KR Korean Cold War Officially Over - Leaders shown holding hands and crossing borders

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xxXDxx said:
That wouldn't stop the maintaining of their existing tech level, which is somewhere around "miniaturized boosted fission". America hasn't done a nuclear test for longer than most people here have been alive, but nobody says America is about to disarm.
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I think it's important too to remember that NK didn't specifically say we're tossing our nukes or nuke capacity out. I know it's been said as that in the western media but they weren't the words used. It was more we'll be complety scaling back if SK agree to too. That doesn't mean not having the tech or ability, just agreeing to no longer solve problems by resorting to nuke threats.

The words used, in Korean very much implied that more than it did what the west is reporting. Even Japan isn't reporting it the same as the west. It's still GOOD that they're at this point though.
 
Your Weird Fetish said:
Seriously, what has actually changed? Is there a good summary somewhere, in this thread or elsewhere? I don't care about symbols of better times. What's the actual impact?

And more importantly, how does it affect the current professional Starcraft scene?
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It's a sign that NK is more open to interacting with SK. It'll be less likely to use tactics like kidnapping and outright assassination and more likely to work to open more trade zones in their country.

The agreement to denuclearize or at least stop the missile testing is a positive sign as well.

damian said:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=id=GjH0fG-FIB4;t=0
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Kyle Kulinsky thinks that Hillary would be better than Trump at diplomacy...?


Keep in mind that Kyle believes that Hillary would emulate Kissinger's insanity of toppling democratic governments for fascist ones and bombing neutral countries for no good reason.
 
heathercho said:
I think it's important too to remember that NK didn't specifically say we're tossing our nukes or nuke capacity out. I know it's been said as that in the western media but they weren't the words used. It was more we'll be complety scaling back if SK agree to too. That doesn't mean not having the tech or ability, just agreeing to no longer solve problems by resorting to nuke threats.

The words used, in Korean very much implied that more than it did what the west is reporting. Even Japan isn't reporting it the same as the west. It's still GOOD that they're at this point though.
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According to this Forbes article the North Koreans halted their nuclear test program because the last nuclear explosion detonated underneath the mountain used for the tests tore open a hole in the mountain causing it to collapse and creating a pathway for radioactive dust to escape which could make its way to China and other neighbouring countries.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevor...opped-its-nuclear-missile-tests/#42163bde64c2
 
This is honestly incredible; I had to let it sink in because the history student in me honestly was like THE FUCK!!!!

It will be really interesting what happens in the communications between Japan and China now and if all these countries will form a union to counter Russia
 
Null said:
This is why democrats are hemorrhaging popular support. "I can't wait to be attacked" is not a sentiment most people resonate with.
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Lol @ you and anyone who think the North Koreans are an actual threat to the US.

Promises from the DPRK aren't worth the air time they're given. We're handing them a propaganda win and little more.
 
Fulda's Gap said:
Lol @ you and anyone who think the North Koreans are an actual threat to the US.

Promises from the DPRK aren't worth the air time they're given. We're handing them a propaganda win and little more.
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They're obviously a threat to the US. Maybe they can't nuke DC, but if they even launch artillery at Seoul you going to see a full scale invasion and rekindling of the Korean War. Even if only thousands of Americans die die, as they have in Iraq and Afghanistan, that's still hundreds of billions of dollars and thousands of lives needlessly sacrificed in the name of some bullshit fucking cause. But any attack from DPRK will consume not thousands but hundreds of thousands of South Koreans, who right now are of strategic importance against China if nothing else.

I don't care how much they are of a non-threat to the mainland, it's still a pointless fucking waste. DPRK doesn't need propaganda wins, it already fucking won that shit a long time ago and rules in total power of an isolated community. Fuck off with your dumb shit you mouthbreathing ape.
 
Don't post if you have nothing to say. If anyone could write your post, it doesn't need to be made. I look forward to your whinging complaint PM.
Null said:
They're obviously a threat to the US. Maybe they can't nuke DC, but if they even launch artillery at Seoul you going to see a full scale invasion and rekindling of the Korean War. Even if only thousands of Americans die die, as they have in Iraq and Afghanistan, that's still hundreds of billions of dollars and thousands of lives needlessly sacrificed in the name of some bullshit fucking cause. But any attack from DPRK will consume not thousands but hundreds of thousands of South Koreans, who right now are of strategic importance against China if nothing else.

I don't care how much they are of a non-threat to the mainland, it's still a pointless fucking waste. DPRK doesn't need propaganda wins, it already fucking won that shit a long time ago and rules in total power of an isolated community. Fuck off with your dumb shit you mouthbreathing ape.
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lol calm down
 
Fulda's Gap said:
Lol @ you and anyone who think the North Koreans are an actual threat to the US.

Promises from the DPRK aren't worth the air time they're given. We're handing them a propaganda win and little more.
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Yeah, you still aren't going to win any arguments with that logic. May not be much of a threat to the U.S. but can do a lot of harm to our allies in the region. So fuck them.. am I right?
 
AkAuZtIk said:
Yeah, you still aren't going to win any arguments with that logic. May not be much of a threat to the U.S. but can do a lot of harm to our allies in the region. So fuck them.. am I right?
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"Fuck them" is not logic many could disagree with in regards to the North. But, this is hardly a victory. It's a non event. It's a war that hasn't had any engagements since the 50s.

All we've done is reinforce the status quo in the DPRK. And now what? Lift sanctions? There's no reasoning with them. As for our allies, they lie under the protective umbrella of US Forces in the region. The DPRK has never had intentions of launching, ever. They saber rattle and little more. They know full well the Armageddon they invite if they were to enact any plan to launch. All they do is brag about their supposed might in an effort to better than hand at the negotiating table.

