Kingdom Come Deliverance - Or how I stopped worrying about SJW and love Bohemia | Now with betrayal and a lot more niggers. "Historically accurate." BlackRock ruined the series.

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The game goes so much out of it way to humiliate Henry at any chance. Oh, you picked the option for Theresa being Henry’s love in the intro? Hans still wants to fuck you. Oh, you chose to take the torture and not rat out on your allies? Godwin just tells them instead, and everyone acts like it’s YOUR fucking fault. Oh, you killed the bastard who burnt down your village? Your parents don’t love you anymore, CHUD!

Literal worse narrative decisions towards the second half of the game than TLoU 2, it’s actually fucking goofy how much of a fuck you this game feels to someone who bought the first game on day one. Even the combat had to be dumbed down so normies don’t need to learn real combos and only need to mash the attack button to win, seriously, fuck whoever decided that stabbing should take up the entire bottom portion of the combat stance instead of just being mapped to a specific button.
 
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Even the combat had to be dumbed down so normies don’t need to learn real combos and only need to mash the attack button to win,
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Even the animations for combat aren't smooth compared to the first game, plus you can't even pull off combos
because every enemy type knows perfect blocking from the start of the game, thus you are stuck with the dogshit
parry-counterattack loop until you get masterstrike.
 
Buster Scruggs said:
The game goes so much out of it way to humiliate Henry at any chance. Oh, you picked the option for Theresa being Henry’s love in the intro? Hans still wants to fuck you. Oh, you chose to take the torture and not rat out on your allies? Godwin just tells them instead, and everyone acts like it’s YOUR fucking fault. Oh, you killed the bastard who burnt down you village? Your parents don’t love you anymore, CHUD!

Literal worse narrative decisions towards the second half of the game than TLoU 2, it’s actually fucking goofy how much of a fuck you this game feels to someone who bought the first game on day one. Even the combat had to be dumbed down so normies don’t need to learn real combos and only need to mash the attack button to win, seriously, fuck whoever decided that stabbing should take up the entire bottom portion of the combat stance instead of just being mapped to a specific button.
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Or even that chick at the wedding..
If you dont sleep with her at the first chance she drugs you and has her way with Henry and Henrys only dialouge is to apologise.
If you do sleep with her while of sound mind she will tell Henry that he's shit at sex.

Then there is the peculiar game design choices when player choice is offred. As you said the torture segment.
Then there is the cumans you meet in the first village. Why is it even an option to forgive them? It dosen't make sense with Henry character. Later you meet the jews of kuttenberg and have no option but to side with them as they call you a stupid goy and belittle you.

Or that part when your forced to lick corpses so you can help the jewish mill owner build his golem.
 
Buster Scruggs said:
The game goes so much out of it way to humiliate Henry at any chance. Oh, you picked the option for Theresa being Henry’s love in the intro? Hans still wants to fuck you. Oh, you chose to take the torture and not rat out on your allies? Godwin just tells them instead, and everyone acts like it’s YOUR fucking fault. Oh, you killed the bastard who burnt down your village? Your parents don’t love you anymore, CHUD!

Literal worse narrative decisions towards the second half of the game than TLoU 2, it’s actually fucking goofy how much of a fuck you this game feels to someone who bought the first game on day one. Even the combat had to be dumbed down so normies don’t need to learn real combos and only need to mash the attack button to win, seriously, fuck whoever decided that stabbing should take up the entire bottom portion of the combat stance instead of just being mapped to a specific button.
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I think it's telling just how many people defended all this, even in this thread. Vavra, Warhorse and Embracer knew they would get away with it since Czechs/Kingdom Come fanboys/"Anti Woke" are retarded, spineless niggercattle that would lick shit covered corpses IRL with a smile. Little wonder why gaming sucks now.
These people I just talked about are supposed to be "the last holdout against the woke" btw, the reddit resistance if you will.
 
30+GameOvers said:
I think it's telling just how many people defended all this, even in this thread. Vavra, Warhorse and Embracer knew they would get away with it since Czechs/Kingdom Come fanboys/"Anti Woke" are retarded, spineless niggercattle that would lick shit covered corpses IRL with a smile. Little wonder why gaming sucks now.
These people I just talked about are supposed to be "the last holdout against the woke" btw, the reddit resistance if you will.
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After years of experiencing this "culture war" and seeing both sides, I've come to the conclusion that the anti-woke crowd is even more easily deluded than the woke crowd. The woke crowd at least attaches themselves to a credo, and they're not afraid of dropping their own celebs like JK Rowling if said celebrity says or does something that doesn't go along with the woke ideology. Hell, nine times out of ten, the wokies are attacking moderate leftists who didn't go far enough, prior to Trump entering the political sphere.

