💊 Manosphere Jordan Peterson - Internet Daddy Simulator, Post-modern Anti-postmodernist, Canadian Psychology Professor, Depressed, Got Hooked on Benzos

[GenderCop]

you don't have to like or agree with ppl to want to discuss the ideas they bring up. its the regressive left that won't go on Joe Rogan & refuses to discuss anything with anybody remotely 'tainted'.

"ooooh but if i talk about that i will be quoting a right wing person & that makes me baaaaaad."

that's why we're in the mess we're in right now.

article that expresses how i feel about JBP
https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/0...of-jordan-peterson-on-dialogue-and-listening/

Because his ability to critique both the left and the right, Peterson has captured the attention of those from both sides of the aisle who are tired of the relentless call-outs and reductive rhetorical approaches to what many of us deem to be far more complex issues than that of subjugated/oppressor (although this too plays a role). This era’s need to build political arguments upon the presumed guilt of the other based on a series of personal identifications is being directly challenged by Peterson. It is this sort of rehashing of historical wrongs to which the left genuflects and from which the right steps away. We have been doing this dance for some time and it has pretty much gotten us nowhere. The left has replaced the right’s traditionalist liturgy with a political confession where every sentence begins with the culpability of whiteness, maleness, colonial abuses, as well as the savagery of rape, capitalism, and the Patriarchy. While these are realities, Peterson offers a new perspective on how we might view injustices and how we might take our collective history and retell our stories reframing these paradigms in a far more comprehensive way. This analysis has irked many on the left—especially the feminists.

Over the past months, it has been difficult to find many feminists who would seriously engage in a discussion about what precisely bothered them about Peterson without the commentary falling into “douchebag” territory. And I have to confess, that their lack of resolve or ability to explain what troubled them about Peterson had me more concerned that I was trapped in this virtual bubble where the only acceptable response from me to show feminist creds would be, “Yeah, a total douche.”

 

[Rekkington]

Doing stuff just to do it is obviously not smartest thing around, but while listening to him I got the feeling that he was advocating for "it is too complex, we can't solve it so we shouldn't try" position.

In that sense I totally agree, and we don't actually know the full extent of the problem yet, and what we do know about it seems otherwise uncontrollable for any one party to solve. He probably wants to avoid going down this road, but climate science has absolutely zero proven predictive models and literally every single thing they have ever predicted did not come true. If you're old enough to remember the 90s you'll understand, but even stuff from the early 2000s was just plainly wrong and the dodge they give is "oh, that means it's WORSE than we thought!" So yeah, it's complex, so complex we don't fully understand it, so we run the risk of prescribed solutions doing more harm than good.

So really the problem is: we know something is happening, but we don't have a single action we can do to reverse it other than what we are doing now. His longer argument is: we've only been addressing this problem for like 25 years, and in 25 years we've done as much as is humanly possible. And I think that's true, we've turned our entire industrialization and consumption processes 180 degrees in a short amount of time. And to say "we need to do it faster!" is just causing suffering to the wrong people.

He never once said curbing pollution is useless, he never said electric cars are dumb, he was addressing the larger point. I mean the actual question was "can people come together to fight this global threat?" The obvious answer is no, of course not. The larger point is "can we all agree on what the problem is?" And that answer is also no, I don't think so, and you outlined it with the problem of ownership but I think it goes deeper than that.

And I think what people are troubled by is that an increasing amount of young people are noticing this too. The rhetoric from the left has become so alarmist and urgent and ultimately false, people have tuned it out. The left also has a pathological hatred of its own culture and identity and glorifies everything outside of it, that they will never address the real problems, like India and the Philippines. What we DON'T need to do is punish seniors in America for not recycling, what we need to do is address Filipinos for being responsible for the vast amount of oceanic pollution. Just that one fucking country is responsible for most of it. But we can't do that because it would seem xenophobic. So we are just spinning our wheels, pretending that the Communist Chinese government is "trying their best" when they say they want to go green. That's why Trump pulling out of the Paris Accord made absolute sense but people interpreted it as him wanting to kill the world because they're insane.

 

[The Wrath]

Peterson just deleted his Patreon for good.

 

[millais]

By now, he's almost certainly financially secure enough that there's no chance he'll come crawling back to the Patreon platform, even if the other alternatives he switches to fail.

 

[Rekkington]

Peterson just deleted his Patreon for good.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=WrZDcEix7uk

The real headline to all of this is that Peterson was making 33k a month at the time of deletion. I remember checking in awhile back and he had it set to private, but it appears people are running with this news now.
33k a month.

Look I am not on the side of most Peterson detractors, but the idea was that he was supposed to be using a good chunk of these funds towards projects in development.
It cannot be understated how he appears to not have even bought a decent mic and camera for his monthly streams for paying subscribers. And it's not like he is living off Patreon, the book sales and lecture income must be netting him into the millions.

 

[Puppet Pal Clem]

This is a thread?
So what, he's super tedious and wide-ranging in the points he makes?
It's all absolutely true, even the contentious stuff is true in his qualification of the accuracy of perceived research.
It's only true because he's so tedious and cautious.

The only dubious claim he's made is about the success of his purely carnivorous diet and I forgive him that because it's for his daughter.
Even then, he makes an interesting point about dietary science considering how much diet bullshit is out there and how much we fully understand about what food does to us.

 

[Jeanne d'Arc]

The real headline to all of this is that Peterson was making 33k a month at the time of deletion. I remember checking in awhile back and he had it set to private, but it appears people are running with this news now.
33k a month.

That's at time of deletion. He said he lost HALF of his Patrons after they left in protest. He could've been making 66k a month off of Patreon all of last year. Dude could've been making nearly a million dollars a year off Patreon alone, holy fucking shit.

