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Who Pressed the ‘Panic Button’ in Kashmir and Why?
Within minutes of a joint press conference by top officials of the army, CRPF and Jammu and Kashmir Police, held at the headquarters of the Srinagar-based 15 Corps on Friday, 2 August, Principal Secretary Home Shaleen Kabra issued a “security advisory” – one that has no precedence in the 30 years of insurgency in the state.
Kabra’s one-sentence advisory, quoting “latest intelligence inputs of terror threats, with specific targeting of the Amarnath Yatra” and “prevailing security situation in the Kashmir Valley” coupled with their “interest of safety and security” called upon all the tourists and pilgrims to “curtail their stay in the valley immediately and take necessary measures to return as soon as possible”.

Virtual Panic Ensues
This, obviously, led to virtual panic across the Valley as thousands of Kashmiris thronged to ATMs, fearing an impending crisis that seemed to be knocking at their doors.

Few seemed to pay heed to assurances offered by government functionaries – from Governor Satya Pal Malik to Divisional Commissioner Baseer Khan and deputy commissioners all saying that there was no need to panic.

Nisar Ahmad Wani, Director of Tourism, Kashmir, had left his office for his residence, in Chanapora neighbourhood of Srinagar, to see off his relatives in a village in Pulwama, whose departure for Hajj was scheduled on Saturday.

Under the divisional commissioner’s orders, he was called back to his office and asked to arrange for transportation of all the 5,000-odd tourists, staying at different hotels and houseboats in Srinagar, besides those staying at tourist resorts in Gulmarg, Pahalgam and Sonmarg.

Even in the thick of the Kargil war, in 1999, none of the tourists had been asked to leave the Valley.

As directed, Wani and his team hired hundreds of private buses and light motor vehicles. By midnight, the Valley was cleared of all the 15,000 pilgrims and around 5,000 tourists.

It was reminiscent of the days when, at the outbreak of militancy in January to April in 1990, thousands of Kashmiri Pandit families had been “evacuated” to Udhampur and Jammu by the governor’s administration.

Threat of Major Terror Attacks

Invariably, in all of its clarifications and assurances, Governor Malik and his administration maintained that shifting of the pilgrims and tourists was prompted by “intelligence inputs” suggesting plans and possibility of major suicide strikes on the tourists and the pilgrims.

The governor asserted that this was the “most vulnerable” group and it was the duty of his government to ensure safety and security of all tourists and pilgrims.

Significantly, the panic on Friday spiralled at a time when war-like preparations were underway and over 28,000 fresh paramilitary personnel were being carried by convoys and Indian Air Force transport planes from New Delhi and other places to Srinagar.

One of the well-placed CRPF officers revealed to The Quint on the condition of anonymity that the actual number of paramilitary personnel being ferried to the Valley, over the last eight days, had touched its target of 1,80,000.

his kind of build-up is unprecedented – arguably in all street turmoils and emergency situations including all elections from 1996 to 2019.

Everybody Groping in the Dark

Senior officers in police, paramilitary forces, army and security agencies, who spoke to The Quint on Friday and Saturday, maintained that nobody in Jammu and Kashmir had an idea of what was imminent.

Some of them said that they had been asked to remain prepared for a turbulence that could be ‘potentially challenging.’

“We have been told that it could be a turmoil of high intensity – post-Burhan Wani strike of 2016 multiplied by 10,” said an officer who claimed that nobody had an idea of the disaster looming ahead.

“Everybody here is making conjectures and speculations. I am sure, nobody below Prime Minister Narendra Modi, Home Minister Amit Shah and National Security Advisor Ajit Doval would be knowing anything,” added the officer, who revealed how an exhaustive contingency plan had been prepared and some sort of a “war room” had been set up at the Police Control Room in Srinagar.

According to him, there was a possibility of a total Internet and telephone shutdown.

“Not more than 350 cellphones and around 2,000 specially arranged satellite phones, mostly in possession of senior government functionaries, would remain functional”, said an officer.

Plugging the Loopholes

Officers of the J&K Police, holding close liaison with the Central intelligence agencies, claimed that the extraordinary security arrangements had been put in place only after it became clear that a large number of meticulously trained IED experts and Pakistani jihadists had managed to sneak into the Valley with the specific mission of attacking the Amarnath Yatra.

