KR Korean Cold War Officially Over - Leaders shown holding hands and crossing borders

Normally North Korea news goes in the mega thread but this is probably the biggest thing since the Berlin Wall came down and deserves it's own stand alone. You can see the meeting between the two leaders and crossing each others' boarders while holding hands for pictures before the peace summit.

https://www.voanews.com/a/north-south-korean-leaders-historic-summit/4367114.html

 

[CabbageMan]

Spoiler: When the war's over but you still get drafted

 

[theshep]

South Korea doesn't want to be responsible for the care & feeding of a sudden influx of brainwashed re-re's. This is to say nothing of internal racism.

Absolutely! It's widely known that North Korean refugees struggle to integrate into life in South Korea, partly due to animosity held towards them by South Koreans. They struggle to find jobs and are viewed as "milking the system".

I think this may contribute towards a number of North Korean defectors heading towards Western countries after they escape.

Sure, meetings between the South Korean President and Kim Jong-Un make for good TV, but at the end of the day, the touted Sunshine Policy isn't viewed as being particularly sunny overall.

 

[Ghostse]

Absolutely! It's widely known that North Korean refugees struggle to integrate into life in South Korea, partly due to animosity held towards them by South Koreans. They struggle to find jobs and are viewed as "jerking off the system".

I think this may contribute towards a number of North Korean defectors heading towards Western countries after they escape.

Sure, meetings between the South Korean President and Kim Jong-Un make for good TV, but at the end of the day, the touted Sunshine Policy isn't viewed as being particularly sunny overall.

Its not just North Vs. South Racism. There are different ethnic groups in both the north and the south, and they generally have fairly low opinions of people from the "wrong" ethnicity.

 

[PS1gamenwatch]

I wonder if this still applies

 

[CaptainMappy]

 

[Medicated]

Anyway, Trump is ending the longest running modern war, so that means his Nobel Peace prize will be in the mail, right? I mean, that's more than Obama ever did for peace.

The fact Obama got a Nobel Prize just for winning a Presidency should show you how political the Nobel peace prize is these days. Hillary would probably kill the Nobel Organization with her bare hands if they started talking about it.

 

[Male Idiot]

I agree that they won't unite. Kims will want to retain at least some power, and South some of their money.

But yeah, punishing Rocket Man for opening up is propably the worst idea you can do. Even if he was as dumb as everybody believes he is, there are two important factors.

1: He gets arrested and is jailed or killed. This would make whoever succeeds him completely suspicious of any diplomatic outreach.
2: He escapes punishment and is reassured that only nuclear tests diplomacy works.

Both of these scenarios are anything but good. Reducing economic sanctions would get more towards ending death camps than replacing Rocket Man with an even more suspicious and rightly distrustful heir, whenever military dictator or dynasty member.

 

[Rupin]

Trump just can't stop winning

The fact Obama got a Nobel Prize just for winning a Presidency should show you how political the Nobel peace prize is these days. Hillary would probably kill the Nobel Organization with her bare hands if they started talking about it.

I think Obama got that prize just based on the color of his skin. He didn't do anything notable to earn it.

 

[Slap47]

There is 0% chance that Trump is going to get the Nobel Peace Prize.

You have to start wars to get that prize like Obama and Henry Kissinger.

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

There is 0% chance that Trump is going to get the Nobel Peace Prize.

You have to start wars to get that prize like Obama and Henry Kissinger.

The real question is if it was Hillary.

I mean, assuming she didn't inadvertently destroy the west because of her hatred toward Russia.

 

[It's HK-47]

I think Obama got that prize just based on the color of his skin. He didn't do anything notable to earn it.

Actually they awarded him the Nobel Prize on the assumption that he would go on to do great things, and beyond that if you search for why he won it, you get constantly-conflicting reports from a dozen different outlets because even they don't fucking know why. You see it being assumed that it was for nuclear disarmament, peace in the middle East, peace in Korea, climate change, you name it, someone's theorized themselves into an absolute certainty that that's clearly why he won it.

