I agreed with your post until this part.
The idea that (campus) feminism isn't also an enemy of traditional families is completely upside down.
Feminism holds the traditional family and its gender roles as one of the primary enemies to progress.
Campus feminism, probably more than other types of feminism, affects how the educated of tomorrow are implementing feminist ideals and are part of the reason why men generally get a raw deal legally speaking from marriage, as even without children and even with a prenuptial agreement, it's possible that divorce entitles the exwife to a sizeable part of the assets of the exhusband. Technically the reverse is also possible and it does happen, but only with non-traditional family unit, so it still stands.
Every single gender studies graduate I've gotten to know was looking forward to creating very nontraditional families, whether their ideal was a polyamorous group that had multiple children and raised them as 5 equal parents, to not wanting kids, to wanting kids as a triad and already figuring out the legal requirements to have 3 legal parents (lesbian marriage while recognizing lseed donor" as a father with parental rights, not US law btw) to name a few examples.
Of any people I've met they had the fewest people interested in having kids.
Oh god. I wish you were arguing in bad faith because you're making me do one thing I hate to do which is actually call myself a feminist. I try not to. I accept the vast majority of feminist basic ideas and tendencies of analysis (Though I didnt learn them in college. I think academia is largely a scam, and all the best writing on feminism are available either free online, or cheaper than a decade of student debt at Barnes n Nobles), but the "self identified male feminist" is one of the most sus things around.
But, despite being (more or less) "cis" male, I've never attacked or threatened by any of the precepts of any form of feminism that any regular ass people are going to adopt. And I accept some of the more radical ideas. But in over 30 years on this dead gay planet I can count the number of chicks what's actually sincerely misandrist on more than one hand but less than two hands and my dick.
But like I said in one of my above posts, I was specifically not counting campuses as part of the real world, because they are decidedly not. I'm sure most Women's Studies types are a little goofball. I tend to avoid them, as I tend to avoid most college students. You don't find a hell of lot of them, at least who mention their degree" in the real world because that's a course of study for people who love the ivory tower (Ironically white and phallic) and will probably end up either in or adjacent to academia. Or even worse, become playwrights doing terrible one woman Fringe Festival shows.
There aren't that many of them either. A very cursory googling indicates that in 2016 there were a total of 2,677 women's studies degrees awarded. That's out of the nearly 4 million college degrees (Of all types, assosciates to phD) issued in one year in the US. It's really small. There's more annoying college feminists than that for sure, but like I said, once you're our in the real world that shit becomes far less noticeable. Shit, I live in one of the most obnoxiously wannabe woke Love Me I'm a Liberal cities in the country and I see it a little more than I used to in the Midwest, but it's still fairly uncommon.
I'm personally not interested in having kids, though the older I get and the more the opportunity recedes the more I wonder if I shouldn't. But how could I? For one, a lot of women are ambivalent about long term relationships, and at least when it comes to girls over the age of 24 it has way more to do with some shitty ex that fucked up their ability to trust anyone, or the same kind of weird ambivalence and self alienation a lot of people feel. And don't even get me started on women over 30, who are dealing wiht a lot of the same sense of premature obsolescence a lot of us early millennials feel, but get all that plus the sense that somehow being a single woman over 30 makes them a failure, and I cannot even with that. But the impossibility of finding a nice girl my age has made my dating skew lower like into the 21-24 range, and I'm pretty impressed that the majority of girls I've met are pretty solid feminists but don't have anything against masculine traits as long as you aren't some kind of careless ogre. Also, they seem a lot more self-aware than my peer group was 10 years ago. I have my own goals and things I'm about, and I prefer a partner who has her own ambitions and plans, because holy shit I have dated way too many girls who have no will of their own and need someone to tell them what we're doing and make decisions for them, and invent a sense of self worth for them to have,
And the rare ones I do meet that are about that, sometimes a little annoying sometimes full blown jerk, they tend to be academics.
Academics are basically just a specialized form of NEET, after all.
And sure they're all about their nontraditional families and polycules now, and all their weird Fetlife shit. That's good fun. Experimentation is important. Social norms and that stuff evolves. I was poly for a while. Lol that shit sucked. Most people who give that shit a go ahead don't stick with it, because holy shit is that shit tedious and annoying, and even the good parts like fucking other people usually mean fucking other POLY people which is....y'know.
But anyhow, the "Traditional atomic american family" and, particularly "family values" are largely a post WW2 development, enabled by a startling influx of national wealth and security, and a whole bunch of deeply traumatized dudes coming back from being in one of the greatest nightmares humanity has ever dreamed, who just wanted peace and tranquility and to FUCK HOLY SHIT I MISS MY GIRL I WANNA FUCK, and who were able to make so much money thanks to a robust economy and politically empowered working class so that Mom could stay home and raise the kids, instead of Mom having to go work at the textile sweatshop with your daughter. Your daughter has to work in this case because your first five kids died in a mining accident at their 6 day a week job before their balls even dropped. But who gives a shit if its two dads or two moms or an extended family. That's still a family, and I think that "Traditional family" is really a distraction from the fact that almost any family structure, especially extended families, are being eroded.
tl;dr Old Man says The Kids Are Alright.
Honestly, this is something I tell my leftist friends a lot about young right wing types and Jorp fans too. If he'd hit the scene 12 years ago my dumb young libertarian ass would have probably thought he was cool. (Not relaly though. I was a philosophy and Lit major and Jorp's lack of intellectual rigor, sloppy reasoning, and overall fusspot prissypants nature would have been annoying). ((I got out of philosophy school when I realized this is a fuckin scam and at least half this curriculum is public domain, and I didn't feel the need to get into massive debt for a piece of paper saying I'm good at reading books))
The campus feminist girl might not marry you for ideological reasons, but most of the other girls won't because the old fucks made a bajillion dollars, but good luck getting any of it off of them. How are you even gonna pay to have that baby? Your gig economy job or mechanical turk gig doesn't have any medical benefits. Babies are expensive and time consuming, and folks are working two jobs a week and still have to have a room mate.
Apologies for the length of this, but stimulants make my fingers dance.
Also lol this is a better "debate" than Jorp vs Zizzy
Edit: I could have structured this post better with your quotes but....I didn't. Apologies.
Of any people I've met they had the fewest people interested in having kids.
Addendum, and this is probably a low blow but...
It's not like you'd want to have kids with them anyways.
(I don't generally find them sexually desirable)