“We have plugged all loopholes and we are sure that we would wipe out this fresh drove of the terrorists, as we have eliminated their ace commanders and cadre in the last two years,” said an officer.

Politicians and journalists, nevertheless, have been whispering about the “strong possibilities” of the Modi government’s “plan” to either break the State into three units and make Kashmir a Union Territory or abrogate Article 370 and 35A of the Constitution of India – granting special status to J&K, defining the ‘Permanent Residents’ and restricting the right to inherit or acquire an immovable property only to the State subjects.

Some people are even speculating a military operation against Pakistan. They refer to closing down of some colleges and universities and orders to the students to immediately vacate hotels.

Reports on Saturday said that almost all the students of Jammu and other states have been provided buses and sent out of the Valley.

Abrogation of Article 370 and 35A?

As regards to the speculation of trifurcation of the state and reducing Kashmir to a Union Territory, legal and constitutional experts are almost unanimous in saying that even during Governor’s and President’s Rule, neither President of India nor the Parliament were empowered to take such a decision.

A former Law Secretary, who is now holding a different statutory position, told The Quint that scrapping 35A was easy for the Government of India.

According to him, just a Presidential Order on the recommendation of the Union Cabinet could scrap Article 35A, more so when the State was under President’s rule.

As regards to the abrogation of Article 370, the former Law Secretary said that a number of central laws and amendments had been already applied to Jammu and Kashmir during the current tenure of Governor Malik.

He said that, normally, no central law or constitutional amendment would apply to J&K without a formal recommendation to the President from the representative state government.

“You must have noticed that, in the last few months, a number of such laws and amendments have been straightaway applied to J&K. Article 16(4) A, which grants reservation in promotions to government employees and another insertion, that grants 10 percent reservation in government jobs and admissions in colleges and universities to Economically Weaker Sections, have been straightaway applied to J&K without the recommendation of the representative state government. It is clear enough that if the Government at the Centre wants to abrogate or amend Article 370, they can do it through the same legislative route. They will simply need two-third majority in both Houses of the Parliament,” said the former Law Secretary.
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I hope that article is enough to catch people up. It is notoriously difficult to get remotely accurate news out of the region.

If you all wish to follow the situation as it develops here are a couple of links.


I will be updating this post and thread as time goes on.

Feel free to ask questions, I will answer what I can.
 

Kashmir: Protesters severely injured in pellet gun attacks
Srinagar residents share details of how some protesters are fighting for their lives amid lockdown.
by Adnan Bhat & Zubair Sofi
09 Aug 2019 11:05 GMT

Kashmir: Protesters severely injured in pellet gun attacks

Khan was on his way to a playing field just outside his house when he was attacked, according to his cousin [Adnan Bhat/Al Jazeera]

Srinagar, Indian-administered Kashmir - On Tuesday evening, Asrar Khan, a grade-11 student was on his way to a playing field just outside his house in Ellahi Bagh area of Srinagar, Indian-administred Kashmir.
Moments later, he was being rushed to Shere Kashmir Institute of Medical Science (SKIMS) on a motorcycle, bleeding profusely from his head.
According to eyewitnesses, a returning group of Indian paramilitary troops fired a tear gas shell at the teenager. He was also hit by pellet gun shrapnel in the face. Doctors at the hospital operated on him during the night after CT scans revealed severe internal bleeding in the head.
Another eyewitness said there was no protest in the area prior to the incident.
Khan remains in critical care and doctors are closely monitoring his condition.
A medical official at the hospital told Al Jazeera that the young boy is likely to lose vision in both his eyes if he survives.
"He has suffered serious head injuries and our priority right now is to save his life," said the official who wished to remain anonymous.
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At SKIMS, one of the largest government-run hospitals in Srinagar, there are five to six young boys who have been injured by Indian paramilitary troops since the military crackdown began in the disputed region on Monday, according to the official.
Another boy, from the Bemina area of Srinagar, was hit by a pellet gun shell at close range. He has suffered severe lacerations to his chest but his condition is said to be stable.
Back at the hospital, Khan's cousin Adil said they had no idea the 16-year-old had been injured until a neighbour informed them.
He added that local police officials visited them during the night and asked them to remain calm.
"He is so young, he doesn't deserve to be like this. Just yesterday, he was playing with the sheep we had brought for Eid [Muslim religious festival]," said Adil.

