🐍 In the Clock Tower KingCobraJFS / Josh Saunders - Amateur musician, YouTube Streamer, wandmaker, and self-proclaimed "sexy goth badboy". Perpetually circling the drain.

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Pascal's Wagie said:
In a deposition with the Special Trollsecutor, President Saunders couldn't even recall the year that his bearded dragon Puff disappeared. He also had trouble remembering the recipes to food hacks and the reason he had classified documents pertaining to the America's Strategic Wand stockpile in his trailer.
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This is a false narrative often spouted by white mage supremacists.
 
'Ole Dente said:
Many cows are also like this, it’s been tried, they can’t be helped. They have two paths; Death or jail. APS won’t do anything for him unless Cobra wants it or he’s presented himself as such a real danger to society around him that they’re forced to do something. He’s not any of those things, he just sits in his house, drinks and talks about dumb shit all day.
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I think the funniest part about the recurring "Clint putting Cobes in a home" meme, is in the grand scheme of lolcows, Cobes isn't even close to the worst when it comes to living on his own. The man has been living on his own for 15+ years now with barely any major incidents he mostly keeps 100% to himself. If Cobes deserves to be put in a group home there's a significant portion of society that is probably worse off than him that would be in line, yet for some reason there is this serious hyper fixation on the idea. Compare him to somebody like Ethan Ralph, now HE deserves to be in a group home.
 
That Guy Who Likes The Chili said:
I think the funniest part about the recurring "Clint putting Cobes in a home" meme, is in the grand scheme of lolcows, Cobes isn't even close to the worst when it comes to living on his own. The man has been living on his own for 15+ years now with barely any major incidents he mostly keeps 100% to himself. If Cobes deserves to be put in a group home there's a significant portion of society that is probably worse off than him that would be in line, yet for some reason there is this serious hyper fixation on the idea. Compare him to somebody like Ethan Ralph, now HE deserves to be in a group home.
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Do you think Clint should put Ethan Ralph in a group home?
 
I am simple, I just enjoy watching my dark gothic lord enjoy his doordash treats from wendy's

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God bless faux patriots like Josh who use the sacrifice of veterans as an excuse to butcher the National Anthem and get drunk.
 
Is it hot in Casper today? AC is a waste of money when you would rather get doordash
 

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That Guy Who Likes The Chili said:
I think the funniest part about the recurring "Clint putting Cobes in a home" meme, is in the grand scheme of lolcows, Cobes isn't even close to the worst when it comes to living on his own. The man has been living on his own for 15+ years now with barely any major incidents he mostly keeps 100% to himself. If Cobes deserves to be put in a group home there's a significant portion of society that is probably worse off than him that would be in line, yet for some reason there is this serious hyper fixation on the idea. Compare him to somebody like Ethan Ralph, now HE deserves to be in a group home.
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Yeah. I can count, right now, how many incidents he’s had where he’s presented as a danger to himself and others.

1. Almost set the kitchen on fire with grease and tried to stop it with salt and the word “Stop.”
2. Fucking around with a blowtorch in front of spray cans to light some Arab smoking implement (Eviction 1.)
3. Threatened to stab Scotty’s sister because Scotty’s sister is a fucking mongoloid.
4. Semi-threatened to stab a bartender? Not sure about this one.
5. Tried to off himself with a shotgun, maybe?
6. Tried to, but not really, performatively stab himself with a short sword because he got hammered on Peach Schnapps and felt ashamed for destroying his guitar.

That’s over almost two decades, that’s pretty good all things considered. I’m tempted to include “Destroyed the apartment complex’s
washing machines” but I’m sure that was Jessica and it wouldn’t be fair to attribute it to him.
 
'Ole Dente said:
Yeah. I can count, right now, how many incidents he’s had where he’s presented as a danger to himself and others.

1. Almost set the kitchen on fire with grease and tried to stop it with salt and the word “Stop.”
2. Fucking around with a blowtorch in front of spray cans to light some Arab smoking implement (Eviction 1.)
3. Threatened to stab Scotty’s sister because Scotty’s sister is a fucking mongoloid.
4. Semi-threatened to stab a bartender? Not sure about this one.
5. Tried to off himself with a shotgun, maybe?
6. Tried to, but not really, performatively stab himself with a short sword because he got hammered on Peach Schnapps and felt ashamed for destroying his guitar.

