EU Le Gilets Jaune protests thread - Do you hear the people sing? Singing the songs of angry men?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46233560

One protester has died and dozens were injured as almost a quarter of a million people took to the streets of France, angry at rising fuel prices.

The female protester who died was struck after a driver surrounded by demonstrators panicked and accelerated.

The "yellow vests", so-called after the high-visibility jackets they are required to carry in their cars, blocked motorways and roundabouts.

They accuse President Emmanuel Macron of abandoning "the little people".

Mr Macron has not so far commented on the protests, some of which have seen demonstrators call for him to resign.

But he admitted earlier in the week that he had not "really managed to reconcile the French people with their leaders".

Nonetheless, he accused his political opponents of hijacking the movement in order to block his reform programme.

What has happened so far?
Some 244,000 people took part in protests across France, the interior ministry said in its latest update.

It said 106 people were injured during the day, five seriously, with 52 people arrested.

Most of the protests have been taking place without incident although several of the injuries came when drivers tried to force their way through protesters.

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Image captionA driver forces a car through a group of protesters in Donges, western France
Chantal Mazet, 63, was killed in the south-eastern Savoy region when a driver who was taking her daughter to hospital panicked at being blocked by about 50 demonstrators, who were striking the roof of her vehicle, and drove into them.

The driver has been taken into police custody in a state of shock.

In Paris protesters approaching the Élysée Palace, the president's official residence, were repelled with tear gas.

Why are drivers on the warpath?
The price of diesel, the most commonly used fuel in French cars, has risen by around 23% over the past 12 months to an average of €1.51 (£1.32; $1.71) per litre, its highest point since the early 2000s, AFP news agency reports.

World oil prices did rise before falling back again but the Macron government raised its hydrocarbon tax this year by 7.6 cents per litre on diesel and 3.9 cents on petrol, as part of a campaign for cleaner cars and fuel.

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Image captionTear gas was used to disperse protesters in Paris
The decision to impose a further increase of 6.5 cents on diesel and 2.9 cents on petrol on 1 January 2019 was seen as the final straw.

Speaking on Wednesday, the president blamed world oil prices for three-quarters of the price rise. He also said more tax on fossil fuels was needed to fund renewable energy investments.

How big is the movement?
It has broad support. Nearly three-quarters of respondents to a poll by the Elabe institute backed the Yellow Vests and 70% wanted the government to reverse the fuel tax hikes.

More than half of French people who voted for Mr Macron support the protests, Elabe's Vincent Thibault told AFP.

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Image captionPolice attend as protesters block a motorway in Antibes
"The expectations and discontent over spending power are fairly broad, it's not just something that concerns rural France or the lower classes," he said.

The BBC's Lucy Williamson in Paris says the movement has grown via social media into a broad and public criticism of Mr Macron's economic policies.

Are opposition politicians involved?
They have certainly tried to tap into it. Far-right leader Marine Le Pen, who was defeated by Mr Macron in the second round of the presidential election, has been encouraging it on Twitter.

She said: "The government shouldn't be afraid of French people who come to express their revolt and do it in a peaceful fashion."

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Laurent Wauquiez, leader of the centre-right Republicans, called on the Macron government to scrap the next planned increase in carbon tax on fossil fuels in January to offset rising vehicle fuel prices.

Mr Castaner has described Saturday's action as a "political protest with the Republicans behind it".

Olivier Faure, leader of the left-wing Socialist Party said the movement - which has no single leader and is not linked to any trade union - had been "born outside political parties".

"People want politicians to listen to them and respond. Their demand is to have purchasing power and financial justice," he said.

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Is there any room for compromise?
On Wednesday, the government announced action to help poor families pay their energy and transport bills.

Prime Minister Edouard Philippe announced that 5.6 million households would receive energy subsidies. Currently 3.6 million receive them.

A state scrappage bonus on polluting vehicles would also be doubled for France's poorest families, he said, and fuel tax credits would be brought in for people who depend on their cars for work.

Protesters have mocked the president relentlessly as "Micron" or "Macaron" (Macaroon) or simply Manu, the short form of Emmanuel, which he famously scolded a student for using.

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To be honest, I don't blame the driver at all.
 
Yes, that is a member of the Compagnies Républicaines de Sécurité wearing the typical side cap. Why they wouldn't wear the riot protection helmet, I don't know, but I have seen scenes from the American riot police doing the same and putting them on later when the situation got more aggravating.

Aside from that, the French riot squad helmet is awesome. It has two visors and the inner one possesses a finish so the face can't be seen from the outside.
Because the theory is if protesters can see your face they're less likely to start violently attacking you since a riot helmet with a faceshield obscuring your face dehumanizes you to them.
 