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The 16-year-old was hit by pellets in the head. Two others were also injured. They suffered injuring to back and groin.

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Adil also said his father was allegedly injured when he was turned away by paramilitary troops on his way to the hospital.
A presidential decree issued on Monday revoked Article 370 of India's constitution, which guaranteed special rights to the Muslim-majority state, including the right to its own constitution and autonomy to make laws on all matters, except defence, communications and foreign affairs.
Ahead of the announcement, the Indian government had launched a strict military clampdown on the seven million residents of the Kashmir valley.
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India tells 'alarmist' Pakistan Kashmir is an 'internal affair'
In an unprecedented clampdown, the Indian government closed schools, banned public meetings and cut off all modes of communication, including internet access and landlines.
Indian paramilitary forces have erected barricades every few hundred metres across Srinagar city to halt civilian movement.
At Lal Chowk, in the centre of Srinagar, speakers mounted on paramilitary vehicles blared warnings that threating anyone seen violating the curfew will be detained.
On August 6, Nazima Bano, a 35-year-old Srinagar resident, was sitting in her house when she heard the sound of bullets and tear canisters.
“I locked the main door of my house and asked my husband and brother-in-law to stay indoors. I heard people chanting slogans against Amit Shah," said Bano.
Bano knew clashes were going on between the protesters and Indian forces very close to her house. In order to seek refuge, the protesters entered houses in the area, including Bano's.
Pakistan officials in uproar over India's Kashmir moves

"I was in the kitchen when I heard loud bangs at the door. I was scared. But before I could see or say anything, the Indian forces entered the courtyard and started beating everyone up,” said Bano.
'He said he will shoot me'
A few of the family members jumped from the first floor to escape while the others were severely beaten up, Bano said.
"Almost 16 armed forces officials started beating him [one protester in her house], some with sticks, some with guns. I jumped out and tried to save him even though I didn’t know him.
"I jumped in because he was so young and it pained me. One official held the gun to my chest said he will shoot me if I stopped them. They kicked me in my stomach and as I fell to the ground, they dragged him out and took him away in their armed vehicle."
Protests have been ongoing in the Indian-administered Kashmir since India's decision on Monday. However, with communications blackout and ban on journalists' movements, the news of the protest has not been shared globally.
Al Jazeera has been getting information from the ground via local journalists using satellite phones, or wifi available in certain parts of the region. Information has also been shared via USB drives that are delivered to the airport and taken to cities in India by passengers.
INTERACTIVE: Kashmir map without Siachen - Aug 7 2019


A few kilometres away from Bano's house, troops used tear gas canisters, pellets and bullets to disperse protesters.
Saleem (name changed) was watching from his window when he saw a man falling to the ground.
“He was my neighbour. But before we could lift him, another person fell. Both of them were hit by pellets in their eyes,” said Saleem.
Due to lack of transport, Saleem sat one of the injured on his motorcycle and reached Shri Maharaja Hari Singh Hospital, crossing more than 20 barricades and checkpoints on his way.
At the hospital, Saleem realised there were many others wounded with bullet and pellet injuries.

“There were a lot of people from mostly south and central Kashmir. My neighbours are 16 and 19. But I was shocked to see a few pellet victims who were younger, one was a four-year-old.
"The government will deny these injuries as there is no proper reporting or documentation of these incidents. We won’t be able to know about most of the casualties."
In Nawab Bazar, Srinagar, Haleema sent her son to check on her relatives who lived a few metres away.
“After half an hour, a neighbour came to me and said my son received pellet wound in his left eye. I asked one of my neighbours to drive me to the hospital. I found my son lying on the bed. There were others as well.
"Right now, Kashmir is on fire. My family members don’t know where we are."
Indian-administered Kashmir cut off from world

SOURCE: AL JAZEERA NEWS
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Pakistan is kind of staring blankly at this. They are worried sure, and the LoC (disputed territory) situation is very tense. They don't seem to know much about what is going on either.

