KR Korean Cold War Officially Over - Leaders shown holding hands and crossing borders

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Kermit the Frog said:
As with everything, the truth lies somewhere in the middle. For something huge like this, no one person can take credit; it's spread out among many. Trump has been the first President since Truman to be aggressive with North Korea, not cowering and giving concessions to their constant threats. Who knew that standing up to a bully was more effective? South Korea's foreign minister, Kang Kyung-wha, gave President Trump credit for helping to get North Korea to the negotiating table (https://twitter.com/camanpour/status/989423486438379520).
On the flip side, without pressure from other countries, namely China, North Korea's closest political ally and economic dependent, these peace talks don't happen. Trump gave Chinese President Xi credit (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/989834048796266498), acknowledging China's role. It probably helped that Trump was aggressive with China, as well, but we don't know to what extent of a role that played in China's North Korean policies.
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Credit has to be given to Kim for reaching out in the first place, I'm sure it wasn't easy for him to come to that decision and risk a possible backlash. Same with South Korean President Moon.

So the answer is that everybody involved deserves credit, and that ignoring their share of it just because you don't like them (Trump didn't do shit!) or you want to prop up one person in particular (4D Chess!) is pure ignorance. This is international diplomacy, after all. The right people at the right time have to come together to make the right decisions.
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We all know who to thank for this.
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Hopefully, this is the start of some massive de-escalation in Korea. Trump is a terrible president, but his grandstanding almost certainly had a part in this (though many other factors are what really pushed this to happen). Moon reallly deserves most of the praise towards the actors involved.

Trump fanboys will hail "da gawd empurrer" as the greatest peacemaker of our time and that this was his master plan, but if we had gone to war and killed 10 million Koreans when military action was a very real possibility, then they would have supported that just as much. The most important thing to them is that Trump gets a win, and that libtards look weak.

With all the rumors of the high-ranking leadership disliking him, it's fun to suppose that Kim Jong Un is setting himself up as the peacemaker to the Western World to protect himself from a potential coup, but that's just pure speculation.
 
I really hope Trump gets the Peace Prize. They gave it to Obama for no reason, and I can't think of anything he did to deserve it after, really. The salt would be amazing, and while I know Trump isn't solely responsible, ISIS has been nearly eliminated, and now this.
 
melty said:
I really hope Trump gets the Peace Prize. They gave it to Obama for no reason, and I can't think of anything he did to deserve it after, really. The salt would be amazing, and while I know Trump isn't solely responsible, ISIS has been nearly eliminated, and now this.
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Imagine the salt that would be produced :story:
 
Thelostcup said:
NK is getting to the point where it can't sustain itself to even keep manufacturing a war machine, so maybe fat boy just wants to actually trade and do business with other countries.
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This is my understand of what's happening with NK. Based on things I've read and heard, Kim Jong Un particularly wants, and has wanted, to open up the borders to tourism for a while. Certainly that's because he wants the money it would bring in, but I also suspect he is looking for a way to legitimize NK (and his rule) in the eyes of the world. That isn't to suggest he's willing to give up his position and free the NK people, but it would be a gradual way to lower tensions with the West without losing face.
 
Manly-Chicken said:
So, real talk:
How much of this is actually thanks to Trump?

This isn't me saying "Trump didn't do shit!" or "Trump is a 4D chess master!", I'm legitimately just an uninformed tard that wants to hear what people who actually know about the situation think.
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Well the Norks knew the old "kicking and screaming" shit wasn't going to work any more. Normally the cha-cha-cha back and forth is North Korea kicks off for a bit, then the six nations bribes them with food. When they started to threaten Guam the US under Trump told them to get fucked. Which rather puts a stick in the wheel of the routine and likely sent the regime into panic mode.

One thing that should be noted (and hilariously ignored in this thread) is that North Korea has stated the reason why it's adopting a more peaceful tone and abandoning its program is because said program is complete. They have bombs they can put on missiles which can hit the west coast of the USA and all of mainland Europe. They now know no country will risk a ground invasion, not even the Chinese as a result of this.

This doesn't, however, change the matter of their mainstay military. Your average North Korean soldier is on just 500 calories a day, and their fighter pilots are on 700 calories a day.

The majority of their equipment is stuff that were chinese knockoffs of soviet export kit and hand-me-downs from the soviets. The vast majority of their military is still somewhere in the 1960s with their mainstay tanks being the same class as the "Lions of Babylon" that went point blank with M1 abrams and were annihilated.
 

