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And considering how corrupt the industry is along with the fact that the South Korean government are actually enablers despite the horrid shit that does happen in the K-Pop industry shut reinforces my beleif of why K-Pop in general is just total shit anyway.

I don't really see it any different that the entertainment industries in any country really. Rich companies, powerful people, government connections. You see stage moms and dads in America trading off their kids in return for money and fame. The only difference here is that the management companies act as a middleman. Maybe people just thought that somehow South Korea was different for some reason, that they came into K-Pop thinking everyone was nice and good, when they have the same horror stories as Hollywood and the American music industry. No matter where you go, there you are.

Maybe it was the difference in imagery that gave them that impression in the first place.

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But the key thing thats different is the stan culture. Most smaller companies in South Korea probably couldn't survive without the money stans bring in.
 
Sweet Jesus, it's Willy Wonka's golden tickets. I can just see Verruca Salt with her factory of people unwrapping thousands of K-Pop CDs, bitching at her dad because she wants to meet BTS now.

The difference is that the group members themselves get none of the money. It's all taken by the record labels/management companies. Essentially, the Kpop idols are slaves.

Recently, two different A-list idols killed themselves within weeks of each other. Sulli from f(x) and Goo Hara from Kara. They were both in their twenties. Could the realization that they wasted their youths have anything to do with it?
 
Recently, two different A-list idols killed themselves within weeks of each other. Sulli from f(x) and Goo Hara from Kara. They were both in their twenties. Could the realization that they wasted their youths have anything to do with it?

According to the rumors for both parties it's linked to a sex tape. Since in SK a sex tape is a career ender. Unlike the US where it's a career starter.

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That said there are issues with mental health being ignored in Asia largely because it's a profit loss. If everyone else can work and you can't, you must be just weak. The most famous case being Kim Jong-hyun from SHinee

Kim Jong-hyun (April 8, 1990[1] – December 18, 2017),[2] better known mononymously as Jonghyun, was a South Korean singer-songwriter, record producer, radio host, and author under the SM Entertainment label. Jonghyun remained musically active as main vocalist of Shinee and as a solo artist until his death on December 18, 2017, when he committed suicide by carbon monoxide poisoning.[11]

Jonghyun's death was linked to depression by various media outlets.[107][60] Following Jonghyun's death, fellow singer and friend Nine9, of the band Dear Cloud, posted on Instagram Jonghyun's suicide note which he had sent to her two or three days before his December 9 concert.[108][109] The note referred to a "devouring" depression and his struggles with fame.[108] Nine9 was alarmed by the note and was advised by her agency to keep in touch with Jonghyun.[108] She had tried to help him, but this only "delayed his passing" and "did not prevent it".[110]
 
A lot of kpop fans don't really understand what Korean culture is actually like. They see their idols and watch some k-dramas and think every Korean dude is going to be sensitive and the perfect boyfriend. They are actually pretty misogynistic. Sexual harassment in the workplace is a real issue. The secretly filming sex and sharing the tapes thing happens a lot, too. Plus, once a woman hits 30, she's considered old. If you haven't snagged a man by then, you're in real danger of ending up a spinster.

Add in the fact that they have very strict beauty standards (weight needs to be under 50kg, the whiter the skin the better, plastic surgery capital of the world, etc.) -- it is not the utopia that most k-pop fans think. But there are quite a few of them who actually move to Korea thinking that it is. Nearly all of them fantasize about moving there.
 
A lot of kpop fans don't really understand what Korean culture is actually like. They see their idols and watch some k-dramas and think every Korean dude is going to be sensitive and the perfect boyfriend. They are actually pretty misogynistic. Sexual harassment in the workplace is a real issue. The secretly filming sex and sharing the tapes thing happens a lot, too. Plus, once a woman hits 30, she's considered old. If you haven't snagged a man by then, you're in real danger of ending up a spinster.