I don't think the French army is gonna shoot their people. Doesn't seem likely.
Seeing as how even the army is getting tired of macrons shit, i doubt they would willingly support him if things got bad
 
Because the theory is if protesters can see your face they're less likely to start violently attacking you since a riot helmet with a faceshield obscuring your face dehumanizes you to them.
What kind of idiot had that theory? if im pissed and about to riot, you think i will not riot because i pitty the small female policewoman?

you want them to look scary to stop normal people from rioting. you cant stop the extremists anyway.
 
What kind of idiot had that theory? if im pissed and about to riot, you think i will not riot because i pitty the small female policewoman?

you want them to look scary to stop normal people from rioting. you cant stop the extremists anyway.
People can empathise with a stone or a tree if it has a pattern resembling a face, it's not really far fetched.
 
People can empathise with a stone or a tree if it has a pattern resembling a face, it's not really far fetched.
if feel terrible for my basement vacuum everytime i use it. the poor thing is old, i visit it once or twice a year and only gets spider and realy nasty dust to eat. and it has no face...

but that doesnt mean that i would empathise with it while enraged. the only clever reason would be empathy from teh TV viewers, but they care more about the young male who bring the action. old men feels young and females feel wet when seeing a street fighting man...
 
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A lot of hot takes flowing out there, people can't believe a variety of people from left to right to everything else are actually dissatisfied with the status quo in their nation, those who have supported the policies that have led to these protests will blame every villain they can find - Putin, Wikileaks, etc. to hide their own culpability.

Malcolm Nance is one of the biggest Russiagate grifters, selling Russophobia to an audience willing to believe that Putin is the mastermind behind every ill in the world, and unlike an obvious loon like Louise Mensch he regularly appears on MSNBC, is cited as an "authority" on the perfidious Russian menace and is taken seriously, even as he accuses his critics of being agents of "Trump and Putin".

Those pesky Russians. Don't get me wrong, the whole 'you won't see this on MSM!' posts on facebook regarding the protests is a bit RT. But I know the types to push this narrative, the same types that boast about not watching 'MSM', and thus missing the past few weeks of coverage. Even the most liberal will break under high fuel taxes.
 
Showing restraint in the face of tyranny is the same as surrendering and so those preaching it are in effect collaborating.

Why protest then? Get straight to the civil war and lynching of the elite class. Like if you're going to go all in you might as well go all in.
 
France has hundreds of generals, one of them not liking Macron isn't significant.
People keep saying that the military would support the gilets jeunes, but they also said the same thing about the police

Macron is a shitheel globalist. Nothing about him inspires any kind of leadership or loyalty. In a SHTF moment, Macron is going to be fucked.
 
Why protest then? Get straight to the civil war and lynching of the elite class. Like if you're going to go all in you might as well go all in.

Most people aren't so eager to lay down their lives for some noble ideal.

As for "going all in", one can argue that the French riots are far from it. I mean we have had our "revolution" only on Saturdays, and the rest of the week is fine (give or take a couple of specific strikes by paramedics or schools).
If anything, after a month of this whole Yellow Vest movement, it seems to me that it has devolved into just a family-friendly weekend activity, like "ready the kids Jeannine, I'll bring the car around. Lets go to Paris and protest". And now that it's Christmas time and the fuel tax has been cancelled, it will most likely die out soon enough.

And speaking in general, France is a country of strikes. It's really a national pastime at this point. For you, the French riots are the most important protests of the year. But for us, it was Monday.
(Quite literally, took the following pics during my work lunch break).
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Edit: To be honest, it was pretty fun to follow and join in on these riots. And given the right leaders, it could've perhaps amounted to something beyond the scraping of the fuel tax. Sadly, the movement was ultimately very chaotic, and they lost their momentum around Act 4. Oh well, better luck next time.

In the meantime, enjoy "Do You Hear the People Sing?" in it's OG French version. https://youtu.be/_G95vcrzAGk
 
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Had this sent to me. Shows some government building getting a thick coat of liquid shit. Second guy dumps a load of drier shit on the front steps.
 
Why protest then? Get straight to the civil war and lynching of the elite class. Like if you're going to go all in you might as well go all in.
It's called escalation until you get what you want.

In East Germany, Poland and the Philippines it took peaceful protests to win.

In Serbia, Tunisia and Argentina took violent protests to affect their goals

In Romania and Egypt it took the Military taking the side of the people to win.

In Croatia and Libya it took full blown civil war to win.

It's up to how far the people and Macaroni want to go.

Unrealistic. Vlad would be knitting those vests shirtless and with a needle made out of chiseled bone from a grizzly he killed with his bare hands.
No worst yet he's using a sewing machine that is the source of red mercury which is the key to making nuclear bombs for terrorists without access to enriching machines.
 
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The irony is that the Russian media is shilling against this hard because Putin is 100% worried that the same shit will happen in Russia.

I can't find it online but there was a Rossiya 24 (think Fox if owned by Putin) programme with the host literally raging about how this was the CIA's doing to get rid of Macron because he wants an EU army.
 
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