💊 Manosphere Jordan Peterson - Internet Daddy Simulator, Post-modern Anti-postmodernist, Canadian Psychology Professor, Depressed, Got Hooked on Benzos

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It would be pretty hilarious if after recovery JP would start preaching veganism, communism and polyamory.
Something like: "I saw the light! we need to destroy shackles of patriarchy and soulless capitalism! Save the planet by not eating meat! And love everyone no matter how crippled, ugly and stupid!"
 
It would be pretty hilarious if after recovery JP would start preaching veganism, communism and polyamory.
Something like: "I saw the light! we need to destroy shackles of patriarchy and soulless capitalism! Save the planet by not eating meat! And love everyone no matter how crippled, ugly and stupid!"

I think it'd be really funny if Peterson became a big Pol Pot fan after he recovered.
 
I feel bad for Peterson lately. Benzos have a dependence liability and it can happen to anyone. It is a serious side effect that no one ever deserves to have to go through. You literally lose your physiological ability to function without it in physical dependence. It is a godawful thing for anyone no matter how lulsy. Shame on Mikela for milking this, shame on her.
 
Some of you guys have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.

Tapering prisoners down in 0 to 14 days. LOL. Yeah if it's Xanex you can do that, because it's a short acting benzo. If you go through withdrawal you may be sick for a few days.

Longer acting benzos like Ativan and Klonopin are totally different beasts. It will take months or even years to get yourself off them. In the meantime, they have bad side effects and if you go into withdrawal your going to be experiencing wonderful things like convulsions, constant adrenaline dumps/panic attacks and body temperature drops that will make you feel like you are freezing to death. These are the things that come with lowering the dosage. There's at least one case study out there of a person died of hypothermia during a benzo withdrawal.

And this is not after you've gotten "hooked" on them - we're talking low dose taken as prescribed. Anyone that thinks Peterson is a "druggie" because he got wrecked after being prescribed something he never should have taken, they're an idiot.

It's something that should never be given for insomnia or depression, it should be malpractice to do that. The juice isn't nearly worth the squeeze and the side effects for something like insomnia make it incredibly counterproductive. That's why Chris Cornell died - he was taking Ativan because he had torn his rotator cuff and was having trouble sleeping. Well guess what, if you have Tinnitus it will get 100 times worse if you're taking Ativan. Good luck sleeping or even concentrating then. His last words were " The ringing, the ringing in my ears, I couldn’t stop the ringing. "

Source: myself, I lived through it.

Where are you getting that Chris Cornell killed himself because of tinnitus or that his last words were “I couldn’t stop the ringing”???

He had a long history of depression and heavy drug abuse. His last known words were a phone call to his wife and he didn’t say anything about his ears ringing or suicide, but sounded groggy and said he was tired.

Dude was depressed and hung himself. He had a twenty year plus history of serious, heavy drug use. Even his prescribed drugs had to be administered to him from his babysitter body guard on tour.

“Toxicology tests showed the presence of barbiturates, caffeine and lorazepam, also known as Ativan, a drug for anxiety. The report also lists naloxone, an anti-opioid drug, and a decongestant.”
 

Latest pic of JP

Looks JUSTed

Posting this picture sure doesn't inspire confidence about her Dad's health.

I mean, it's good that he's sitting up and that he appears to be conscious ... But he looks so dead in the eyes. Looking at this picture makes me uncomfortable.

I really, really don't trust his daughter at all.
 
Posting this picture sure doesn't inspire confidence about her Dad's health.

I mean, it's good that he's sitting up and that he appears to be conscious ... But he looks so dead in the eyes. Looking at this picture makes me uncomfortable.

I really, really don't trust his daughter at all.
I mean the picture itself seems shady, She said the next statement he would come from him, he was having trouble walking talking, etc, yet. but it seems that after seeing all the talk of petersons brain damage around she's essentially created a 'PR photoshoot' as if to show people he's fine and hanging out when he should probably be recuperating or if he has recovered enough should have made a statement.
 
