Orbiter Kat Speculation - With guest appearances by her sister, Jenna

[Prince Lotor]

Wow looking back at this now to jog the memory, it is fucking huge. I guess I only thought it was a tiny narrow area because it was already lined up with almost empty storage containers,boxes and dressers at the time. He's so fucking lazy that it's all most likely sitting there with maybe even more to the pile. View attachment 712268

Huh, I wonder why Katherine cleared a bunch of "junk" out of that area a few months after moving-in. . .couldn't possibly be to set up a separate bed so she doesn't have to either sleep on the couch or share a bed with 'Gin-sweats' Burnell. I wonder if Phil will still show us the 'nook' now so we can see what it looks like after Katherine got rid of a bunch of "junk" and "broken office chairs" from it or if that is now on the list of off-limits no-go zones because he has "stuff" he doesn't want his 'loyal & generous Twitch audience' and his 'thousands and thousands of avid YouTube fans' to see?

 

[Haunter]

Huh, I wonder why Katherine cleared a bunch of "junk" out of that area a few months after moving-in. . .couldn't possibly be to set up a separate bed so she doesn't have to either sleep on the couch or share a bed with 'Gin-sweats' Burnell. I wonder if Phil will still show us the 'nook' now so we can see what it looks like after Katherine got rid of a bunch of "junk" and "broken office chairs" from it or if that is now on the list of off-limits no-go zones because he has "stuff" he doesn't want his 'loyal & generous Twitch audience' and his 'thousands and thousands of avid YouTube fans' to see?

It's a fine theory, I hate to put holes in it. But during his impromptu phone stream in July, Phil obliged requests to show off the "office" closet, and the "nook". As of July, the nook is still packed to the ceiling with junk.

The upstairs (Bathroom-"Office"-Hallway-"Nook") appears to be open to inquisitive viewers. It's the downstairs that's off-limits ?

 

[kamekmagik]

Phil made no specific comment about who he would invite. You know. Because, as he said yesterday, he had to 'sacrifice his friendships' in the move to Seattle for reasons that were unclear.

You know what's crazy... I have two friends that moved to Seattle and we're still friends and they will be at my wedding. Keeping friendships is extremely easy, but Phil moved and works FULL TIME so he just has no time for friends! Or he can't make or keep any... nah

 

[Sparkletor]

Here's something I was thinking about that I don't think has been discussed to thoroughly. Subaru-Man says he kicked Katherine out of his house immediately upon seeing Katherine messaging Phil in front of him, around mid-July 2017, and had nothing more to do with her. So ostensibly she got kicked out of her rent-free house because of Phil. She showed up at Phil's place with a PC, 4K monitor, and 1 garbage bag of clothes and one of her first orders of business was to spend her meager tax refund on a PS4 Pro. She seemed to have made about as much money in 2017 as someone who worked a minimum wage job for about half the year based on the 2018 return she received. When she was getting kicked out of her post-Subaru-Man housing in mid-January 2017 Phil explained to everyone that this was "great news" because she hadn't wanted to move-in with Phil, and certainly in their nightly phone calls she would say she wasn't even thinking about moving in with Phil until Summer or Fall 2018 or even later.

Why didn't she want to move-in with her "Soulmate" that she was talking to for hours every single night for the last 8 months? We know Phil was willing to spend money on round-trip plane tickets during the holiday season, which also was during the original #SaveTheHouse back-taxes """crisis""", so my question is: how much money do you think Phil was sending Katherine in whatever hovel in Gaylord, Michigan she moved-in to?

Everything about this sounds like a catfish gone wrong, she was happy to stay wherever she was living (I believe with Phil sending her money) until her month-to-month lease on her hovel wasn't offered for renewal due to the place being renovated.

was she living in Gaylord? We know she was raised there according to the demon possession court documents. Subaru man is from there according to his Facebook. Gaylord is in the Northern Lower Peninsula. The arrest records and mental health stuff are from Jackson county, the southern part of the state. At some point she left Gaylord for Jackson. It's possible she moved back to Gaylord. Subaru man also seems to live in Grand Rapids now according to his Facebook.

Do we have any evidence saying where Kat was living when she moved?

 

[Mooty Mooty Mooty]

Dark theory - Phil doesn't want to sell his snort fort in Renton because there are two bodies buried in the basement, two females that vanished after being live-in maids for a while. And all of the money he raises is used to pay someone to delay missing person investigations and keep Phil in the clear.

 

[Filthy Greenskin]

Phil is talking about how he has been discussing marrying Kat. He's currently playing a victim card about being called an e-beggar because he just wants to be with Kat...