Anti-woke people will attach themselves to an individual or group of their choice, say they're better since they're anti-woke, and when said person or group goes woke or becomes cringe, these defenders will deny it all the way. They're cultists, at this point. Vavra can come out tomorrow as a trans woman, with purple hair and a pink tu-tu, and you'll see these people defending him and saying that trannies aren't woke, even as he already shits on Christianity in favor of Islam and Judaism, just as the Left used to do back in the day before they declared war on hot anime women and anything that appeals to the "male fantasy".
 
30+GameOvers said:
I think it's telling just how many people defended all this, even in this thread. Vavra, Warhorse and Embracer knew they would get away with it since Czechs/Kingdom Come fanboys/"Anti Woke" are retarded, spineless niggercattle that would lick shit covered corpses IRL with a smile. Little wonder why gaming sucks now.
These people I just talked about are supposed to be "the last holdout against the woke" btw, the reddit resistance if you will.
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The consolation, for what it's worth, is that this shit only works once. Vavra will never again be able to pull off the "rogue anti-woke champion oh lol just kidding bait & switch here's your fag protagonist!" shtick again now that people know it's what he is. That and the whole "well our first game was anti-woke so of course the next bigger one is too!" thing will be met with even more scrutiny from now on too.
 
moocow said:
The consolation, for what it's worth, is that this shit only works once. Vavra will never again be able to pull off the "rogue anti-woke champion oh lol just kidding bait & switch here's your fag protagonist!" shtick again now that people know it's what he is. That and the whole "well our first game was anti-woke so of course the next bigger one is too!" thing will be met with even more scrutiny from now on too.
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Doubtful, I agree with what
LORD IMPERATOR said:
Anti-woke people will attach themselves to an individual or group of their choice, say they're better since they're anti-woke, and when said person or group goes woke or becomes cringe, these defenders will deny it all the way. They're cultists, at this point. Vavra can come out tomorrow as a trans woman, with purple hair and a pink tu-tu, and you'll see these people defending him and saying that trannies aren't woke, even as he already shits on Christianity in favor of Islam and Judaism, just as the Left used to do back in the day before they declared war on hot anime women and anything that appeals to the "male fantasy".
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said, anti-wokies just don't have the spine to say "no" or try and drop someone.
 
30+GameOvers said:
anti-wokies just don't have the spine to say "no" or try and drop someone.
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Wokies follow a belief system, anti-wokies follow a person or a group. The wokies only tolerate you so long as you follow their belief system 100%. The moment you deviate from it, they attack. They're united in their support for immigration, social justice, socialism, pro-LGBTQ, and feminism. Religious values might differ, but those five key points are things they're solid on.

On the flipside, anti-wokies are not that united. Some are old conservatives or religious people seeking a way to stick it to the Leftists after being driven out of public discourse by the latter. Others are moderate leftists who despise the SJWs, but also don't like the conservatives. Still others are just people who want to be left alone to enjoy what they want. They're not that united, and what unifies them is whenever someone or something tells the wokesters to get bent, and they become fans of said person or group. Their basis then becomes less about ideology, and more about defending or worshiping a certain person or group.

The problem is, their attachment to said individuals or groups goes to the point where they blindly trust said individual or group, and they're willing to take their preferred individual or group's word over things like objective truth or critical thinking. The end result is a hodge-podge of people who like certain groups or persons, the only unifying trait of which is that they're anti-woke, but the people who follow these groups or persons treat every word their idols say as gospel. Even if it comes at the detriment of the actual Gospel. Or any actual right-wing or non-woke ideology. Some of them might defend higher taxation, others might attack other non-woke individuals, groups, or content.

Or in this case, they might defend an individual or group even if they do go woke, denying that they're woke and saying that they're still good. These people are that desperate for SOMETHING to not be woke here in the West, that they'll defend Vavra and his company even after they added man-wich scenes to avoid being accused of sexism (if they were truly anti-woke, they'd wear that accusation with pride) and they bash Christianity in favor of Judaism and Islam like some Leftist back in the 2010s.