Add in the fact that they have very strict beauty standards (weight needs to be under 50kg, the whiter the skin the better, plastic surgery capital of the world, etc.) -- it is not the utopia that most k-pop fans think. But there are quite a few of them who actually move to Korea thinking that it is. Nearly all of them fantasize about moving there.
Agreed, Korean culture is way more misogynist than a lot of these stans realize. Some friends of mine have hosted Korean foreign exchange students before and the boys would never listen to anything the female host family members would say, even when the male family members made it clear that they were of equal standing in the household. It's a sharp contrast from the Japanese exchange students who are possibly the nicest people on the planet.

But the possibility that non-Caucasians can be sexist is a line of thinking that kpop stans just can't comprehend.
 
So South Korea has the talmud as part of their constitution, practice general jew behavior (having a matriarchy, driving women insane as they hold powerful positions, literal sex slave trades are approved, and ruining other countries with their backwards beliefs)- like weebs/keebs they fail because they aren't born in a pure asian environment and look like dopy fat neckbeards with a fedora + katana. I bet Jews low-key laugh at the incompetence of the yellow goyims for not being 'subtle' enough or having God's Chosens mustardrace blood.
Would they be called Jewaboos? or Goyimboos?
 
I've always known that having pale skin is considered peak beauty in basically all Asian cultures, for most of the same reasons being pale was considered attractive in Europe, but when I saw just how pale 90% of K-Pop artists (and other Korean music artists too, but mostly K-Pop) were I was completely stunned.

It's more shocking than pale Japanese because they're generally quite pale naturally. Koreans can be on the pale side but generally aren't. I actually started paying attention to the K-Pop craziness around the same time my church got a new pastor, who was 100% Korean, and definitely NOT a pale uwu boi. The difference between Jimmin or whoever and he and his family was/is quite terrifying. I never got the chance to ask him about K-Pop before he left, though. Probably for the best.
 
Agreed, Korean culture is way more misogynist than a lot of these stans realize. Some friends of mine have hosted Korean foreign exchange students before and the boys would never listen to anything the female host family members would say, even when the male family members made it clear that they were of equal standing in the household. It's a sharp contrast from the Japanese exchange students who are possibly the nicest people on the planet.

But the possibility that non-Caucasians can be sexist is a line of thinking that kpop stans just can't comprehend.
Perhaps the one exchange student I met in university was the exception rather than the rule as far as snubbing women's opinions went. He also looked nothing like a pop star and this was before KPop fandom turned out literal spambots.

Also long before the SJW movement went apeshit.
 
So South Korea has the talmud as part of their constitution, practice general jew behavior (having a matriarchy, driving women insane as they hold powerful positions, literal sex slave trades are approved, and ruining other countries with their backwards beliefs)- like weebs/keebs they fail because they aren't born in a pure asian environment and look like dopy fat neckbeards with a fedora + katana. I bet Jews low-key laugh at the incompetence of the yellow goyims for not being 'subtle' enough or having God's Chosens mustardrace blood.
Would they be called Jewaboos? or Goyimboos?

Please tell me you aren't about to shit up the thread with "muh juice."
 
Agreed, Korean culture is way more misogynist than a lot of these stans realize. Some friends of mine have hosted Korean foreign exchange students before and the boys would never listen to anything the female host family members would say, even when the male family members made it clear that they were of equal standing in the household. It's a sharp contrast from the Japanese exchange students who are possibly the nicest people on the planet.

But the possibility that non-Caucasians can be sexist is a line of thinking that kpop stans just can't comprehend.

Well they certainly aren't helping.

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EXO’s Cross-Dressing Fans
Everyone expects some privacy when they’re in the bathroom including K-Pop idols. Unfortunately for EXO, they were once the victims of fans who decided to intrude upon them in this private space.

The boys once encountered female sasaeng fans who entered the bathroom the boys were using. While this may be shocking already, the fans even shaved their heads and dressed like boys so that they wouldn’t be suspicious! Suffice is to say the boys were not happy by their act!

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Since then, the members take turns standing guard outside the bathroom entrance to prevent an instance like this from happening again!



EXO’s Secret Recordings
Idols have a lot of work they do overseas and as a result, need to stay in hotels, but sometimes saesangs can infiltrate them and wreck havoc.

