💊 Manosphere Jordan Peterson - Internet Daddy Simulator, Post-modern Anti-postmodernist, Canadian Psychology Professor, Depressed, Got Hooked on Benzos

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Gorilla Tessellator said:
I still stand by my words that all these theatrics have a purpose to discredit ideas which Peterson was supposed to represent. You see what happens if someone refuses to use correct pronouns? It all ends badly in coma in Russia with suspicion of schizophrenia. It automatically reminded me of famous advancement of Soviet psychiatry: "sluggish schizophrenia" used to discredit dissidents. (link very worthy reading)

Are we not that far from it? I hope we are still quite far.
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1. Take your meds, schizo.
2. Yes, those 1488D chess moves "THEY" use- fire lasers at some beardy psychologist's head to make him become a pill-popper into woo medicine, make his daughter get into woo medicine too, and then force him at gunpoint to fly out to Russia and put himself in a coma, all to prove that cleaning your room and washing your penis are evil!
If the media really wanted to "discredit his ideas" they wouldn't need some Bond-villain-tier plan to do it. They'd just point out how he's a Jungian, and that Jungian psychology is interlinked with Jung's belief in psychic powers and ghosts as 100% real objectively verifiable phenomena. They'd turn him into "that crackpot who believes in mediums".
 
Gorilla Tessellator said:
I still stand by my words that all these theatrics have a purpose to discredit ideas which Peterson was supposed to represent. You see what happens if someone refuses to use correct pronouns? It all ends badly in coma in Russia with suspicion of schizophrenia. It automatically reminded me of famous advancement of Soviet psychiatry: "sluggish schizophrenia" used to discredit dissidents. (link very worthy reading)

Are we not that far from it? I hope we are still quite far.

One thing is super glaring in this entire story: if you would go through this horrible period would you make it very well known in details? Or would you rather withdraw from spotlight completely until you get things sorted out? I know his daughter wants to be famous, but still it's super ghoulish to do it on the back of your half-dead father.
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He's just a druggie with some psychological problems. It's not that deep. He had problems with substance abuse and depression even before he got famous.
 
Senior Lexmechanic said:
1. Take your meds, schizo.
2. Yes, those 1488D chess moves "THEY" use- fire lasers at some beardy psychologist's head to make him become a pill-popper into woo medicine, make his daughter get into woo medicine too, and then force him at gunpoint to fly out to Russia and put himself in a coma, all to prove that cleaning your room and washing your penis are evil!
If the media really wanted to "discredit his ideas" they wouldn't need some Bond-villain-tier plan to do it. They'd just point out how he's a Jungian, and that Jungian psychology is interlinked with Jung's belief in psychic powers and ghosts as 100% real objectively verifiable phenomena. They'd turn him into "that crackpot who believes in mediums".
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marfusha said:
He's just a druggie with some psychological problems. It's not that deep. He had problems with substance abuse and depression even before he got famous.
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I appreciate your concern about my mental health. But there is a clear misunderstanding here No, I don't see any 6D intergalactic chess in his benzo addiction. I think it's real, and the Russian history is real. I am just pointing out that it's shamelessly publicized everywhere, and I believe it didn't have to be publicized that much. The recent brouhaha about schizophrenia is just one example of excessive noise that is made about the situation. That's all.

Yes, both him and his daughter are likely munchies that revel in attention for their possibly imaginary ailments for years already. If you look at it from the sidelines there is no reason they should be famous, but yet they are. At first I thought naively that this fame was organic, but no, there is lots of valid suspicion that Petersons were heavily promoted (also on YT). So people who promoted them knew from the start that the promote mentally unstable individuals that are very likely to crumble under pressure.

Does it still sound paranoid to you? If yes, I will maybe sleep more, lol.
 
Gorilla Tessellator said:
I appreciate your concern about my mental health. But there is a clear misunderstanding here No, I don't see any 6D intergalactic chess in his benzo addiction. I think it's real, and the Russian history is real. I am just pointing out that it's shamelessly publicized everywhere, and I believe it didn't have to be publicized that much. The recent brouhaha about schizophrenia is just one example of excessive noise that is made about the situation. That's all.