Not sure how well received this will be here, but there's a really great article by Nathan Robinson on this topic. It's a bit long, but worth the read. It's where I found his weird outsider art instructive figures. A bit I thought was esp spot-on was "People can have such angry arguments about Peterson, seeing him as everything from a fascist apologist to an Enlightenment liberal, because his vacuous words are a kind of Rorschach test onto which countless interpretations can be projected."
This will be my first post on this website. I've been lurking for some time, and finally decided to join the fray. Wish me luck!

I've been reading this thread ever since I heard about Peterson's very unfortunate bout with benzodiazepines. I wasn't quite aware of the criticism against Peterson that didn't come from the lunacy of the SJW's, which is why it was both surprising and refreshing to read the sperging being spouted in this thread - there are undoubtedly some exceptional people in it, that's for sure. To hear people criticize Peterson for things other than, say, "he's just telling people to, uhm, wash their benises; where's the novelty in that (oh, by the way, Drumpf is a nazi and it would be great if you could accompany me to the MyLittlePony-convention)?!". So I read the article you posted, hoping that it would offer little more substance than that of your typically deranged leftist Ingsoc rambling. It barely did.

The article is quite lengthy, and so I won't go over it point by point. I'll admit that the author might have a point when deriding Peterson for being overly verbose, but that's really only nitpicking him for his authorship. Other than that the article is mostly a collection of over-simplifying and mischaracterizing Peterson's statements - vague as they can sometimes be considered - in order to justify his obviously antagonistic agenda towards the man, and more than a little dose of self-congratulatory grammar followed by delusional closing statements such as "[...] so since it's obvious that Peterson is an unintelligent buffoon with the wit of a hamster, why then would people listen to him?!" (I'm paraphrasing, of course). The only saving grace of the article is that it tries to, at least on a surface-level, give a barely nuanced portrayal of the phenomena that is Jordan Peterson. Every sentence that - supposedly - tries to objectively summarize Peterson's statements, what "they might mean", and for whom they are directed and what impact they might have on the audience, falls flat almost immediately by virtue of the authors obvious desire to shame Peterson. If I were to in good faith take the word of some of the seemingly more reasonable posters here on their word, there is apparently ample material to do so without falling to dishonest ramblings and misrepresentation. Given that so many of you apparently found this article to "be great" though, I'm really starting to doubt that there is any valid criticism against Peterson other than perhaps his desire to capitalize on his online self-help courses, and for the perchance "banality" of his ideas (it really can't be all that banal though, given that it clearly resonates so well with so many people, no matter how much the author insists that its only because the audience is "fooled" into thinking Peterson's word are meaningful - perhaps it's true that the degenerates of the world that can't stand Peterson only have themselves "to blame" for his surge in popularity, as the author claims?). The author is clearly not arguing in good faith.

I'd like for you to google the name of the author: Nathan Robinson. He's just the kind of person you'd expect him to be, and his mannerisms and choice of words further reinforces that the only ones that truly have a beef with Peterson are the perpetually offended, meandering, self-loathing and virtue signalling members of our society. You will also find that he has an arguably somewhat unhealthy obsession with Peterson and those who fancies listening to him. Oh, and he's also a self-professed socialist, and argues fervently in favor of the ideology.

Now, before you lash out, I'd like to stress that I'm not some ardent follower of Peterson that draws fanart of him and posts it online. I have no problem with discussing his potential shortcomings, and have otherwise no stake in the game, so to speak. If the "criticisms" (if you can even call them that) that's leveraged in the article is what constitutes as "great" for the majority of you though, then I can only conclude that there really isn't much of importance that one can criticize Peterson for. Peterson emerged when the SJW lunacy were at its peak (hopefully), and provided some much needed counterbalance in the public discourse. The smears he's gotten for the most innocuous statements from people all over the political aisle if nothing short of extraordinary. At the end of the day, Peterson is a very innocent presence, and the positive ramifications of his contributions to public discourse quite obviously outweigh the negative, whatever they may be. He might very well be severely overrated, but there is absolutely no need for the exceptional antagonism against him. He's most definitely not "lolcow" material (...), and most of this thread is a mistake.
 