The best part of the video is at 4:00 where they play the tape from when the teacher held Christian Chandler down and recorded his screams. I was always wondering when that was going to get released.
 
It's HK-47 said:
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This was only six months ago. Look how far we've come, since. There are very good reasons that I constantly tout unbridled, endless optimism. The world is changing for the better faster than people yet understand, and everyone who wants to drag us backwards into the abhorrent negativity of the past can do nothing to stop it.

It's all about letting them "save face" for once, instead of trying to do what we've always done in the past by grinding a dictator's face into the dirt. It never worked. It made everything worse, so that strategy's off the table. Now, these regime leaders get to function as the catalyst for their country's change. This is how all of the regimes are going to "fall" because this is the only strategy in history that has proven to work. Everyone gets to save face.
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I can't see the Kims going away to live as some private citizen. I think the best possible thing that we may :optimistic: hope for :optimistic:would be if they become a kind of formal, symbolic leader figure that doesn't really dictate policy but is there to be the "working class's hero" and a national 'mascot' .

However, even if there is no unification, which I find likely :reality:, and the two countries just manage to live together with some limited trade and somewhat neutral and placid relationship, that's still an amazing improvement to the situation.

And yes, Trump should get a medal even if this goes nothing further than Best Korea just stopping its nuclear tests.
 
That's the thing, Un won't be giving up power, he'll be gaining more of it. The real leaders and power in this world are billionaires. As it was, the guy would've been deposed in 6 years.
Now? Well I hope we all invest in "Un's Rare Earth And Textiles Inc.". Homeboy just ensured he'll be in gold plates lambo's for the rest of his life.
 
This reads like the headline of one of those liberal President Hillary Clinton timeline larps. I think Trump might finally be vindicated in the history books, but it sure as hell is gonna take longer than usual for a President.
 
Darndirty said:
While it would be natural to be cautious, or even cynical about all this one can't help but be a little hopeful. So many people have died since the Korean war started 50 years ago, millions of people probably total. And the average north Korean has suffered conditions no human should have to. There has always only been one Korea, and one Korean people, they still have no recovered from WW2 and what Japan did to them, but they are an ancient country and civilization. I'm under no illusion that the kims have any intention of giving up some kind of power but maybe the people can start to have some progress towards reunification.
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Korea has been fucked over for centuries before the Korean War and Empire of Japan, with the Jurchens/Manchus and the Chinese/Mongols. It's no wonder the Joseon Dynasty was a hermit kingdom by the seventeenth century, but they were never really able to recuperate.
 
A few weeks ago Kim Jong Un was in China, and now this. No doubt China brokered this. Everyone knew they could. Chinese gov may be an asshole but they're not stupid. This somehow works to their advantage.

Peace, they say. China, Russia, North Korea, and Cuba are still Communist. They all do now and will continue to be a threat to freedom, no matter what tweaks they make to the status quo.
 
This is some fucking amazing news, though I'm surprised it's happening now instead of later down the road like I'm sure most of us were thinking. But just signing a peace treaty doesn't mean everything's all sunshine and rainbows now. The road to peace is long and arduous, and takes precious time, care, and patience to produce good fruit like the olive tree that symbolizes such a pure ideology.

It's probably for the best Korea stays split but with open borders. They're like Siamese twins who were surgically separated and can be independent from each other, but just because they're twins, they still wish to enjoy each other's company.
 
Kari Kamiya said:
This is some fucking amazing news, though I'm surprised it's happening now instead of later down the road like I'm sure most of us were thinking. But just signing a peace treaty doesn't mean everything's all sunshine and rainbows now. The road to peace is long and arduous, and takes precious time, care, and patience to produce good fruit like the olive tree that symbolizes such a pure ideology.

It's probably for the best Korea stays split but with open borders. They're like Siamese twins who were surgically separated and can be independent from each other, but just because they're twins, they still wish to enjoy each other's company.
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There's a long road left to go, that's absolutely true, but six months ago everyone kept screaming at us telling us that everyone was going to die, and today North and South Korea signed an official peace agreement. To Hell with negativity, I'll fuckin' take it, that's a great start.

Iran, you're up next.
 
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This reminds me of a couple that broke up for awhile, but are now starting to text again and talk about getting back together.
The south is a romantic and really want to fix them because they're kinda into bad boys, and the north just wants to fuck and split rent again.
 
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