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🤮 Gross Kelly Ronahan - Vampire Munchie Who Destroyed Her Own Legs
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He’s actually a YouTuber, channel name Sabia and Loren. He was 19 when he had the accident and married his girlfriend, Sabia, a year later.
I wish I could say it was a happy ending. He’s still alive but they’ve mostly stopped posting as his pain doesn’t seem to be controllable. They had enough subs and donations to get a cute house (out in the sticks of Wyoming, I think) but he spends more time in the hospital in Seattle than out. His bucket prosthesis hurts him so he doesn’t sit up often and he was supposed to get some biomechanical super arm that never came through.
They are sweet kids and I hope they just stopped posting rather than the continued medical issues or worse, but it wasn’t looking good last time I checked in.
Loren was 19 at the time of the accident and had a whole healthy life in front if him. It’s very sad what happened. Kelly, OTOH, may still be pretending she has a rare disease but she’s causing herself this harm and deserves no sympathy. Whatever mental illness she has, it’s hard to imagine that therapy and medication couldn’t tone it down, or institutionalize her and monitor her. But she’s never admitted it.
I know life isn’t fair but it’s too bad we couldn’t switch brains. I’m sure Loren would rather be female in a healthy body than male in a body that was cut in half above the naval and missing an arm.
No doctor will give Kelly this operation. Loran has a nephrostomy, a colonostomy, a port- anybody who’d give Kelly that much access to her insides would be just wasting the time it took to do the operation.
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If they amputate any further she'll be able to pick her way to her small intestines and then she's fucking dead. Once sepsis sets in there you have like 24 hours tops even with medical intervention.
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Well, it would be good practice, no? And hey, if she picks into her intestines and disembowels herself, that's that headache for the doctors and nurses over and done with.
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At first, I thought you were making up an operation as a euphemistic joke, like calling a beheading a "cephalectomy".
I didn't know cutting someone in half like a magician is a real procedure.
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I’m not sure it could be that - it’s overwhelmingly male, due to being x linked amd come with a host of metabolic issues. Her kidneys would be shot. Having said that I am increasingly convinced that many disorders that are allegedly asymptomatic in the heterozygous condition do in fact have subtle presentations.
Remember that film ‘annihilation’ that came out a few years ago? Sci fi? I dont know if you’ve read the books it was based on. It they’re extremely disturbing and their main theme is that while very few people commit suicide, a lot of us destroy ourselves in some way.
Self harm is common, whether it’s physical or psychological. She simply has the absolute extreme end of the spectrum. She is sick, as sick as anyone with a physical illness.
How would you treat it? Maybe it’s too entrenched now but before maybe low dose atypical antipsychotic? Plus an antidepressant like mirtazipine. Pimozide has a small dataset on bodily weirdness (troonism for example) but it would be worth a try. Maybe a therapeutic ketamine or ECT or even acid. But she’d need to consent to that and o think she’s lucid enough to not do six
Otherwise I do t know. If you’ve ever met anyone with any form of this you’ll quickly realise it cannot be stopped easily - I know someone who pulled teeth out, and ended up having surgery. Nowhere in the same league as Kelly, but same spectrum I’d bet. She’s determined to destroy herself - and I think that’s more common than we like to think, it’s just that pain and shock and habit hold most people back.
Perhaps an old fashioned religious approach might have worked better in the past - maybe she needs an exorcism rather than mirtazipine amd brexpiprazole…
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I mean, a lobotomy would work right?
I know they don't do them anymore but this is a special case, if she has no frontal lobe she's not gonna want to pick at herself, she'll just sit there like RP McMurphy at the end of One Flew Over the Cuckoos nest.
It's sounds extreme, but it's better for her than the alternative.
What about a chemical lobotomy, just massive doses of Thorazine, or Seconal, just keep her Zombied out?
I know they don't do them anymore but this is a special case, if she has no frontal lobe she's not gonna want to pick at herself, she'll just sit there like RP McMurphy at the end of One Flew Over the Cuckoos nest.
It's sounds extreme, but it's better for her than the alternative.
What about a chemical lobotomy, just massive doses of Thorazine, or Seconal, just keep her Zombied out?
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She might turn into the first real penanggalan.
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I guess the need for attention really is that bad. The less mobile she is, the more she requires others to care for her.
As fucked up as what Kelly has done (and continues to do) is, I can't say it's more fucked up than like Marybeth Tinning murdering babies for munchie attention or other by-proxy child abuse horror stories. Just fucked up in a different way.
Do munchies ever get actually diagnosed with Munchausens? Have any ever been successfully treated? Seems like a mental illness with pretty poor prognosis.
As fucked up as what Kelly has done (and continues to do) is, I can't say it's more fucked up than like Marybeth Tinning murdering babies for munchie attention or other by-proxy child abuse horror stories. Just fucked up in a different way.
Do munchies ever get actually diagnosed with Munchausens? Have any ever been successfully treated? Seems like a mental illness with pretty poor prognosis.