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Imagine getting brain damage from experimental russian treatment good western doctors wouldn't condone because you want to clean your brain of benzos and people still try and claim you aren't a lolcow

There seems to be so much pushback against the idea of Anti SJW/MRA Type individuals being lolcows as if they are immune to the corrupting influences of internet fame and the tism.
 
It seems to me that if you any experience with philosophy at all then Jordan Peterson is regurgitating philosophy from the likes of Confucius, Buddha, Christianity, Lao Tzu and others. He is more or less covering the universal themes that are common in those philosophies.

The key to his popularity is most likely that there are now a bunch of children of working class people who never had any exposure to philosophy. Their parents worked all day then worked on some random project, ate dinner, watched TV then went to bed just to wake up and do it all again the next day. There wasn't any conversations about "this is what a man does." No greater meaning to life. You just work through the drudgery of daily life til you die.

He's just an intro course.
 
This will be my first post on this website. I've been lurking for some time, and finally decided to join the fray. Wish me luck!

I've been reading this thread ever since I heard about Peterson's very unfortunate bout with benzodiazepines. I wasn't quite aware of the criticism against Peterson that didn't come from the lunacy of the SJW's, which is why it was both surprising and refreshing to read the sperging being spouted in this thread - there are undoubtedly some exceptional people in it, that's for sure. To hear people criticize Peterson for things other than, say, "he's just telling people to, uhm, wash their benises; where's the novelty in that (oh, by the way, Drumpf is a nazi and it would be great if you could accompany me to the MyLittlePony-convention)‽". So I read the article you posted, hoping that it would offer little more substance than that of your typically deranged leftist Ingsoc rambling. It barely did.

The article is quite lengthy, and so I won't go over it point by point. I'll admit that the author might have a point when deriding Peterson for being overly verbose, but that's really only nitpicking him for his authorship. Other than that the article is mostly a collection of over-simplifying and mischaracterizing Peterson's statements - vague as they can sometimes be considered - in order to justify his obviously antagonistic agenda towards the man, and more than a little dose of self-congratulatory grammar followed by delusional closing statements such as "[...] so since it's obvious that Peterson is an unintelligent buffoon with the wit of a hamster, why then would people listen to him?!" (I'm paraphrasing, of course). The only saving grace of the article is that it tries to, at least on a surface-level, give a barely nuanced portrayal of the phenomena that is Jordan Peterson. Every sentence that - supposedly - tries to objectively summarize Peterson's statements, what "they might mean", and for whom they are directed and what impact they might have on the audience, falls flat almost immediately by virtue of the authors obvious desire to shame Peterson. If I were to in good faith take the word of some of the seemingly more reasonable posters here on their word, there is apparently ample material to do so without falling to dishonest ramblings and misrepresentation. Given that so many of you apparently found this article to "be great" though, I'm really starting to doubt that there is any valid criticism against Peterson other than perhaps his desire to capitalize on his online self-help courses, and for the perchance "banality" of his ideas (it really can't be all that banal though, given that it clearly resonates so well with so many people, no matter how much the author insists that its only because the audience is "fooled" into thinking Peterson's word are meaningful - perhaps it's true that the degenerates of the world that can't stand Peterson only have themselves "to blame" for his surge in popularity, as the author claims?). The author is clearly not arguing in good faith.

I'd like for you to google the name of the author: Nathan Robinson. He's just the kind of person you'd expect him to be, and his mannerisms and choice of words further reinforces that the only ones that truly have a beef with Peterson are the perpetually offended, meandering, self-loathing and virtue signalling members of our society. You will also find that he has an arguably somewhat unhealthy obsession with Peterson and those who fancies listening to him. Oh, and he's also a self-professed socialist, and argues fervently in favor of the ideology.