Imagine finding out your partner has dreams of marrying you but won't because they can't shake enough money out of their twitch viewers.

 

[Prince Lotor]

It's a fine theory, I hate to put holes in it. But during his impromptu phone stream in July, Phil obliged requests to show off the "office" closet, and the "nook". As of July, the nook is still packed to the ceiling with junk.

The upstairs (Bathroom-"Office"-Hallway-"Nook") appears to be open to inquisitive viewers. It's the downstairs that's off-limits ?

I remembered that too, but I'm pretty sure Phil was talking about her clearing broken office chairs out of there after the July 2018 phone stream, and I like pretending she did it to make room for a small Kat bed in there, and that they don't share a bed and have some odd sleeping/living arrangement. What really pokes holes in my flight of fancy is Phil recently digging statues out of there at like 3 am lol. . .oh well sigh

was she living in Gaylord? We know she was raised there according to the demon possession court documents. Subaru man is from there according to his Facebook. Gaylord is in the Northern Lower Peninsula. The arrest records and mental health stuff are from Jackson county, the southern part of the state. At some point she left Gaylord for Jackson. It's possible she moved back to Gaylord. Subaru man also seems to live in Grand Rapids now according to his Facebook.

Do we have any evidence saying where Kat was living when she moved?

No, sorry. I just got mentally lazy and spat out a place she was "from" instead of where she was living before moving in with Phil. I'm pretty sure wherever she was living in her livestream videos was the place with Subaru-Man, but really have not much of an idea where she went between getting kicked out of his place in July 2017 and moving in with Phil February 2018. . .somewhere that offers 3 month leases as that's what Phil said she was hoping to re-sign in mid-January when she found out the place wasn't being offered due to renovations. I still have no idea what kind of place offers a 3 month lease in the middle of winter in Michigan. I haven't had much experience with short-term rentals but it seems to me Katherine was doing some kind of dumb assuming her short-term rental would be available for her to just re-sign.

 

[Heckler1]

I remembered that too, but I'm pretty sure Phil was talking about her clearing broken office chairs out of there after the July 2018 phone stream, and I like pretending she did it to make room for a small Kat bed in there, and that they don't share a bed and have some odd sleeping/living arrangement. What really pokes holes in my flight of fancy is Phil recently digging statues out of there at like 3 am lol. . .oh well sigh

Phil is hard to keep track of at times, because his personal history is constantly changing based on how he feels when he retells each story. I find a lot of the confusion about him stems from him being a wildly unreliable self narrator who also refuses to admit he might be mis-remembering details

 

[Pubic Enemy #1]

I haven't had much experience with short-term rentals but it seems to me Katherine was doing some kind of dumb assuming her short-term rental would be available for her to just re-sign.

She assumed that she could live on a platform that she doesn't own, going from month-to-month assuming things would always stay the same and never take a downturn? Huh, maybe they are soulmates after all.

 

[SkippyLongbottom]

Did we ever find out how long she was with Subaru man for? With her showing up to Phil's with bare minimum(bag of clothes for instance) kinda strikes me as she got her shit thrown out or was a bit of a couch surfer.

 

[Sparkletor]

Did we ever find out how long she was with Subaru man for? With her showing up to Phil's with bare minimum(bag of clothes for instance) kinda strikes me as she got her shit thrown out or was a bit of a couch surfer.

I'm not 100% but I think there was talk that they used to be high school sweethearts.

 

[Meerkat Ink]

The pro-wrestling part of Phil I do not touch since it wasn't my thing growing up but it's possible.

One thing that did stuck to me was Phil trying to defend himself by saying something along the lines(not word for word or accurate at all by the way):

"...blah blah blah peepul saying me and khet are going on a CRUUIIISE or something..."


That kinda struck me as a bit weird because I haven't seen anyone mention that theory at all, especially here. Note that he didn't mention Disneyland at all so take that for what it is.

He always takes the most extreme theories to showcase, and is almost always talking about extremes. Like when Khet moved in, he whined about "everyone thinking she'll be in all my streams and vlogs and videos" when that was not the case, saying he'll directly have to sell the house if he doesn't get the tax money, this cruise bullshit that I'd just heard tossed around as a joke.

That way he's keeping his sheep in a consistent state of pignosis.

It might be intentional, or he's just not mature enough to understand moderation.

 

[Pargon]

It's the downstairs that's off-limits ?

