🎨 Artcow Ken Penders - Former Archie Sonic Comic Writer/Artist

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Doses anyone known if Ken ever said he want sue Sega for the rights to Knuckles? I remember reading a tweet of his saying he would do it if we could afford to.
 
Halberd Sonichu said:
Doses anyone known if Ken ever said he want sue Sega for the rights to Knuckles? I remember reading a tweet of his saying he would do it if we could afford to.
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Sega would bury him. While they might have fucked up with the Ken-derived characters, Sega can establish Knuckles as their property long before Ken came onto the scene. They'd have to hire a real life Lionel Hutz to fuck that up.
 
Halberd Sonichu said:
Doses anyone known if Ken ever said he want sue Sega for the rights to Knuckles? I remember reading a tweet of his saying he would do it if we could afford to.
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Does he even need Knuckles? His book focuses on Lara-Su and the extended family dealing with "the Protector" being out of the picture. It'd be pointless to go after Knux when he likely won't even show in his projects.
 
RockVolnutt said:
Does he even need Knuckles? His book focuses on Lara-Su and the extended family dealing with "the Protector" being out of the picture. It'd be pointless to go after Knux when he likely won't even show in his projects.
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remind you of anyone?
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This was on my feed and makes a good resource for people like me who never read the comics to understand how cringey the comics books were.

 
Ken Penders has truly lived the dream: he was a Sonic (Or Knuckles in his case) lolcow who got near-absolute control over a Sonic comic for a period, and then successfully sued for the rights of all of his OCs.

The man's a shithead, but fuck, he managed to do what millions of Sonic-fans wished they could have.
 
GentlemanFaggot said:
Ken Penders has truly lived the dream: he was a Sonic (Or Knuckles in his case) lolcow who got near-absolute control over a Sonic comic for a period, and then successfully sued for the rights of all of his OCs.

The man's a shithead, but fuck, he managed to do what millions of Sonic-fans wished they could have.
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I need to track down the sources again if this thread doesn't have them but I heard he ruined once ruined a shot at a Sonic movie being made by showing up instead of the guy SEGA expected and had a chimp out. I also hear he doesn't have a job and leeches off his wife.
 
RockVolnutt said:
I need to track down the sources again if this thread doesn't have them but I heard he ruined once ruined a shot at a Sonic movie being made by showing up instead of the guy SEGA expected and had a chimp out. I also hear he doesn't have a job and leeches off his wife.
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Oh man, haven't heard that one. That'd be like if, when Nintendo and Sega first tried to collaborate on a game, Chris-Chan showed up and was all, "Hmmm, Mario and Sonic at the Olympics is a good idea, but I gotta better one..."
 
GentlemanFaggot said:
Oh man, haven't heard that one. That'd be like if, when Nintendo and Sega first tried to collaborate on a game, Chris-Chan showed up and was all, "Hmmm, Mario and Sonic at the Olympics is a good idea, but I gotta better one..."
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This was the pitch he showed up with murdered any chance of the Sonic movie at the time. Yes, he filmed his children through the window.
 
Billy_Sama said:
This was on my feed and makes a good resource for people like me who never read the comics to understand how cringey the comics books were.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=id=uIvpboKVdrw;t=615
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Going by what this guy mentioned, it sounds like "Operation: End Game" was the last time the comic was halfway good before Ken went off on his own tangent (issues #47-50).
http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Operation:_EndGame

GentlemanFaggot said:
Ken Penders has truly lived the dream: he was a Sonic (Or Knuckles in his case) lolcow who got near-absolute control over a Sonic comic for a period, and then successfully sued for the rights of all of his OCs.

The man's a shithead, but fuck, he managed to do what millions of Sonic-fans wished they could have.
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Certainly something I'm sure a few wished they could've done.

GentlemanFaggot said:
And damn, does it look creepy when he was filming his kids.
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Certainly from the way we pan out of that window!
 
Trilby said:
Going by what this guy mentioned, it sounds like "Operation: End Game" was the last time the comic was halfway good before Ken went off on his own tangent (issues #47-50).
http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Operation:_EndGame
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:offtopic: It became decent again with Ian Flynn writing. He has a good grip on writing licensed material and even talks about taking notes to make things as accurate as possible unlike Penders proudly talking about never even seeing a Sonic game in his life. I'm kinda interested in seeing what Ian does next.
 
ohhhhhhh yessss. I've been waiting for a thread and now i have one. this motherfucker... THIS MOTHERFUCKER...

ruined my favorite comic... the only comic I was reading. not because he's a horrible writer. shockingly, his tales weren't that bad later on. I daresay they were actually pretty fucking awesome.

Then he had to pull "muh cherekters" bullshit and cause that reboot bullshit.
 
RockVolnutt said:
:offtopic: It became decent again with Ian Flynn writing. He has a good grip on writing licensed material and even talks about taking notes to make things as accurate as possible unlike Penders proudly talking about never even seeing a Sonic game in his life. I'm kinda interested in seeing what Ian does next.
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Ken's ideas weren't all total shit. Ken was largely the driving force at the time and his Knuckles comics were actually selling well, & he had written a few good stories for the main comic. He was the one who wrote the End Game arc. When that arc turned out to be a success, they gave him the creative wheel. It can't be denied that he put more effort into worldbuilding than any of his peers, however autistic that may be.