At this point, any doubts about them being woke got swatted aside when Henry's character was literally turned into a cuck; he gets raped by a woman, he gets propositioned for gay sex, he can't defend his faith from heathens who badmouth it, and if he takes vengeance against his family's killers, he's shamed by that very same family's Force ghosts. They cut of his metaphorical balls and made him the bitch of women and heathens. So much for a realistic game set in Medieval Christian Europe. No man or knight would settle for such an insult.
 
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The consolation, for what it's worth, is that this shit only works once. Vavra will never again be able to pull off the "rogue anti-woke champion oh lol just kidding bait & switch here's your fag protagonist!" shtick again now that people know it's what he is. That and the whole "well our first game was anti-woke so of course the next bigger one is too!" thing will be met with even more scrutiny from now on too.
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I think you're right, but I think it's broadly applicable to anytime a company does a bait and switch with its product. Obfuscation via marketing to hide a game's flaws isn't new (Oblivion's radiant AI was shown off once and never again since it ended up being shit), but hiding the fact your game hates the people playing it and who enjoyed the previous entry (or entries) is kind of rare.

1. Last of Us 2: kills Joel when the game was marketed game on premise of more Joel, whilst making sure to shit on everything he did in the first game. (Naughty Dog also remove a note from re-releases of the first game that made Joel's actions more ambiguous/justified to justify what they did.)
2. KCD2: Henry is is gay-washed, made to eat shit and humiliated throughout game, with anachronistic Jews and an out of place black man shitting on the people who wanted it to be faithful to the time - all hidden past the refund window.
3. Monkey Island remake: ending of game shits on people who played the new game and were fans of the series

On KiwiFarms we've seen some lolcows become lolcows because the instant they start shitting on sections of their own audience it typically precedes a long term decline. Firstly, they lose the portion of the audience they offended, with former fans becoming detractors, then the downward spiral usually follows as they can't look anywhere without seeing slap-fights about themselves or just outright hate directed at them personally. All the discourse surrounding them becomes contentious and it permeates as an off-putting 'vibe' that makes them unpalatable to potential new fans. Then they stagnate/decline in terms of growth and financial support over time as enthusiasm wanes. Think of an overtly 'anti-woke' creator who became 'woke', check their graphtreon stats, and it's very likely you'll see their paid membership spike with their rugpull but then gradually decline ('Gaming' ones I can think of are TheActMan, ChrisRayGun, Worthabuy) and whilst the views might still be there, the enthusiasm or desire to support them beyond that fades.

I think a studio that does this will suffer long-term consequences. Aside from the example you raised of people not trusting Vavra/Warhorse again, I'd argue we also see something akin to what happened with Naughty Dog. The company is a husk of its former self, kept alive via Sony and re-releasing the same pair of games over and over, with the passionate defence of the controversial title not being reflected in its sales (10 mil for Last of Us 2 and its re-releases, versus 30 mil for Last of Us 1), and their new sci-fi title is already divisive online. KCD2 might end up mirroring this, as it won't sell as many copies as the original (8 million, so far KCD2 has stopped at less than 3 million) and the DLC coming out likely won't reignite the enthusiasm that compelled people to defend it in the first place. Only 24% of people who played the game completed its main story, which is on par with Starfield at 19%, which similarly didn't see any spike in player numbers with its DLC release and had a politically motivated defence force online due to "fucking pronouns!" and whatnot.

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Considering how quickly the conversation around AC: Shadows/Avowed died, I think the 'anti-woke' crowd is getting better at... doing nothing, essentially. Whilst those sorts of releases are mocked in the short-term, they drop off everybody's radar right after. There's no emotional attachment there on the same level of hate-filled intensity like you'd see from the opposing side (There were active calls to boycott Hogwarts Legacy where a 'woke' game is simply mocked my anti-woke E-celebs and not bought). Compare how long the discourse around Vavra and KCD2 lasted compared to the still-ongoing seethe against people like Rowling. The level of emotional attachment they hold for things they dislike persists for far longer, and due to how strongly they feel it's likely to inspire more individual action (tweets, videos, etcetera). I dislike the Last of Us 2 on principle but I'm not actively cyber-stalking Druckman to remind him of that every time he tweets.

Right now the 'anti-woke' side are rewarded through through inaction and apathy, and get their catharsis from others doing the shit-talking on their behalf. That's why you don't get a Rowling-esque concerted campaign of denouncement of a product or 'traitors' to the cause, because non-engagement gets you the desired result anyway.