The Pakistan-India Conflict is like the Ukraine-Donbass conflict, always happening and has it's ebbs and flows. The situation is being exacerbated by whatever the hell is going in Indian Kashmir.
Fun fact: Canada is responsible for India and Pakistan having nuclear weapons!

In the 1970s, Pierre Trudeau, the shitbag marxist criminal and father of idiot shitbag Justin Trudeau, was Prime Minister of Canada. Canada was making bank from the UN for selling the CANDU 2 nuclear reactor to third-world countries while Trudeau was blocking the spread of nuclear power plants at home. He was advised by the UN and by the American government not to sell to either India or Pakistan due to the unstable situation between them, because the CANDU 2 could easily be modified to produce the fissionable needed for nuclear arms.

Trudeau loved to piss off the US as much as he could at every turn, but he couldn’t sell to one or the other without looking like Canada was choosing sides between the two countries that were the biggest sources of immigration at the time. Not wanting to lose potential Liberal party voters, he sold to both sides and created the nuclear stalemate that makes the Indo-Pakistani situation so dangerous.
 
More posturing:

India Ready to ‘Move Forward’, Reclaim Pakistan’s Share of Kashmir
Islamabad “should be ready to lose Pakistani-occupied Kashmir”, Gujarat Chief Minister Vijay Rupani was quoted as saying by India Today, using the Indian term for the disputed territory.

The bellicose remark came weeks after India stripped Jammu and Kashmir region of its autonomous status, which the minister said provides an opening for Indian territorial claims.

"Now, Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (PoK) too is ours ... For fulfilling the dream of united India, we are ready to move forward for PoK," he noted.

Both countries were part of British India until the 1947 partition which triggered bitter sectarian divides and led to the Kashmir dispute. India and Pakistan claim Kashmir in full, but control only parts of it.

They fought a number of conventional wars, along with several border skirmishes, most recently this February. At the time, Indian jets bombed what New Delhi said were camps of Islamist insurgent group Jaish-e-Mohammad (JeM), which had carried out numerous terrorist attacks on Indian soil. Islamabad responded with force, and the hostilities ultimately evolved into intense shelling from both sides and open aerial combat.

Relations hit another low last month when India revoked the self-governing status of Jammu and Kashmir.

India claims the move is necessary to curb terrorism and boost Kashmir’s economy, but Pakistan insists it is unlawful and risks stirring up violence in the region. Eventually, both sides engaged in a lingering war of words, threatening each other with coercive measures.
 
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Lol do it faggots.