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I would say it's more fucked up than Munchausen by proxy simply because as human beings we are hard wired to survive and to fight for survival. I feel like it would be easier to inflict harm on others than on oneself, were that what one wanted.
That said, MBP cases like Marybeth Tinning and Gypsy Rose Blanchard are 10000% more tragic than Kelly, because Kelly is doing this to herself and the only victim is also the perpetrator.
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Is this the one time a lobotomy would be ethical?
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The quote button is being finicky for me right now but to whoever beought up that the half body amputation was that 19 year old kid, thank you, I hadnt kept up with him and a while and totally forgotten about him.
I feel so bad for him. When he got to rhe hospital they basically told him what was up and asked him straight up if he even wanted the operation or to just let him pass. At 19 l, I cant say I totally blame him, but it has got to be such a difficult life. He didnt just loose his body, pelvis and all down. He lost his dominant arm as well. From what I understand, much of the pain he is experiencing isnt just physical, but also phantom pains, which narcotics dont really address.
I wonder if he ever regrets stating that he wanted to try and live when they first got him to the hospital...
Heres the ct scan of when he arrived at the hospital. I also found his case file here:
Warning, its fairly graphic
I feel so bad for him. When he got to rhe hospital they basically told him what was up and asked him straight up if he even wanted the operation or to just let him pass. At 19 l, I cant say I totally blame him, but it has got to be such a difficult life. He didnt just loose his body, pelvis and all down. He lost his dominant arm as well. From what I understand, much of the pain he is experiencing isnt just physical, but also phantom pains, which narcotics dont really address.
I wonder if he ever regrets stating that he wanted to try and live when they first got him to the hospital...
Heres the ct scan of when he arrived at the hospital. I also found his case file here:
Warning, its fairly graphic
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Genuinely, at this point, if she makes it any worse by way of needing more amputations, they might have reason to be able to admit her against her will to a psychiatric facility. Her ability to cause sepsis by picking at her torso is absolutely correct, although I can't vouch for how quickly it would set in.
Of course, there's no guarantee she'd use her torso as her next preferred spot. She still has a perfectly good set of arms to pick, not to mention her scalp and face. Then again, picking at her arms could lead to her needing those amputated down the line, and picking her head or face even half as severely as she picked her legs would also lead to dangerous infection, because of their proximity to the brain.
Any way you look at it, if she doesn't get proper treatment for her disorder, her story will end in either institutionalization or death. I don't think Canada is very inclined to hospitalize someone just for dermatillomania, though, even when it's as extreme as Kelly's. If they were going to do that, you'd think they'd have already done it.
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I'm shocked that Canadian suicide doctors haven't flown down to her bedside like vultures. Maybe they only want to offer medical suicide to people who could actually recover?
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Jesus Christ... That’s brutal.
Here’s the text/pics from the link if anyone else is interested:
Case presentation
A teenage man was involved in a forklift rollover resulting in a crush injury to his pelvis, left thigh, and right forearm. He presented to a level three trauma center with a Glasgow Coma Scale of 15 and was stabilized, including endotracheal intubation, placement of a left chest tube for pneumothorax, application of a right upper extremity tourniquet, application of a pelvic binder, and massive transfusion. Angiography was performed for pelvic bleeding concerns and demonstrated thrombosis at the iliac bifurcation.
Due to the complexity of his injuries, he was transferred to a level one trauma center where his examination was notable for a large left groin wound with gross feculent contamination. He had significant left thigh and perineal degloving and absence of bilateral lower extremity pulses. His right upper extremity remained with a tourniquet in place above the elbow, and nearly complete amputation distally. The patient was taken immediately to the operating room where he was found to have ischemic left colon and rectum, perineal degloving, and avulsion of the bladder dome. He sustained catastrophic disruption of his pelvic ring including spinopelvic dissociation, severe comminuted fractures throughout the entire left innominate bone, and complete dissociation of the right hemipelvis.
All bone was dysvascular. There were no viable targets for revascularization of the right lower extremity. The right upper extremity was ischemic and not viable distal to the tourniquet, which had been in place for greater than 6 hours.
The sigmoid colon and rectum were resected and the ureters ligated. The Orthopedic team performed an acute internal left hemipelvectomy. On the right, an above knee guillotine amputation was performed, allowing more proximal tissue to demarcate viability for later coverage. The right upper extremity was amputated above the elbow. The patient was transferred to the intensive care unit for ongoing resuscitation.
On hospital day (HD) 1, the patient underwent percutaneous placement of bilateral nephrostomy tubes. On HD2, he returned to the operating room for creation of an end colostomy and additional debridement, leaving him with a non-viable right pelvis, including the innominate and sacrum, genitalia, and right lower extremity. On HD4, he was extubated, allowing for a multidisciplinary goals of care discussion with the patient and his family. The patient determined his goal was for longevity and recovery.
What would you do?
- Advise comfort measures.