Now, before you lash out, I'd like to stress that I'm not some ardent follower of Peterson that draws fanart of him and posts it online. I have no problem with discussing his potential shortcomings, and have otherwise no stake in the game, so to speak. If the "criticisms" (if you can even call them that) that's leveraged in the article is what constitutes as "great" for the majority of you though, then I can only conclude that there really isn't much of importance that one can criticize Peterson for. Peterson emerged when the SJW lunacy were at its peak (hopefully), and provided some much needed counterbalance in the public discourse. The smears he's gotten for the most innocuous statements from people all over the political aisle if nothing short of extraordinary. At the end of the day, Peterson is a very innocent presence, and the positive ramifications of his contributions to public discourse quite obviously outweigh the negative, whatever they may be. He might very well be severely overrated, but there is absolutely no need for the exceptional antagonism against him. He's most definitely not "lolcow" material (...), and most of this thread is a mistake.

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To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ & a clean room to understand Jordan Peterson. His humor is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical Lobster physics most of the jokes will go over a typical readers's head. […]
 
Imagine getting brain damage from experimental russian treatment good western doctors wouldn't condone because you want to clean your brain of benzos and people still try and claim you aren't a lolcow

There seems to be so much pushback against the idea of Anti SJW/MRA Type individuals being lolcows as if they are immune to the corrupting influences of internet fame and the tism.
My guess is his daughter saw that you have to taper benzodiazepines and saw Canadian doctors still prescribing him benzos at a lower dose to do that. So she thought they were trying to keep him hooked, and then took him to Russia where the quacks there dangerously cut him off cold turkey. If that’s the case, she’s not just complicit, she’s a horrowcow
 
Other than that the article is mostly a collection of over-simplifying and mischaracterizing Peterson's statements - vague as they can sometimes be considered
Oi! We got a live one! This is my chance! What do you think was vague about Peterson stating that he literally didn't sleep for a month when he drank one glass of cider?

Does it make me a socialist too if I question the truthfulness of that statement in the same way I would question it if an Indian swami made that statement?
 
It seems to me that if you any experience with philosophy at all then Jordan Peterson is regurgitating philosophy from the likes of Confucius, Buddha, Christianity, Lao Tzu and others. He is more or less covering the universal themes that are common in those philosophies.

Amusingly enough, the Apostle Paul warned Christians in his writings not to become entangled in 'the empty philosophy of man' and be distracted from the simple truths of God's Word. Regardless of whether you agree with those truths or not, the fact remains that they're all pretty basic stuff that people like Peterson have turned into labyrinthine omnibuses that have very little practical value. I think he's more grounded than most and has a solid moral foundation, but 99% of what he says is extraneous waffle that can be summed up as 'have empathy, don't be a dick, work to improve yourself'. That's basically all you need.
 
It seems to me that if you any experience with philosophy at all then Jordan Peterson is regurgitating philosophy from the likes of Confucius, Buddha, Christianity, Lao Tzu and others. He is more or less covering the universal themes that are common in those philosophies.

The key to his popularity is most likely that there are now a bunch of children of working class people who never had any exposure to philosophy. Their parents worked all day then worked on some random project, ate dinner, watched TV then went to bed just to wake up and do it all again the next day. There wasn't any conversations about "this is what a man does." No greater meaning to life. You just work through the drudgery of daily life til you die.

He's just an intro course.

Most working class people never had any exposure to philosophy and it did them just fine. Hell, most people don't give a shit about philosophy.

Are you sure it's not just because he's telling a certain kind of person exactly what they want to hear?
 
It seems to me that if you any experience with philosophy at all then Jordan Peterson is regurgitating philosophy from the likes of Confucius, Buddha, Christianity, Lao Tzu and others. He is more or less covering the universal themes that are common in those philosophies.

In restrospective, we may end up saying that all the criticism in this thread boils down to the fact that, maybe, Jordan Peterson had the right ideas but the wrong means? Maybe, I dunno.
 
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