If it weren't for the lolsuit, most of us wouldn't even know his name, let alone consider him a lolcow. The result of his Pyrrhic victory is an unprecedented retcon of story killing proportions with 300 some-odd comic book issues rendered spontaneously & simultaneously invalidated the likes of which will never see a reprint. The irony is by defending his intellectual property, he destroyed all value it had.

What I don't understand is why he sued to acquire sole custody rights of his characters, when instead he could have sued for royalties made from Sonic Chronicles. I'm still wondering why they chose to ape his ideas instead of approaching him for cooperation. You have to admit that what they did was pretty dirty, almost like a deliberate "fuck you!"
 
MarvinTheParanoidAndroid said:
Ken's ideas weren't all total shit. Ken was largely the driving force at the time and his Knuckles comics were actually selling well, & he had written a few good stories for the main comic. He was the one who wrote the End Game arc. When that arc turned out to be a success, they gave him the creative wheel. It can't be denied that he put more effort into worldbuilding than any of his peers, however autistic that may be.

If it weren't for the lolsuit, most of us wouldn't even know his name, let alone consider him a lolcow. The result of his Pyrrhic victory is an unprecedented retcon of story killing proportions with 300 some-odd comic book issues rendered spontaneously & simultaneously invalidated the likes of which will never see a reprint. The irony is by defending his intellectual property, he destroyed all value it had.

What I don't understand is why he sued to acquire sole custody rights of his characters, when instead he could have sued for royalties made from Sonic Chronicles. I'm still wondering why they chose to ape his ideas instead of approaching him for cooperation. You have to admit that what they did was pretty dirty, almost like a deliberate "fuck you!"
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This is a shot in the dark on my part, but I think Ken never really gave a rat's ass about his characters or stories he made for Archie. Odds are if Sonic Chronicles had a different story, Ken wouldn't have bother with a sue. My guess is that when he saw Sonic Chronicles used similar concept to his old work, he saw dollars. He must have thought that the game was going to be super popular and he could possiable piggy back off the success, since odds are that he hasn't had the best luck in finding people to publish his work. He was unaware how much everyone hate it and the flop it become. He continue on to sue thinking he could make a shit ton of dough completely clueless to how much damaged he caused. He not only ruin any value of his creations he had, but he also put in Archie in a bad light in Sega's eyes. Which led to Archie ending the comic, since its relationship with Sega had worsen.

TL;DR: Ken's dumb ass who thought he had a change at success, but really hit self destruct.
 
MarvinTheParanoidAndroid said:
Ken's ideas weren't all total shit. Ken was largely the driving force at the time and his Knuckles comics were actually selling well, & he had written a few good stories for the main comic. He was the one who wrote the End Game arc. When that arc turned out to be a success, they gave him the creative wheel. It can't be denied that he put more effort into worldbuilding than any of his peers, however autistic that may be.

If it weren't for the lolsuit, most of us wouldn't even know his name, let alone consider him a lolcow. The result of his Pyrrhic victory is an unprecedented retcon of story killing proportions with 300 some-odd comic book issues rendered spontaneously & simultaneously invalidated the likes of which will never see a reprint. The irony is by defending his intellectual property, he destroyed all value it had.

What I don't understand is why he sued to acquire sole custody rights of his characters, when instead he could have sued for royalties made from Sonic Chronicles. I'm still wondering why they chose to ape his ideas instead of approaching him for cooperation. You have to admit that what they did was pretty dirty, almost like a deliberate "fuck you!"
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And in the end, Archie Comics pretty much pulled a Dan DeCarlo on its readers.
 
MarvinTheParanoidAndroid said:
If it weren't for the lolsuit, most of us wouldn't even know his name, let alone consider him a lolcow. The result of his Pyrrhic victory is an unprecedented retcon of story killing proportions with 300 some-odd comic book issues rendered spontaneously & simultaneously invalidated the likes of which will never see a reprint. The irony is by defending his intellectual property, he destroyed all value it had.

What I don't understand is why he sued to acquire sole custody rights of his characters, when instead he could have sued for royalties made from Sonic Chronicles. I'm still wondering why they chose to ape his ideas instead of approaching him for cooperation. You have to admit that what they did was pretty dirty, almost like a deliberate "fuck you!"
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Pretty much everyone involved in that situation completely fucked it up. The question is one of degree. If Archie actually completely failed to get him to sign a work for hire agreement on this, they're morons. If they did get him to sign it but he took advantage of the fact they lost it, they're utterly incompetent but he's basically a thief.

In any event, you can bet he'll never work in this town again.

He turned the opportunity to put his autistic OCs into an existing property and get paid for it into career suicide. Congrats on the win, Ken.

Trilby said:
And in the end, Archie Comics pretty much pulled a Dan DeCarlo on its readers.
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Their behavior makes more sense in light of the fact that, as mentioned previously upthread, Archie is basically run by a mentally ill person.
 
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