A member of Prime Minister Imran Khan's cabinet has warned that, if left unchecked by the international community, the fallout of India's controversial move in Kashmir could lead to a nuclear conflict between the two longtime rivals.
Speaking to Newsweek, Sayed Zulfikar Abbas Bukhari, who serves as Khan's special assistant for overseas Pakistanis and human resource development, discussed the Pakistani leader's upcoming visit to New York as part of the United Nations General Assembly. Bukhari said Khan's trip would be "very Kashmir-centric," revolving around India's decision last month to consolidate control over its share of the disputed border territory and the ongoing human rights concerns that have since emerged there.
Kashmir has been the subject of three out of four major wars between India and Pakistan since their 1947 partition at the hands of their former colonizer, the United Kingdom. Asked if he was concerned that another major conflict could erupt between the neighbors as the situation in India-administered Kashmir deteriorated, Bukhari said, "Absolutely."
"We're extremely concerned that this could snowball into a nuclear war, you have two nuclear countries," Bukhari told Newsweek. "We're extremely worried about an escalation."
india kashmir crackdown pakistan border
Indian paramilitary troopers stand guard during heavy restrictions on movements in Srinagar, Kashmir, September 10, the 10th day of the holy Islamic month of Muharram. Since repealing the disputed region's special status, India conducted a major crackdown designed to stamp out militant activity and consolidate government control.TAUSEEF MUSTAFA/AFP/GETTY IMAGES
While India and Pakistan's effective border has for decades been defined by the Line of Control splitting the Himalayan valley of Kashmir, the territorial dispute remains unsettled and deadly clashes have continued on both sides of the frontier. The sensitive situation witnessed a major escalation in February when tensions in Kashmir erupted into cross-border attacks.
The unrest began with a suicide attack that killed 40 Indian security personnel in the India-administered Kashmir town of Pulwama and was claimed by Jaish-e-Mohammed, one of several Islamist militant groups New Delhi accuses Islamabad of backing. Less than two weeks later, Indian aircraft conducted airstrikes against alleged insurgent training camps in the town of Balakot, part of Pakistan's Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province, resulting in Pakistani counterstrikes and an aerial dogfight that led to the loss of at least one Indian fighter jet.
The pilot of the fallen Indian MiG-21 Bison survived a landing in Pakistani-administered Kashmir and was captured. In what Khan termed a gesture of peace, the Indian pilot was returned, though Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi argued this was simply a matter of following international conventions.
Ties between the two countries continued to deteriorate as President Donald Trump publicly considered playing a mediating role, something welcomed by Khan but rejected by Modi, who argued Kashmir matters were strictly a bilateral issue. The Indian leader then made the historic decision last month to repeal Articles 370 and 35a, revoking the special autonomous status afforded to India-administered Kashmir, the country's only majority-Muslim state, and sending it swaths of security forces to crack down on the restive region.
Amnesty International India and the United Nations Human Rights Office have since described to Newsweek desperate living conditions in India-administered Kashmir, as have Pakistan-administered Kashmir—known as Azad Kashmir—Prime Minister Raja Farooq Haider and Pakistani Ambassador to the United States Asad Majeed Khan. Now, Bukhari says "it's gone from bad to worse" as Modi has "put everyone on a 24/7 lockdown."
An apparent media blackout has limited the capabilities of local and international outlets to cover the situation, but persistent reports have emerged of state-sponsored violence and arbitrary detentions. Former India-administered Kashmir Chief Minister Farooq Abdullah has reportedly been under house arrest for "disturbing public order" since early last month in what Amnesty International India called "a blatant abuse of the law by the Indian government and latest in the series of human rights violations taking place in Kashmir."
"The continuation of draconian laws against political dissidents despite promises of change signals a dishonest intent on part of the Indian Government," the organization said in a statement sent to Newsweek, describing the Public Safety Act as having "a long history of being misused" in India-administered Kashmir.
"It has been more than 40 days since Kashmir has been under a blackout," the statement added. "Thousands of political leaders, activists and journalists continue to be silenced through administrative detention laws which run counter to international human rights standards."
india pakistan kashmir border disputes china
A map published in 2002 shows India's disputed borders at the Line of Control with Pakistan and Line of Actual Control with China.CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY
Bukhari told Newsweek that Pakistan exhausted its attempts to reach out to India diplomatically and Modi's recent move proved the final straw. "If I'm going to be completely honest, we were calling up until the last minute, we're anti-war, when we stopped calling was when they repealed the articles and the atrocities began in Kashmir."
Now, he said Khan's goal was to raise awareness about "the genocide and the ethnic cleansing going on" in India-administered Kashmir. He said Pakistan has had success in gaining the support of certain countries, with nations like China, Turkey, Malaysia and Iran speaking out on the issue.
As for the U.S., Trump was set to meet with both Modi and Khan in the same week as part of his many anticipated engagements on the sidelines of the U.N. General Assembly. Bukhari expressed confidence, saying Trump "has a very good relationship with our leader, they get along like a house on fire, they're both unconventional politicians, they're both straight-shooters."
But in a move that surprised a number of observers, Trump has invited the Indian leader to a Houston rally. Indian ambassador to the U.N. Syed Akbaruddin described the invitation as a sign of close relations between Trump and Modi.
"The trajectory of India's ties with the U.S. is consistently on the upward swing," Akbaruddin said in a statement sent to Newsweek. "People to people ties has been a powerful factor in the strengthening of these bonds. The event in Houston is a reflection of those booming ties. Prime Minister Modi has already expressed his deep appreciation of President Trump's unprecedented gesture of participating at the event. The message of the growth of our ties is visible and clear to all."
In response to Trump's invitation to Modi, Bukhari said he wouldn't "read into that too much." He deemed it more of an election strategy on the president's part, explaining "I don't think we need to be worried that's it's anti-Kashmir, or anti-people of Kashmir or anti-Pakistan."
"Obviously it hurts us, but that's more of an emotion," Bukhari told Newsweek.
While both Bukhari and Akbaruddin said their respective leaders would address climate change, the latter made no mention of Kashmir. Instead, he said Modi's focus would be to "articulate the vision of India's billion[-plus] people on a host of pressing global issues on the General Assembly's agenda," which also included sustainable development goals and universal health coverage, among the topics on which "India has a key role to play."
pakistan kashmir rally khan india border
Kashmiris shout slogans as they listen to Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan during a rally in Muzaffarabad, Pakistan-administered Kashmir, on September 13. Khan has sought international support to pressure Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi into reversing his removal of India-administered Kashmir's special status.AAMIR QURESHI/AFP/GETTY IMAGES
India has consistently justified its decision on Kashmir by highlighting the death and destruction wrought by a three-decade insurgency there. New Delhi has charged Islamabad with sponsoring militants seeking to destabilize India-administered Kashmir and of having a hand in high-profile attacks across the country. Bukhari described India's argument today as "an old, stale narrative." He argued: "Khan has only stood for peace, we have our own problems, our economy, we're trying to rebuild our country, how could we be interested in terrorists moving across borders when we're promoting tourism?"
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"It's becoming such a boring argument, and it doesn't hold any weight. Maybe it did in the past, but not with this government. All these things we're doing to promote Pakistan, it sets us back," he added. "It makes zero sense what they're saying about terrorism because it affects us most."
Bukhari explained there was major concern in Pakistan as to a potential "retaliation" after the lockdown ends. "What we're fearing is the instability not only in India-occupied Kashmir, but to the region as a whole, these people have been beaten and raped what do you think they're going to do? If Modi thinks they're going to just return to their ordinary lives, he's seriously mistaken."
With tensions already flaring, Indian Foreign Minister Subrahmanyan Jaishankar said at a news conference Tuesday that "Pakistan-administered Kashmir is part of India and we expect one day that we will have physical jurisdiction over it."