That’s over almost two decades, that’s pretty good all things considered. I’m tempted to include “Destroyed the apartment complex’s
washing machines” but I’m sure that was Jessica and it wouldn’t be fair to attribute it to him.
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The last one was just him being performatively emo after the breakup with Stephanie. Everything else though? The BOY has plot armor thicker than Bossmanjack's. There were so many times where he could have hurt himself and others indirectly but he always seems to drunkenly stumble through it all and live to drink alone and do nothing the next day. And that's not even getting into all the times he's failed upwards.

The worst consequences he faces for his non health related bad decisions are 2 evictions so far, a stern talking to from Clint and the occasional run in with the cops that never amounts to any real charges being pressed.
 
'Ole Dente said:
No, Clint could not actually do this. In order to involuntarily commit somebody in Wyoming, their mental illness needs to clearly present as a danger to themselves or others, precluding addiction. This involves mental examination by a professional and a lengthy court process and any U.S judge, particularly in Wyoming, is going to operate with extreme caution when it comes to depriving a vulnerable citizen of their liberties.
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While I am aware that Wyoming does not consider developmental disabilities and addiction to drugs or alcohol on its own as ground for commitment, when it appears in combination with mental illness the calculation changes.

WYO. STAT. ANN. § 25-10-109(a). A person may be detained when: i. A law enforcement officer or examiner has reasonable cause to believe a person is mentally ill pursuant to W.S. 25-10-101; ii. A court has entered an ex parte order for immediate detention of a person pursuant to W.S. 25-10-110.1(h); iii. A hospital revokes convalescent status release of a person pursuant to W.S. 25-10-127(b) based on a previous or current determination of mental illness. WYO. STAT. ANN. § 25-10-101(a)(ix). (Effective July 1, 2024) “Mental illness” and “mentally ill” mean a physical, emotional, mental or behavioral disorder which causes a person to be dangerous to himself or others and which requires treatment, but do not include addiction to drugs or alcohol, drug or alcohol intoxication or developmental disabilities, except when one (1) or more of those conditions co-occurs as a secondary diagnosis with a mental illness;

WYO. STAT. ANN. § 25-10-101(a)(ix). (Effective July 1, 2024) “Mental illness” and “mentally ill” mean a physical, emotional, mental or behavioral disorder which causes a person to be dangerous to himself or others and which requires treatment, but do not include addiction to drugs or alcohol, drug or alcohol intoxication or developmental disabilities, except when one (1) or more of those conditions co-occurs as a secondary diagnosis with a mental illness; WYO. STAT. ANN. § 25-10-101(a)(ii). (Effective July 1, 2024) “Dangerous to himself or others” means that, as a result of mental illness, a person: (A) Evidences a substantial probability of physical harm to himself as manifested by evidence of recent threats of or attempts at suicide or serious bodily harm; or (B) Evidences a substantial probability of physical harm to other individuals as manifested by a recent overt homicidal act, attempt or threat or other violent act, attempt or threat which places others in reasonable fear of serious physical harm to them; or (C) Evidences behavior manifested by recent acts or omissions that, due to mental illness, he is unable to satisfy basic needs for nourishment, essential medical care, shelter or safety so that a substantial probability exists that death, serious physical injury, serious physical debilitation, serious mental debilitation, destabilization from lack of or refusal to take prescribed psychotropic medications for a diagnosed condition or serious physical disease will imminently ensue, unless the individual receives prompt and adequate treatment for this mental illness. No person, however, shall be deemed to be unable to satisfy his need for nourishment, essential medical care, shelter or safety if he is able to satisfy those needs with the supervision and assistance of others who are willing and available; (D) While this definition requires evidence of recent acts or omissions of endangerment, either to self or others, a court may consider a person’s mental health history in determining whether directed outpatient commitment or involuntary hospitalization is warranted.

With his collection of mental illnesses, including diagnosed schizophrenia, history of depression, and suicide baiting/attempts with drugs, with many admissions to this being on video, fellating his shotgun, handling and loading his shotgun in a drunken stupor, he is very much a candidate for a 72-hour involuntary hold which includes an assessment by a licensed mental health worker within 24 hours of commitment. Following this a court hearing must occur to find if mental illness is present and if the individual is considered competent.

As such I am still of the belief Clint could do it if he was willing to put in the effort and considered caring for Josh more important than his hobbies. I am however not saying it would be a walk in the park or something Clint can just do at a whim with a phone call to someone. He would need to call for state action when Josh has one of his suicidal episodes and most likely act as a witness in court to prove Josh is not competent and has not been caring for himself for at least the last 6-8 years, his repeated overdrafts, teeth issues, drinking every hour of every day, etc..
 
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