I also think the anti-woke crowd do drop people, they're just quieter about it, approaching it in the same way they do an undesirable product: Don't buy/ignore = Unfollow/ignore.

Online activism/cancelling has been lambasted as gay and cringe for more than a decade now, especially by the Right-aligned anti-woke crowd (a sentiment echoed on this website, "not your personal army", no raiding, etcetera) so participating in concerted efforts to make sure everybody knows X is a piece of shit and no longer 'welcome' on an individual level across the internet just isn't something that's done.

TLDR: Anti-woke crowd 'wins' by doing nothing, thus even discourse is quick to die as a result — Damnatio memoriae (AC: Shadows, Avowed, South of Midnight, Veilguard, etcetera). KCD2 sales (under 3 million) were helped through obfuscation like the Last of Us 2. Naughty Dog is stuck re-selling remastered copies of the same two games as a consequence, with the 2nd game never selling as well as the first. Starfield comparison because the game sold 'well' but had zero longevity and the DLC did fuck-all. The long term consequences of someone who was 'anti-woke' rug pulling is yet to be seen, but it doesn't appear to be positive or translate to long-lasting yields (the game still hasn't broken 3 million sales after 2 months, Last of us 2 did not sell as well as the first, Anti-woke-to-woke is not a profitable path for content creators). Anti-wokes crowd don't exert the same level of attachment/emotionality to individuals online as their opponents do — if standards aren't met, then the reaction is ultimately detachment.
 
Latest update on Luke Dale's discord server: he was called out because he was following JK Rowling. The whole server exploded into discourse before he was finally publicly shamed into unfollowing her.
 
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Latest update on Luke Dale's discord server: he was called out because he was following JK Rowling. The whole server exploded into discourse before he was finally publicly shamed into unfollowing her.
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You get the fanbase you fucking deserve, Warhorse. Hope the sub-3 million sales was worth it (it absolutely wasn't)
 
>IMPLYING said:
Considering how quickly the conversation around AC: Shadows/Avowed died, I think the 'anti-woke' crowd is getting better at... doing nothing, essentially.
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As they say, the opposite of love isn't hate, but apathy, and the woketards never actually buy whatever product was made for to them - they are, economically speaking, a nonentity. Pandering to them actively alienates vast swathes of the market.

It's not just chuds that they motivate to walk away with their antics. Normies, both male and female, want the characters to be attractive, no one is going to pay money to be subjected to a digital, Marxist struggle session and crying racism leaves everyone outside the West completely nonplussed, while the fetishizing of niggers brings out active hostility,

>IMPLYING said:
he level of emotional attachment they hold for things they dislike persists for far longer, and due to how strongly they feel it's likely to inspire more individual action (tweets, videos, etcetera).
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They only have as much power as these content creators are willing to give them, since they ultimately represent a tiny minority of freaks everyone else despises.

When the chuds decide to boycott a product the bottom line is impacted, when the left chimps out and the person/company don't budge fuckall happens beyond them screaming into the ether.

Remove Finkbucks and taxpayer funds and the whole gaming industry would collapse within half a year, the only publishers and developers left standing would be the ones that were willing to bend the knee to actual costumers and purge their ranks of activists.

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I also think the anti-woke crowd do drop people, they're just quieter about it, approaching it in the same way they do an undesirable product: Don't buy/ignore = Unfollow/ignore.
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Pretty much, yes. We've learned that it's pointless to complain and voice our displeasure at companies that decide to go woke, since all we're going to get in return is mockery and derision from their employees, so why waste the energy?

Once you get into the habit of detaching yourself from an IP you liked, the process becomes easier with each subsequent "this IP is for everyone" /" it's not for you, chud" episode.
 
Prince Alexander said:
I remembering thinking the original had great potential despite all the jank. All this fucking homosexual Saracen shit is very cringe. Has anyone tried modding out the gay?
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Ooooh, careful with that wrongthink there, lad. There's a thread about doing that on this very site where you'll be told (amid the actual efforts to de-faggify everything) that you're worse than Mega Hitler Satan-McManson Trump himself for even thinking about improving a product for your enjoyment just because you can.

(In case this dripping sarcasm wasn't obvious, I fucking love that thread, both for it being a great idea and for how may insufferable faggots it summoned from the woodwork the instant it went up)
 
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