I'd just hope Moon is prepared for talks to fall apart.
 
thismanlies said:
There have been smaller conflicts ever since the ceasefire was signed in 1953. Notable examples include the Blue House Raid, the responding formation of Unit 684, the Second Battle of Yeonpyeong, and the Shelling of Yeonpyeong in 2010. Each of these things would have been declarations of war under normal circumstances. But keep in mind that the Korean War never officially ended, meaning that the two sides could resume a full scale conflict without too much bureaucratic paperwork.

The reason why they don't is because there's too much at stake. If the North were to invade the South, it would warrant a full scale response from the US military. Saddam Hussein had tech that was decades ahead of North Korea and he still got his shit kicked in. But if the South were to invade the North, it would warrant a response from China to protect their closest ally. The Chinese military of today isn't the peasant army of the past which was sent charging across frozen terrain hoping that the Americans would eventually run out of bullets. They have hardware and tactics they've been itching to use.
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NK isn't China's closest Ally, and they both know it. They are simply partners in a Mexican stand off with the Japanese Americans. China knows NK needs them to avoid being overrun - Honestly, forget the US. South Korea has double the population of NK, better weapons, and armed forces that aren't near-starvation level conscripts, SK could probably take NK in a straight fight.
NK knows that China doesn't want SK Korea sharing a border with them. NK is a nice convenient buffer zone. And if not for the degree and incredible scale of human rights abuses atrocities being committed in NK, honestly it'd really just be in everyone's best interest for the status quo to remain.

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That fucking snake robot said:
We aren't headed for WW3, but something's stirring in NK and it isn't rebellion or rumbles of freedom at all.
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This is standard NK diplomatic playbook. The reason is Trump's responding to their bluster with bluster of his own has put them back into "seem to be reasonable and cooperative until this blows over and the next limp-wrist we can jerk around gets elected" mode we saw for mid-Clinton the early part of Bush II.

The NK diplomatic strategy is to keep all the big players bouncing off each other. When NK does something, its usually because they believe some of the parties involved in the pennisula are getting too chummy.
 
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It's HK-47 said:
Oh, they're not unknown at all. It's not the slightest bit of a secret that the Korean People's Army (KPA) are North Korea's ruling elite, I mean just look at their mansions, for God's sake. It's been theorized in the past that North Korea's always been something of a 50/50 stand-off between the Kim dynasty and the KPA, effectively holding each other hostage, but now we're suddenly not really hearing much of anything at all out of the KPA, and to my knowledge they haven't been making any appearances in any of the news cycles surrounding this story.

I am really, really curious as to where the KPA is in all of this, and I have absolutely no evidence at all to back it up yet, but I'm starting to wonder if the KPA wasn't one of the bigger issues in North Korea this whole time, and the reason that North Korea is suddenly so cooperative all across the board is because the KPA just isn't as much of a problem, anymore. We never did learn what exactly the U.S.S. Jimmy Carter was doing out there, after all, and those submarines have some pretty interesting specifications.

But that's all so far out into "wild speculation" territory that it's almost not worth talking about until we see where all the KPA generals are, but if a whole buttload of those guys are inexplicably missing, I'm gonna' wind up having one intensely-piqued curiousity.
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I have no doubt that the KPA generals were carbonized in Pyongyang sports stadium some time ago, along with their immediate families and most favoured pets. Fat Boy has done some serious purging and now as payback for their support during those trying times, China has decided it’s time to open up to trade. The peasants will be happy with that, everyone can blame Trump and save face and China can just keep on expanding without interruption. There’s no way they’re going to reunify the Koreas though, not a hope in hell.
 
grumbleBum said:
I have no doubt that the KPA generals were carbonized in Pyongyang sports stadium some time ago, along with their immediate families and most favoured pets. Fat Boy has done some serious purging and now as payback for their support during those trying times, China has decided it’s time to open up to trade. The peasants will be happy with that, everyone can blame Trump and save face and China can just keep on expanding without interruption. There’s no way they’re going to reunify the Koreas though, not a hope in hell.
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The thing that puzzles me is, is that most people are saying this means absolutely nothing. In their minds theres only two possible scenarios they count as a win. NK just surrenders unconditonally and hands over everything everyone lives in happy carebear hugalot land. Or SK and America decide to just overrun NK.

Which is the most ludicrous scenarios you could think of. Their win conditions are impossible to meet, so they can sit back and say everything is shit for eternity.
 
Henry Kissinger’s going to die a wealthy, free man. Whenever I remember this, I try to forget it as quickly as possible.
 
Medicated said:
The thing that puzzles me is, is that most people are saying this means absolutely nothing. In their minds theres only two possible scenarios they count as a win. NK just surrenders unconditonally and hands over everything everyone lives in happy carebear hugalot land. Or SK and America decide to just overrun NK.

Which is the most ludicrous scenarios you could think of. Their win conditions are impossible to meet, so they can sit back and say everything is shit for eternity.
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I'm still not seeing anything about any intermediaries between those two extremes either though. Just a vague commitment to be nice and maybe talk about some other stuff in the future.

This is not the fall of the Berlin Wall.
 
Your Weird Fetish said:
I'm still not seeing anything about any intermediaries between those two extremes either though. Just a vague commitment to be nice and maybe talk about some other stuff in the future.

This is not the fall of the Berlin Wall.
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Yeah but Reagan didn't just suddenly decide to jump in a monster truck and drive it into the Berlin wall one day. Even if it's just solely symbolic, it's still important. Becaust things are moving forward, not backward.
 
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