes and unelected councils deciding policy caused the war or anything.
 
It's not like having complex webs of alliances, military-industrial complexes and unelected councils deciding policy caused the war or anything.

The war was probably going to happen. If a US Senator were murdered while visiting Mexico with the co-operation of Mexican security, there would be tanks driving South before the next morning. It was the network of alliances which made a local crisis a global crisis.
 
Long way of saying "Eat the damn cake you peasants."

Let me whip out my time machine and provide the tl;dr version:

"EU good, nationalism bad" t. Emmanuel Macron, March 16 2019

Yeah, he still has no intention of actually changing course, he thinks he can just wait it out, toss a few more crumbs their way, and slip his “reforms” through with a silent and complicit media. Fuck him, he deserves to fail.
 
I know that I really shouldn't get excited, but this seems like it's the closest we've been to a full blown happening in a long time.
 
I know that I really shouldn't get excited, but this seems like it's the closest we've been to a full blown happening in a long time.
The last organised mass protests in Europe and the US were the Occupy movement and the protests against the ACTA and SOPA bills, all back in 2011 and '12.
 
So what Macron is saying is that he hasn't been listening to the French people, but he promises he'll start soon?

"Please write down a list of your demands, and they will be ignored in order in a timely fashion"

Sounds like he's still banking on the "They'll get bored soon enough, when does the next Netflix series start? All I have to do is hold out till then"

Globalists, no matter how hard they try, they can't help but see large groups of people as market segments, or demographics to a TV show, the idea they are your fellow citizens just doesn't register.... if they don't sit at the big board room table with you, they're not much more than sheep.
 
Globalists, no matter how hard they try, they can't help but see large groups of people as market segments, or demographics to a TV show, the idea they are your fellow citizens just doesn't register.... if they don't sit at the big board room table with you, they're not much more than sheep.
That was the downfall of the elite every time there was a revolution. They stopped seeing the peasants as humans and just as peasants and once you dehumanize a group in your mind, you justify all the shit you do as something they can take; after all, they're just peasants. Then when they revolt, it's just a passing thing. They'll calm down eventually and whoops, they stormed an armory and released prisoners.

Oh, then a revolution happens in full and it's off with your head if you didn't smell the wind blowing and ran in time.
 
For someone who doesn't follow frog politics at all I have heard it said that "this could be the fall of of the fifth republic", so what does that entail? I know the fifth republic is the constitutional gov't they currently live under, so...the end of democracy there, a referendum on a new type of gov't, all of the above?
 
For someone who doesn't follow frog politics at all I have heard it said that "this could be the fall of of the fifth republic", so what does that entail? I know the fifth republic is the constitutional gov't they currently live under, so...the end of democracy there, a referendum on a new type of gov't, all of the above?
Well after WW2 was done and over, France returned to it's government in the form of the Fourth Republic which was just the Third Republic, version 2 After War Boogaloo and it was as powerless and weak as it was before the war. So the Fourth Republic "ended" with de Gaulle leading the country through the transition and reforms and the Firth Republic we know today came about with them. It's not hard to say that a Sixth Republic can't come about the same way, or a Third Empire even but that's a far-fetched thing to happen these days.

Really, the most likely thing to happen is that either Macron resigns and whatever comes, comes next, or he bows to the GJ. I don't see these protests going away without a fight.
 
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For someone who doesn't follow frog politics at all I have heard it said that "this could be the fall of of the fifth republic", so what does that entail? I know the fifth republic is the constitutional gov't they currently live under, so...the end of democracy there, a referendum on a new type of gov't, all of the above?
there's growing support for direct democracy, similar to what the swiss have
 
Oh look, macron deployed tear gas from helicopters. This will cause people to quiet down, surely.

https://twitter.com/BasedPoland/status/1084502204608860163
I'd pay good money to know what the fuck Macron is thinking doing this. These protesters have had riot police beat them, shoot at them with rubber bullets, and chuck countless tear gas canisters at them already. Does he really think this is going to make the difference and make all of them go home? If not, does he realize the laughably bad optics of this? What the fuck is his actual plan? Does he still think that the plebs are just one more iPhone version, one more pop song away from being distracted?
 
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