I'm still sticking with the theory that Kat has been couch surfing since (or shortly after) her arrival. Whether she's trying to sleep or actually unwind because she really is working late shifts and getting home at 2 AM, I can't conceive of a human being able to tolerate Phil's perpetually loud negativity being blasted from two rooms over for hours at a stretch. He mentioned once during the Quarantine Arc that she was sleeping downstairs and we all had a good go at him for kicking his soulmate out the bed because she was turning into the pea under his princess mattress but I maintain that was a minor slip and she's been down there the whole time.

 

[Sparkletor]

I'm still sticking with the theory that Kat has been couch surfing since (or shortly after) her arrival. Whether she's trying to sleep or actually unwind because she really is working late shifts and getting home at 2 AM, I can't conceive of a human being able to tolerate Phil's perpetually loud negativity being blasted from two rooms over for hours at a stretch. He mentioned once during the Quarantine Arc that she was sleeping downstairs and we all had a good go at him for kicking his soulmate out the bed because she was turning into the pea under his princess mattress but I maintain that was a minor slip and she's been down there the whole time.

Remember when Phil hurt his knee because he fell asleep and Kat woke him up telling him to go to bed? Kind of makes sense if Kat was playing games in her "office" until late and went downstairs to sleep and found the pigroach drunkenly passed out on her couch.

I seem to remember "Kat works early mornings so she is asleep by the time my second stream ends". This would imply that Kat doesn't have a problem with going to sleep by herself. We can infer from the 2am drunken tweets and the middle of the night statue emails that Phil is pretty active into the wee hours.

I choose to believe that Kat sleeps on the couch until further evidence contradicts this. It seems a far more likely scenario as opposed to Kat woke up and was scared that it was the middle of the night and Phil wasn't in bed so she went downstairs to get him.

The carbon monoxide house she was linked to was located just south of Flint. It was suspected that the floor layout of this house matched up to her YouTube videos.

Living with Phil is probably no picnic but you could argue it is an upgrade from living in Flint.

 

[ReentryPhantom]

The carbon monoxide house she was linked to was located just south of Flint. It was suspected that the floor layout of this house matched up to her YouTube videos.

Living with Phil is probably no picnic but you could argue it is an upgrade from living in Flint.

I thought she lived in Gaylord, Michigan prior to moving in with Phil?

 

[Prince Lotor]

Did we ever find out how long she was with Subaru man for? With her showing up to Phil's with bare minimum(bag of clothes for instance) kinda strikes me as she got her shit thrown out or was a bit of a couch surfer.

The 'Hair Trick' videos were posted to YouTube September 2014 and Subaru-Man says he kicked her out and had nothing more to do with her in July 2017 so the shortest they were likely together is 3 years. That would put her at like 23 at the latest that she got with Subaru-Man.

I have a feeling that he threw out her shit that she didn't take with her and kept all the electronics that she bought with his money. Her Twitter specifically mentions a new PSVR she purchased when that came out, mentions buying new video game titles every few days for almost 9 months, and when she shows up at Phil's she doesn't seem to have any of that shit and has to buy herself a new PS4 Pro.

 

[James Smith]

I seem to remember "Kat works early mornings so she is asleep by the time my second stream ends".

Yeah but he's also claimed Kat comes home at midnight and that it's her fault he stays up until 2-4 AM.

 

[Sparkletor]

Yeah but he's also claimed Kat comes home at midnight and that it's her fault he stays up until 2-4 AM.

Yes, that is true. I was using that example to show that if Kat woke up in the middle of the night and Phil wasn't in bed she wouldn't be scared or lonely and unable to fall back asleep.

 

[BallBuster]

The people who think she sleeps downstairs, there is merit there but her “office” is another fucking bedroom. 2 fucking cunts using 2 separate bedrooms to just play video games might be the most autistic thing I’ve ever heard. Her bed is definitely in there.

 

[instythot]

Remember when Phil hurt his knee because he fell asleep and Kat woke him up telling him to go to bed? Kind of makes sense if Kat was playing games in her "office" until late and went downstairs to sleep and found the pigroach drunkenly passed out on her couch.

I seem to remember "Kat works early mornings so she is asleep by the time my second stream ends". This would imply that Kat doesn't have a problem with going to sleep by herself. We can infer from the 2am drunken tweets and the middle of the night statue emails that Phil is pretty active into the wee hours.

I choose to believe that Kat sleeps on the couch until further evidence contradicts this. It seems a far more likely scenario as opposed to Kat woke up and was scared that it was the middle of the night and Phil wasn't in bed so she went downstairs to get him.

I would venture that Kat frequently slept on the couch at the beginning of the cohabitation period until she became used to the nocturnal snorting. She came from a relatively fit dude who probably had no breathing issues to Phil, who probably has some sort of sleep apnea if he has a medical device to alleviate snoring. That noise can be a nightmare to get used to