He literally did not earn it though, he promised to earn it, and then kind of forgot to actually do it. I was always a little iffy about Obama's presidency, but the second that he'd accepted a Nobel Peace Prize for doing absolutely nothing I could hear a hundred, little sirens going off in my head. That was not a good sign of things to come. Even the secretary of the Nobel committee later went on to say that he regretted ever awarding him one, and I would have sworn I'd read somewhere once that Obama himself regretted ever accepting it, but I can't seem to find that story anymore.

He accomplished Cash for Clunkers, though. That's Nobel-worthy, I guess. If you're having a really, really slow year. ...Oh wait, no, all that program did was completely fuck-over the used auto industry, helped prolong the economic crash, cost General Motors a shitload of money when they failed to reimburse them right after they had just finished filing for bankruptcy, and ran out of money in one fucking month.

Thanks, Obama.

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

Seriously, what has actually changed? Is there a good summary somewhere, in this thread or elsewhere? I don't care about symbols of better times. What's the actual impact?

And more importantly, how does it affect the current professional Starcraft scene?

 

[heathercho]

Seriously, what has actually changed? Is there a good summary somewhere, in this thread or elsewhere? I don't care about symbols of better times. What's the actual impact?

And more importantly, how does it affect the current professional Starcraft scene?

2 Koreas Promise New 'Age of Peace'

April 27, 2018 20:24

President Moon Jae-in and North Korean leader Kim Jong-un on Friday evening ended their historic summit with a broad commitment to work toward "complete" denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.

The agreement came in a joint statement that was strong on principles but vague on details after the two leaders had spent most of the day deep in discussion.

"There will be no more war on the Korean Peninsula and a new age of peace has opened," they said before sitting down to dinner in the truce village of Panmunjom.

The two leaders agreed to push for multilateral talks involving the U.S. and possibly China to replace the armistice that halted the Korea War with a proper peace treaty within this year. The two Koreas technically remain at war.

Efforts to reduce military tensions will include a complete halt to hostilities, including a stop to propaganda broadcasts and distribution of leaflets.

South Korean President Moon Jae-in (left) and North Korean leader Kim Jong-un take a walk in the truce village of Panmunjom on Friday.
The two sides also vowed to hold further talks on humanitarian matters like reunions of families separated by the Korean War on the occasion of Liberation Day on Aug. 15. They also pledged to set up a liaison office in the North Korean border town of Kaesong.

At 9:30 a.m., Moon welcomed Kim, who walked across a graveled strip of border and briefly invited Moon to step over the line into North Korea as the two leaders held hands. They inspected an honor guard decked out in historical costume before sitting down for talks with a small entourage in a specially refurbished meeting room.

At the end of the day, which also saw the two leaders plant a pine tree symbolizing peace and prosperity and take a walk together out of earshot of the press and other officials, Moon said their agreements will be a "great present to the entire world."

"The two leaders held serious and honest discussions on ways to denuclearize the Korean Peninsula, establish permanent peace and develop South-North Korea relations," said presidential spokesman Yoon Young-chan.

Moon will visit Pyongang in the fall to reciprocate Kim's visit and Kim also said he could visit Cheong Wa Da if he is invited.

The South and North Korean leaders pose with their wives before dinner in the truce village of Panmunjom on Friday. /Newsis
The evening is given over to a dinner attended by both leaders and their wives. Kim's wife Ri Sol-ju arrived at Panmunjom around 6:15 p.m. with another score of North Korean officials, including Hyun Song-wol, the head of the Samjiyon Orchestra that staged performances in South Korea during the Pyeongchang Winter Olympics in February.

Attendees including the South and North Korean leaders react after watching a performance at a dinner party in the truce village of Panmunjom on Friday. /Newsis
The menu features dishes symbolic of the two leaders' personal history, including rösti from Switzerland, where Kim went to school, and fish from Moon's hometown of Busan. The dessert will be adorned with a map of the Korean Peninsula in turquoise icing.

TL;DR

• The summit between the 2 Koreas has yielded an agreement to "work together" towards denuclearising the entire Korean peninsula.
• This is not a commitment yet to technically end "war" but to stop being antagonistic towards each other - i.e, stopping the DMZ broadcasts and leaflet dropping. They are technically still at war.
  
• A new era of peace does not mean re-unification or anything even close to re-unification. Nor does this mean KJU will end his rule or dictate of Juche in NK.
• They will discuss the possibility of disarming soliders in the DMZ.
• Economic co-operation was not on the agenda, nor is it of any future concern.
• Human rights issues were not discussed, nor were they on the agenda.