Bukhari echoed previous statements from Khan in suggesting the possibility of a false flag attack staged by India and blamed on Pakistan. He said "our forces are on high alert and are mobilized, so if, God forbid, there was an attack from India, we are ready, but certainly what we're trying to do is address this on an international level and avoid that. No one wants a war between these two countries."
Asked if he was optimistic about the situation being resolved peacefully, Bukhari told Newsweek: "Look, I guess we have to have faith, right? Otherwise, what else are we doing here? We hope that the Kashmiri people's prayers are heard."
 
Problem with a shooting war in Kashmir is that it is close enough to China that they'll join in with at least one side (imagine if say, Mexico got into a nuke war with Cuba, the US wouldn't just sit idly by), and then things get really interesting. I mean, if I knew it'd just be these two absolute literal shithole countries, I'd be like "Lol do it faggots" too. But somebody on that side of the planet, somebody big, will have to step in and swing their dick around.
 
Problem with a shooting war in Kashmir is that it is close enough to China that they'll join in with at least one side (imagine if say, Mexico got into a nuke war with Cuba, the US wouldn't just sit idly by), and then things get really interesting. I mean, if I knew it'd just be these two absolute literal shithole countries, I'd be like "Lol do it faggots" too. But somebody on that side of the planet, somebody big, will have to step in and swing their dick around.
If they could just stand the curry stench and navigate the designated shitting streets, another nation could send agents to sabotage India’s nukes.

As for Pakistan, anyone here who has spoken to an average Pakistani that fumbled their way to Canada knows that they aren’t that bright, and those are the ones that managed to figure out how to leave there. Pakistan would be lucky not to glass themselves if they launch.
 
If they could just stand the curry stench and navigate the designated shitting streets, another nation could send agents to sabotage India’s nukes.

As for Pakistan, anyone here who has spoken to an average Pakistani that fumbled their way to Canada knows that they aren’t that bright, and those are the ones that managed to figure out how to leave there. Pakistan would be lucky not to glass themselves if they launch.

What was it the late great Robin Williams said? Why do these people have nukes, they can't keep goats from getting out of the pen.
 
What was it the late great Robin Williams said? Why do these people have nukes, they can't keep goats from getting out of the pen.
Because Justin Treadau's father sold them light water reactors, despite US protest. Also, the Pakis sold a clone of theirs to the Norks, so that's on him too.
 
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