During one overseas trip, EXO stayed at a hotel which saesang fans had managed to break into. They installed cameras in the hotel’s gym. Luckily, Suho noticed these cameras and quickly covered his face while pointing them out to his manager.

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That wasn’t the only thing the fans did. They also were able to install cameras in some of the members’ rooms as well as microphones!



Kim Jaejoong’s Sexual Harassment
One time Jaejoong thought he was simply taking a nice break at a sauna, but it turns out it would instead turn into a bit of a nightmare. During his time there a sasaeng fan snuck up on Jaejoong.

Meanwhile, he was completely oblivious to the fact that the fan was there since he was fast asleep! The fan quickly snapped a photo and posted it on many international fan boards with the caption, “Jaejoong is now sleeping in a sauna.” If that wasn’t already bad enough, she even bragged that she kissed him while he was asleep!

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This Rion girl has gotten a bit of a reputation for re-enacting Suhos social media posts as well.

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Most koreaboos are female, but there are also male koreaboos such as this creepy guy:
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A lot of kpop fans don't really understand what Korean culture is actually like. They see their idols and watch some k-dramas and think every Korean dude is going to be sensitive and the perfect boyfriend. They are actually pretty misogynistic. Sexual harassment in the workplace is a real issue. The secretly filming sex and sharing the tapes thing happens a lot, too. Plus, once a woman hits 30, she's considered old. If you haven't snagged a man by then, you're in real danger of ending up a spinster.

Add in the fact that they have very strict beauty standards (weight needs to be under 50kg, the whiter the skin the better, plastic surgery capital of the world, etc.) -- it is not the utopia that most k-pop fans think. But there are quite a few of them who actually move to Korea thinking that it is. Nearly all of them fantasize about moving there.
A while ago, I read a forum post written by a woman living in South Korea and she described the delusion of k-pop stans as something along the lines of "they think life in Korea is like a k drama and that one day they will meet BTS in their bumfuck nowhere town and then they are surprised when they discover that it's filled with whore houses on every corner and they're on the bottom of the social hierchachy" (South Korea has and has had a problem with prostitution for a long time, both during the post-war period where the South Korean state actually ran the prostitution industry and nowadays where both "standard" and elderly prostitution is a problem; the latter phenomena even has a name, Bacchus Ladies) which is a blunt description but one which seems to have a lot of truth to it. South Korea is a really interesting country in a lot of ways but it also has deep flaws which many k-pop stans totally ignore just because they're caught up in the Hallyu wave. It seems that some of them think that first there was the establishment of the ROK closely followed by the Korean war, then nothing in particular happened for about forty years and then the k-pop industry just magically sprung up sometime in the 90s and started churning out plastically pretty k-pop boys and girls on a conveyor belt.
 
I've always known that having pale skin is considered peak beauty in basically all Asian cultures, for most of the same reasons being pale was considered attractive in Europe, but when I saw just how pale 90% of K-Pop artists (and other Korean music artists too, but mostly K-Pop) were I was completely stunned.

I was wondering about this for a bit. But then going back through older K-Pop groups, it's not so much that skin lightening products became more popular, it's that these days, cameras in SK are set to high contrast.

For example, a Kpop group goes to Kcon to be filmed by an American Film crew and their skin tone changes.

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Back in the 90's light skin wasn't as common in Kpop media as it is now. But I think that may be due to digital editing that can be done now on film.

Here's a 90's group called S.E.S.


Now these were the photos that were their promo images at the time. They must've been done manually back then in the photolab.

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I just find the K-Pop industry itself fascinating, reading about the different things companies and trainees do in order to get fans. One idol admitted she spent hours everyday as a trainee practicing winking because she wanted to get good at fanservice.
 
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The difference is that the group members themselves get none of the money. It's all taken by the record labels/management companies. Essentially, the Kpop idols are slaves.

Recently, two different A-list idols killed themselves within weeks of each other. Sulli from f(x) and Goo Hara from Kara. They were both in their twenties. Could the realization that they wasted their youths have anything to do with it?

They killed themselves because you aren't able to differentiate between the pay structures of second gen and third gen groups. Second gen groups were paid exorbitant percentages.
 