- Aggressive debridement with attempt at primary closure.
- Hemicorporectomy with non-permanent mesh.
- Hemicorporectomy with permanent mesh.
What we did and why
Removal of the non-viable tissue required amputation through the L4/L5 disk space with ligation of the thecal sac to prevent cerebrospinal fluid leakage. Necrotic pelvic bone, genitalia, muscle, and soft tissue of the abdominal wall were debrided. The iliac vessels were resected to the level of the common iliacs and oversewn. A temporary abdominal closure was applied with bowel bag covering the open pelvic floor.On HD7, the patient returned to the operating room for closure of his abdomen. A 35 by 35 cm Phasix ST mesh (Becton, Dickinson and Company, Franklin Lakes, NJ), constructed of knitted absorbable monofilament poly-4-hydroxybutyrate fibers coated with a hydrogel, was used to re-enforce the lower abdomen and create a sling for the abdominal contents. The mesh was laid into the retroperitoneum with the coated side facing the abdominal contents. We made two slits to accommodate the ends of the ureters that were brought up to sit on top of the mesh. We folded the mesh and cut a slit anteriorly to produce a more conical shape, which we plicated with non-absorbable suture. We then fixed the mesh laterally to the fascia and muscle of the body wall bilaterally. Approaching from below, we sutured the mesh to the fascia overlying the lumbar spine. We then fixed the mesh to the anterior abdominal fascia lateral to the rectus bilaterally. The bilateral rectus muscles and paraspinous muscles were closed together in two layers over the mesh, and skin was closed primarily over two drains.
The patient’s hospital course was complicated by pulmonary embolism, ileus, pneumonia, intra-abdominal abscess, and acute respiratory failure.
Durable closure of the abdominal cavity was a concern when formalizing the hemicorporectomy. Intra-abdominal mesh placement was chosen to recreate some structure to the lower abdomen, with the goal to prevent evisceration while not further diminishing pulmonary capacity. The field had been highly contaminated and there is limited guidance in the published research regarding mesh use for hemicorporectomy after injury. However, extrapolating from mesh use in a contaminated field during closure of the abdomen after trauma laparotomy, use was considered reasonable. Absorbable, coated mesh was selected to reduce the adhesive burden should the patient later require additional abdominal operations, such as urostomy creation. One year postoperatively, he has completed his inpatient rehabilitation and is living at home.
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MAID is strictly voluntary you have to seek it out and consent to it yourself.
That being said it's viewed as a cost cutting measure and a Canadian friend of mine who is a nurse says doctors will strongly encourage hopeless/terminal patients to consider it so I imagine Kelly had been offered the opportunity numerous times already.
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With this extreme and horrific case, one thing happens to come to my mind. Without powerlevelling or getting OT and boring, a huge and ‘trendy’ topic at the last 5 years of mass medical conventions is the subject of the gut microbiome and it’s large influence on the brain…..via what they call the ‘brain-gut axis.
Example:
Basically, your personal collection of gut flora are vital to your mental health. In fact they’ve treated known ‘depressive’ rodents by giving them infusions of faecal matter from ‘happy’ rodents. Indicating that your collection of gut bacteria is essential to, and very much can alter, the functioning of your brain.
Kelly, over her life of bleeding, picking and infection after infection must have been on many, many courses of different and increasingly strong antibiotics. Over years she must have had tonnes of the stuff, I suspect including reserved drugs, kept back from general use (to minimise resistance).
This must have caused havoc in her intestines and considerably affected her gut microbial makeup. A lot of work lately has shown that a disturbed gut bacterial makeup will alter many things going on in your brain, your mood and behaviours.
I do wonder if her brain is profoundly damaged now and she’s just gone off the deep end.
What we see now seems way beyond basic Munchausen or an excoriation disorder. She has a need to tear herself apart.
There are posts upthread about possible brain issues such as viruses…but I do wonder if half a lifetime of screwed up microbiome has caused this train wreck.
Example:
Basically, your personal collection of gut flora are vital to your mental health. In fact they’ve treated known ‘depressive’ rodents by giving them infusions of faecal matter from ‘happy’ rodents. Indicating that your collection of gut bacteria is essential to, and very much can alter, the functioning of your brain.
Kelly, over her life of bleeding, picking and infection after infection must have been on many, many courses of different and increasingly strong antibiotics. Over years she must have had tonnes of the stuff, I suspect including reserved drugs, kept back from general use (to minimise resistance).
This must have caused havoc in her intestines and considerably affected her gut microbial makeup. A lot of work lately has shown that a disturbed gut bacterial makeup will alter many things going on in your brain, your mood and behaviours.
I do wonder if her brain is profoundly damaged now and she’s just gone off the deep end.
What we see now seems way beyond basic Munchausen or an excoriation disorder. She has a need to tear herself apart.
There are posts upthread about possible brain issues such as viruses…but I do wonder if half a lifetime of screwed up microbiome has caused this train wreck.