Overall, I think the Western media is portraying this as some great big thing that it isn't - it isn't re-unification, it isn't an end to the Juche ideals, it isn't the end to the rule of the Kims. It isn't anything but what it is - the first step towards scrapping the nuke program NK had as well as shutting SK and the rest of the world up about "muh nukes". That's all.

Its not just North Vs. South Racism. There are different ethnic groups in both the north and the south, and they generally have fairly low opinions of people from the "wrong" ethnicity.

Different ethnic groups? Do you mean maybe castes or clans?

 

[Y2K Baby]

Are they gonna' kiss?

 

[Francine StripeCheer]

So what's the difference between this and previous Korean unification efforts? Wasn't there the whole Sunshine Policy thing which previous left-leaning South Korean leaders like Roh Moo-hyun attempted? I'm skeptical this will actually be the end for real.

Maybe Kim is secure enough in his control of NK that he can make unusual steps like this (his rivals in the party killed, his brother (the only replacement) dead. He even went to China, dictators don't like to leave home in case they're deposed

News media: Quick! How can I make this a bad thing while also making this Trump's fault???

"Thousands of soldiers are about to lose their jobs - and Trump's to blame"

 

[spiritofamermaid]

Overall, I think the Western media is portraying this as some great big thing that it isn't - it isn't re-unification, it isn't an end to the Juche ideals, it isn't the end to the rule of the Kims. It isn't anything but what it is - the first step towards scrapping the nuke program NK had as well as shutting SK and the rest of the world up about "muh nukes". That's all.

Does that mean that it's actually not the end of the Korean Cold War, and just de-nuclearization of NK? Just the first steps to de-nucleared NK and not first steps to the end of the Korean Cold War?

 

[heathercho]

Does that mean that it's actually not the end of the Korean Cold War, and just de-nuclearization of NK? Just the first steps to de-nucleared NK and not first steps to the end of the Korean Cold War?

It depends, I guess. The main focus atm is on getting rid of the nukes and nuke agitation, with possible talks of removing armed troops from the DMZ. Possible. It wouldn't be instantaneous, I don't imagine, but drawn out over a very long period. I just wouldn't be surprised if something "upset" North Korea in the future and back up the troops would go. But de-nuking the area would be something vital to come out of this, even if I don't personally believe KJU genuinely had lots of nukes. It shuts China up a bit and is more of a battle over the biggest dick between China and the US than it is just between the Koreas.

 

[Dynamite Ninja]

So he's a shoe in. I mean that's got to be how it works, so he's got that locked up. Right?

Don't hold your breath on that. I'm sure they'll find some justification for not giving him the award (even if said justification is stupid). If by some miracle he does end up winning the award, It will be a very pleasant surprise (and as some people already said, the salt would be huge).

 

[QWaffen]

I love how difficult it is to make information go away in this day and age, it's so easy to make people look like they had and have no idea what they're talking about.

Social media is a blessing for anons, it's like having a tool that lets you see everyone's retardation

 

[Autopsy]

Here's the thing, going forward with peace deals the US and South Korea are going to have to be pragmatic. Kim isn't going to agree to anything that can lead to him in front of a tribunal for crimes against humanity, and the US, South Korea, and China aren't going to forcibly remove him unless he strikes first.
Does this mean he will probably go unpunished for his crimes? Unfortunately, yes. We don't know the situation behind the scenes in North Korea, and there is almost certainly a faction within the North's military or political leadership that is against these talks. At this stage forging Kim out of power or trying to put him on trial for crimes against humanity hinders peace talks and risks placing an unknown threat in power.

Everyone should keep firmly placed in their minds that negating the victory of thirty or a hundred bad men is not worth millions of people dying like dogs, especially if that "victory" is the only viable solution to free those millions of their chains.

But de-nuking the area would be something vital to come out of this, even if I don't personally believe KJU genuinely had lots of nukes.

North Korea has run six tests of increasing magnitude and frequency, and they're estimated to have anywhere from ten to sixty already-assembled bombs by a number of independent groups and agencies. That's not a huge amount compared to an actual world power, but it is plenty to irradiate the major population centers of South Korea and Japan.