Yes, both him and his daughter are likely munchies that revel in attention for their possibly imaginary ailments for years already. If you look at it from the sidelines there is no reason they should be famous, but yet they are. At first I thought naively that this fame was organic, but no, there is lots of valid suspicion that Petersons were heavily promoted (also on YT). So people who promoted them knew from the start that the promote mentally unstable individuals that are very likely to crumble under pressure.
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When this whole coma mess kicked off, I actually polled quite a few normies. Now, the plural of "anecdote" is not "data", true, but AFAICT, the only people who know who Jordan Peterson is are his cult, his anti-cult, and lolcow watchers. To the average person, his presence in mind is "that one guy who was on the news that one time and talked about lobsters a lot".
 
Senior Lexmechanic said:
When this whole coma mess kicked off, I actually polled quite a few normies. Now, the plural of "anecdote" is not "data", true, but AFAICT, the only people who know who Jordan Peterson is are his cult, his anti-cult, and lolcow watchers. To the average person, his presence in mind is "that one guy who was on the news that one time and talked about lobsters a lot".
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I dunno, I've seen plenty of Normies talk about him. Especially after the book. But well, self help is always a bit of a fad.
 
So. Listened to the podcast with douglas murray. Reportedly recorded 21|01|15 and they both references obliquely his MIA period so I'm thinking that legit.


He seems a lot better than his first few short videos that were posted after his re-emergence.


Fluid, fluent speaking in as much as he ever was. He'd not delivering a speech, but having a back and forth so there's a certain amount of backtracks, gathering of thoughts but that's not unusual in this kind of format and murray did a bit of it too, if he does it less it could be handwaved as him being in practice and Jordan isn't.


Basically I think it might have been stage fright initially. I really did think he was brain damaged but I'm pretty sure now if he was it wasn't long lasting or perhaps just want serious anyway.



Also his tweets about his books. I think his self belief is shattered and that's the explanation for both his weird self deprecating tweets and his fucked up delivery on YouTube initially.


The coma and cancer shattered his ego and not in the nice buddhist sense and he's picking the pieces up rather than dealing with a hotwired brain

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He also mentioned he'd already at that stage interviewed abigail shrier. Referenced that "I was terrified to even talk to her" and that "she's a very brave person and I've had a fair bit of that beat out of me I'm afraid"


That'd support the idea of a crisis of confidence over brain damage but also that interview isn't released on spotify, YT or podcast yet.


Now she's persona non grata with troons of course but she's been on a book tour and there's plenty of interviews with her on the usual suspects available in all platforms.


So Jordan or his "team" aren't publishing it.


Fear aversion? Afraid of reaping the whirlwind again?
 
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I never understood why Peterson took so much heat.

Like sure, some of his ideas were dumb, like most of his biblical allegory stuff, or the stereotypes of the dragon, the hero who yadda yadda etc.

But most of his messages were useful, I thought. Some of them got really basic, but some people need to hear basic messages when they don't get them through the normal channels irl.
 
Gorilla Tessellator said:
At first I thought naively that this fame was organic, but no, there is lots of valid suspicion that Petersons were heavily promoted (also on YT)
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He had been trying to break through (with help) for over a decade, doing tv and such. A lot of people built up really large followership during trump election and he was one that succesfully capitalized with his "spokesfrog" hat, that he tried to play off as a mystical incident.

It did seem that he was heavily promoted, but he also managed to do something that say, ex gamergaters couldn't: he had the skills, connections and job to be able to go on radio and tv interviews and hold his own (maybe Milo Y. is the only other guy like that).

So was he promoted on youtube? Or did it help that he was just respectable enough to not remain banned (they banned his entire google account including diary/calendar, I think after the James D'amore interview) and therefor became one of the few to supply an alternative right wing perspective? Unite the right failed, but the demand for new right wing perspectives didn't.

He received a lot of support, both attention and financial and he also received a ton of flak, including local in the streets, of that one dude in this thread was telling the truth.

At least part of his fame was "organic", but in the way that a planned viral video actually manages to go viral; as part of marketing strategy.

3holeDonkeyPunch said:
I never understood why Peterson took so much heat.
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Because he opposed feminism in the mainstream and universities, which until then was mostly an internet thing, or something you'd grumble about in a university bar but not do much about.
 