For K-Pop Fans, Devotion Can Come at a High Price

If you were to sit down, while feeling particularly organised, and map out how much you spend on your favourite bands, where do you think you’d end up? A few quid a month on Spotify? Maybe £80 per month, for one gig involving tedious queuing plus a tee for your Insta stories at the merch stand?

Now, think about it in relation to just one genre. “It's probably close to $350-400 a month on average,” writes K-pop reddit thread user. Another one chimes in: “Right now it's $150, but if my bias has a comeback I will spend more.” Another one: “I would guess I average about $325 a month.” When it comes to Korea’s ever-growing pop landscape, any number below three figures feels like a myth.

Obviously money plays a part in stanning artists from all genres (you could probably fill a house with Fenty Beauty or Yeezy products alone). But in the world of K-pop, it’s especially acute. In a feature for MTV last month, journalist Cat Kelley wrote about the US-based fans literally spending thousands on flights, concert tickets and multiple-day K-pop conventions – with many working two or more jobs to make it happen.

But what makes K-pop in particular so money-orientated? As Kelley points out, “It’s common knowledge that many Korean acts do not make much money if they haven’t attained the rarified stature of a top-selling group like BTS.” In other words, K-pop acts generally have to make it huge, or they don’t make it at all. This can feed into the idea that spending money on merch and tickets etc isn’t just for your own enjoyment – it’s also keeping your fave K-pop act afloat. That in turn affects the culture around spending in general.

And then, of course, there’s so much stuff to choose from. Unlike other pop bands who might release a few calendars or hoodies, the K-pop content wheel is endless: There are group-specific lightsticks, hair dyes and even cars. Every time a K-pop act makes a comeback – as often as once every handful of months – intricate booklets, posters and collectable photocards come as part of the release package, often with (very high) shipping costs. Basically, if you’ve got enough cash, you can exist in a colourful K-pop utopia of your own making.

But what if you can’t afford that? So much of fandom culture works itself out online. Where and how you choose to spend your cash is often out in public, ready to face the judgment of spectators. That’s where things get messy. Because for some, having a more extensive merch collection, or being seen attending a lot of gigs, can seem like the marker of a “better” or more dedicated fan. Failing to buy the latest release can open you up to being shamed – even in jest – as lack of commitment. All of this tosses together questions of consumerism, micro-generational difference and the line between loyalty and self-conscious stunting. It’s complex, but ultimately fan culture runs deeper than the raw numbers of how much you spend.

Again, this isn’t exclusive to K-pop – money feeds into all fandoms, obviously – but “merch-shaming” in K-pop is a very real thing. Take earlier this year, for example, when young stans were discussing the validity of “older” BTS fans online, who then hit back with some variation of ‘yeah, but we have money’. As one user put it: “We cry into our newly bought BTS merch, we cry listening to our newly bought albums in our new Palisade as we drive to BTS concerts where we buy more merch…” to the tune of 24k likes. This week, BTS fans snaked through huge queues to nab merch from the group's London pop-up shop, before they play Wembley this weekend.

Magda, a 22-year-old BTS, BlackPink and Sunmi fan from Russia, has seen a more extreme type of shaming behaviour encouraged by the admins of an unnamed K-pop page on Russian social network VK. Their online community holds about 10,000 followers most of whom, she says, are young teenagers. “These admins are pushing the inherently classist agenda that those buying off-brand merch and not owning physical albums are less valuable as fans,” she tells me over Twitter, after clarifying how getting official merch in Russia is often quite difficult due to extortionate shipping costs.

According to Magda, the attitude that ‘money equals real dedication’ is also spreading to certain parts of the Russian K-pop fandom on Twitter. “You got two goddamn months to save up and order the freaking lightstick – don’t you dare lie [sic] if you found the money for the gig, then you'd find it for the lightstick during this time,” reads one since-deleted Tweet, translated by Magda, the user responding to some fans’ decision to buy an unofficial NCT lightstick, rather than the more expensive version sold by SM.

“It's how I sleep at night knowing that if my faves disband it wasn't my fault,” a Reddit user wrote two years ago, when asked why they buy K-pop albums. “I eye-roll so hard when there's an outcry of people blaming companies for disbanding groups and for flopping [when] they spend $0 on them,” they added. On Twitter, a curiouscat question sent to one user last year reads: “You call yourself a fan and you have ONE BTS album? (that you probably stole from your local target LOL) broke bitch”.

Obviously, a very ~online~ sense of humour runs through thee tone of those posts. But it manifests in darker ways IRL too, even unintentionally. K-pop fansigns, for example – an events where fans get to meet their idols face to face – usually work on a lottery system, meaning that those who've bought multiple albums have a higher chance of getting in. Some stans end up buying more than 40 copies for the vague possibility of being chosen. Fans themselves can then come to internalise the pressure to own everything, believing that not being able to afford merch equals missing out on a fundamental part of the fan experience.

“I think younger fans especially feel a lot of pressure to ‘protect’ and support their faves by constantly engaging – be it with buying merch or tweeting and streaming,” says Bora, a 31-year-old K-pop fan from the UK. “Pace yourselves a bit. You don’t have to do everything, watch everything or buy everything. Do as much as you can – to be a true fan or to love them doesn’t mean you have to give up yourself.”

Despite this pressure, K-pop stans can regularly find ways to get around the high costs of merch. Some make their own, while voluntary community managers organise bulk orders so that shipping costs are lowered. Fans with multiple copies of albums have been known to do Twitter giveaways (mostly genuine, sometimes not), or share paid streaming accounts with friends and resell tickets at face value.

Plus, as is the case with anyone who’s into music, you can find ways to experience gigs without actually being there – even more so when your favourite groups hardly ever perform where you live. For example, 33-year-old, American K-pop fan Tiffany Marie live-tweeted her first BTS concert back in 2015. “I felt like I had to tweet the concert when it was my turn because I remembered all those ARMYs [the name given to BTS fans] who did that for me,” she tells me now. “That was the thing which carried me through not being able to experience it for myself.”

Spending money on your favourite K-pop act can be fun if you’re able to – but it is definitely not what makes a fan. It’s easy to get swept up in the whirlwind of stan Twitter and endless content, but the fundamental thing to remember is that being a fan should be whatever you want it to be – a time to bond with other people over your favourite artists’ weird trouser choice, or insanely choreographed new video. It shouldn’t be a source of financial stress or bullying – because honestly, where’s the fun in that?

“If your support means being able to stream on YouTube, that’s just as amazing as someone being able to buy an album,” says Tiffany. “Honestly – would Namjoon say ‘You’re not a real BTS fan if you haven’t bought every single one of our albums’? No he wouldn’t – he’d say ‘go to sleep, do your homework. You should support us in the way that doesn’t do you any sort of harm.’”

Article here.
 
Well they certainly aren't helping.

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EXO’s Cross-Dressing Fans
Everyone expects some privacy when they’re in the bathroom including K-Pop idols. Unfortunately for EXO, they were once the victims of fans who decided to intrude upon them in this private space.

The boys once encountered female sasaeng fans who entered the bathroom the boys were using. While this may be shocking already, the fans even shaved their heads and dressed like boys so that they wouldn’t be suspicious! Suffice is to say the boys were not happy by their act!

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Since then, the members take turns standing guard outside the bathroom entrance to prevent an instance like this from happening again!



EXO’s Secret Recordings
Idols have a lot of work they do overseas and as a result, need to stay in hotels, but sometimes saesangs can infiltrate them and wreck havoc.

During one overseas trip, EXO stayed at a hotel which saesang fans had managed to break into. They installed cameras in the hotel’s gym. Luckily, Suho noticed these cameras and quickly covered his face while pointing them out to his manager.

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That wasn’t the only thing the fans did. They also were able to install cameras in some of the members’ rooms as well as microphones!



Kim Jaejoong’s Sexual Harassment
One time Jaejoong thought he was simply taking a nice break at a sauna, but it turns out it would instead turn into a bit of a nightmare. During his time there a sasaeng fan snuck up on Jaejoong.