Lemmingwise said:
Because he opposed feminism in the mainstream and universities, which until then was mostly an internet thing, or something you'd grumble about in a university bar but not do much about.
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I meant more in the context of him being a lolcow with 139 pages on the farm.

Like yeah, I get why feminists dislike him vehemently, but why does your average person here get so tickled by him?
 
3holeDonkeyPunch said:
I meant more in the context of him being a lolcow with 139 pages on the farm.

Like yeah, I get why feminists dislike him vehemently, but why does your average person here get so tickled by him?
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Senior Lexmechanic said:
Because his fanbase is really autistic and irritating.
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Also, as someone who was a mild fan, once he went off the rails, and went on the multiple detox trips in Eastern Europe with his fascinatingly thotty daughter, this thread became a lot more funny and a lot less tedious "lobster man good or bad" debating.
Lolcows tend to become a lot funnier when their public actions are bizarre enough to turn the thread into general mockery instead of complaining about ecelebs. This is also why Shoe0nhead's thread was only funny in the immediate aftermath of her breakup.
 
3holeDonkeyPunch said:
I meant more in the context of him being a lolcow with 139 pages on the farm.

Like yeah, I get why feminists dislike him vehemently, but why does your average person here get so tickled by him?
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@Senior Lexmechanic gave the short and sweet answer. The point is he kind of rode that anti-feminist wave and even managed to embarrass a couple in mainstream media (most notably the newman channel 4 "so you're saying" interview).

The old dishonest feminist media tactics weren't working, in part due to the massive groundswell and in part due to Peterson's almost as dishonest obfustications. But that wasn't clear to most people for a while. Instead his fans saw the constant dishonest media tactics and started to assume every point of criticism came from the same dishonest place.

You can see a number of those examples in this thread and it contributed to the growth of it.
 
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Seymour Glass said:
His daughter tried to kill him by shipping him to Russia for treatment. I don't think she cares much about her family and see's only dollar signs now. She's become a thot.
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I know this was meant in Jest but half of me wonders how true this might be.

Jordan seems to let her do anything and just has her still as daddy's little princess, and I'm not faulting him for that.

If she seems him as a ends to a mean (that half joking might be true) then yeah, get daddy's brain cooked take his wallet and wheel him out for pity bucks so you don't even have to spend daddy's dollars.

I do seriously wonder about the wife and her "illnesses" if she's got either SHIT luck, her genes might be cooked, Jordan has some mind problems so perhaps she's just a nutter. (the daughter) but the wife could be a munchie and something like that could deff push the daughter to being ok with sociopathic behavior.

The whole family is at very least, strange. But I know you meant some humor in the post but perhaps over thinking maybe the Jester spoke the truth.
 
Is there anyone in the "new right" (or whatever you can call this group in the period between 2014-2020) who isnt a complete disaster? its like every key figure in that movement has crashed and burned in one way or another
 
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wendys dog said:
Is there anyone in the "new right" (or whatever you can call this group in the period between 2014-2020) who isnt a complete disaster? its like every key figure in that movement has crashed and burned in one way or another
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I kind of think we should have expected that.
 
wendys dog said:
Is there anyone in the "new right" (or whatever you can call this group in the period between 2014-2020) who isnt a complete disaster? its like every key figure in that movement has crashed and burned in one way or another
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People who were at most tangentially related to this "movement", if you can even call it a movement. Gad Saad, Helen Pluckrose et al, the chaps over at Triggernometry. People who participated in the wider culture war but weren't autistic talking heads out of their depth like Sarg'n or KKK Grand Dragon Andy "Race"Warski.
 
it’s pretty fucking awkward how this guy and his daughter have been openly talking about recreational drug use after his “episode” in Russia with deliberate interest and intent.

i still think it’s great how Jordan Peterson has helped so many men (yeah I know, I know), and I really don’t want to use a “slippery slope” fallacy, but when your entire image is built upon being pro stoicism, order and religion, even despite his addiction, you’d think he’d take a step back from the DMT, shrooms and whatever else chit-chat?

the man can make mistakes imo, we all do, but I find this pretty funny and absurd in particular.
 
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