Meanwhile, he was completely oblivious to the fact that the fan was there since he was fast asleep! The fan quickly snapped a photo and posted it on many international fan boards with the caption, “Jaejoong is now sleeping in a sauna.” If that wasn’t already bad enough, she even bragged that she kissed him while he was asleep!

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This Rion girl has gotten a bit of a reputation for re-enacting Suhos social media posts as well.

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Do k-pop idols not have bodyguards? Managers? I'm fairly certain simply having the standard of security that most western celebrities have would prevent a lot of these situations from happening.

There's no way any decent bodyguard would allow insane fans to get that close to their client.
 
Do k-pop idols not have bodyguards? Managers? I'm fairly certain simply having the standard of security that most western celebrities have would prevent a lot of these situations from happening.

There's no way any decent bodyguard would allow insane fans to get that close to their client.

No matter how many bodyguards there are, there will always be some crazy fan who is obsessed enough to get rid of security measures. Monica Seles was stabbed in the middle of a tennis game.
 
Do k-pop idols not have bodyguards? Managers? I'm fairly certain simply having the standard of security that most western celebrities have would prevent a lot of these situations from happening.

There's no way any decent bodyguard would allow insane fans to get that close to their client.

Yeah but it varies, groups who are very popular have lots of security and still get caught out. One boy group almost got kidnapped by fans because they drove an exact replica of their van outside their hotel when they were about to leave. While others have virtually no security due to the fact they aren't very famous and mothers come up and ask them to marry their daughters who are fans.

They also have a wikipedia article now.


Motives

Many sasaengs are motivated by a desire to gain recognition from their idols and stand out from other fans.[9] One sasaeng fan interviewed gave an explanation for this obsessive behavior:

I feel like I get to know more about and get closer to the idol I love. If I go to a concert, there are thousands of people attending, so the idol would not know who I am. But if I become sasaeng, they will recognize me. If I keep telling them, ‘I am so-and-so. I saw you at that place before. I am so-and-so’, they will start to take note of me and ask ‘Did you come again today?’ To sasaeng fans, being recognized by idols is a good thing.[3]
This need for individual recognition from idols has fueled some notable sasaeng acts. Physical assault is one perceived way of being remembered.[10] In 2012, a sasaeng reportedly slapped Yoochun, of the boy group JYJ, in the face, justifying herself by saying that the idol would surely remember her from then on.[11][unreliable source?]

While sasaengs have formed a network to help spread and share information, a sasaeng's activity is also individualistic. The sasaeng who can get closest to an idol, or who can acquire private information no one else has, gains greater respect among other sasaengs.[12]


Tactics

Sasaengs have developed various methods for obtaining information about idols, and have formed a sasaeng network to share information and form groups to accomplish tasks. It has been noted that sasaeng fans old enough to work will try to get jobs in industries bringing them closer either to their idols or to information concerning them. Target employers may include airline companies, phone companies, and credit card companies.[15] In 2017, Brave Entertainment, home of solo artist Samuel, dismissed two staff members for sasaeng fan activity that included following other artists and communicating personal information about Samuel.[16]

The increased popularity of social media has made possible the sale of information concerning idols on social media platforms such as Twitter, KakaoTalk, and Instagram.[17] Some sasaengs have access to wide-ranging personal information, that may include home addresses, cellphone numbers, flight details, personal social media accounts, credit card account numbers, audio recordings, and videos. Some sellers also offer to sell the methods they use to obtain this information. One seller of such information tweeted:


I have pretty much any idol’s information. EXO, BTS, NCT, Wanna One, Produce 101, etc. Audio recordings, Kakao Talk, phone numbers, passports, Twitter [accounts], dormitories, private Instagram accounts, and videos. Send me a DM [direct message]. [17]
The so-called "sasaeng taxi" is a method used by sasaengs to follow idols to their scheduled activities or personal appointments. Such taxis charge an average of $600 a day, and will follow an idol or group for the entire day, exceeding speed limits and breaking other traffic rules.[15] Drivers of such taxis may wait outside venues for customers.[18]

Such methods, costly in terms of both time and money, have resulted in sasaeng fans missing or dropping out of school, sleeping in Internet cafes, or turning to prostitution to cover their sasaeng-related expenses.
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