 

[Rekkington]

That's at time of deletion. He said he lost HALF of his Patrons after they left in protest. He could've been making 66k a month off of Patreon all of last year. Dude could've been making nearly a million dollars a year off Patreon alone, holy fucking shit.

God damn... I was arguing with some of his sycophants today as they claimed he was using it all for his "new platform"... Nigga he's been getting this monthly for like 2 years, and he still has a shit camera and mic. Dude just pay your daughter 10k a month to shut the fuck up.

 

[Exceptionally Exceptional]

This is a thread?
So what, he's super tedious and wide-ranging in the points he makes?
It's all absolutely true, even the contentious stuff is true in his qualification of the accuracy of perceived research.
It's only true because he's so tedious and cautious.

The only dubious claim he's made is about the success of his purely carnivorous diet and I forgive him that because it's for his daughter.
Even then, he makes an interesting point about dietary science considering how much diet bullshit is out there and how much we fully understand about what food does to us.

I dunno, his "Atheists aren't really real atheists because they don't act like a fictional character like I think they should" claim was pretty dubious. As was his claim to have been unable to sleep for 25 days because of drinking fucking apple cider. And then there's the whole "Lobster brains dissolve and regrow" shit he spewed in his book for which he cites a study and, quelle surprise, the study claimed no such thing. I think Peterson was banking on people accepting the citation itself as evidence without checking the actual study.
And those are just the ones I remember when sleep deprived.

 

[Man vs persistent rat]

It has to be clear by now that the 25 days claim just meant 'almost no sleep'. Admittedly for Mr Logical that is a silly mistake, but it's a common one. A person delirious with flu (to create some other example) might say they couldn't sleep for half a week, but what they really mean is they drifted in and out on a few occasions while trying and feeling as though they failed to force it, when in reality they're getting occasional micro-naps that still leave them feeling like shit all the time. He may even have been aware of this and using 'no sleep' as hyperbole for most of his allocated sleeping time being spent awake, staring at the ceiling (another common if flawed way to describe a rough night).

The food causing him to feel this way is hilarious, however.

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

I dunno, his "Atheists aren't really real atheists because they don't act like a fictional character like I think they should" claim was pretty dubious. As was his claim to have been unable to sleep for 25 days because of drinking fucking apple cider. And then there's the whole "Lobster brains dissolve and regrow" shit he spewed in his book for which he cites a study and, quelle surprise, the study claimed no such thing. I think Peterson was banking on people accepting the citation itself as evidence without checking the actual study.
And those are just the ones I remember when sleep deprived.

You ever notice how all his descriptions of lobsters and their mating rituals seem to omit all the pissing they do?

 

[KobaCuppa]

For what little Peterson is worth at this point, he definitely has some value. He's like a nice little memorial of the fact that even my extremely left leaning, destiny-worshipping (Twitch Destiny - not in reference to future events) brother and I can make jokes about lobster sex, making ur bed and eating pure meat 24/7 substantiating a healthy diet. 'Tis something special

 

[Medicated]

This is a thread?
So what, he's super tedious and wide-ranging in the points he makes?
It's all absolutely true, even the contentious stuff is true in his qualification of the accuracy of perceived research.
It's only true because he's so tedious and cautious.

The only dubious claim he's made is about the success of his purely carnivorous diet and I forgive him that because it's for his daughter.
Even then, he makes an interesting point about dietary science considering how much diet bullshit is out there and how much we fully understand about what food does to us.

As I said, he was informative and helpful when he talked of his professional studies and experience, when you try to apply that lens to various other topics it was just the typical thing you usually see, someone well versed in one area of study thinking that their insights apply to all areas of study. There's no shame in saying, "I have no fucking idea what I'm talking about, my opinions in this subject are largely uninformed and I'm going to shut up now."

But for some reason people can't help themselves.

 

[ProgKing of the North]

And those are just the ones I remember when sleep deprived.

Well maybe you should lay off the apple cider

 

[sperginity]

I dunno, his "Atheists aren't really real atheists because they don't act like a fictional character like I think they should" claim was pretty dubious. As was his claim to have been unable to sleep for 25 days because of drinking fucking apple cider. And then there's the whole "Lobster brains dissolve and regrow" shit he spewed in his book for which he cites a study and, quelle surprise, the study claimed no such thing. I think Peterson was banking on people accepting the citation itself as evidence without checking the actual study.
And those are just the ones I remember when sleep deprived.

I don't think anyone cares if the citation is correct because it isn't really relevant to the point being made. The main idea is that lobster behavior is moderated by serotonin, and that their serotonin levels is correlated with their social position. Peterson could have chosen anything since lobsters to prove virtually the same point, but he picked the oldest thing to try and communicate how integral that system is to life on earth. skeptic spergs like PZ myers were falling all over themselves to debunk something that isn't really relevant because JP said it.


Anyway, there are so many ways in which peterson is cringey, especially when he gets mad. I don't think I saw anyone link to the time he streamed on accident and was using his webcam to floss his teeth, while his wife came home and they both complained about troons taking over canadian schools.

its no DSP jerk off sesh, but its pretty fucking funny to see how much he curses when he doesn't know the camera is on. His wife saves an article that she knows is going to anger him, she keeps it like a treat to bring home and announces the bullshit going down with glee, because I think they both enjoy being bitter, angry people in private. They would probably fit in on KF, actually.

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

I don't think anyone cares if the citation is correct because it isn't really relevant to the point being made. The main idea is that lobster behavior is moderated by serotonin, and that their serotonin levels is correlated with their social position. Peterson could have chosen anything since lobsters to prove virtually the same point, but he picked the oldest thing to try and communicate how integral that system is to life on earth. skeptic spergs like PZ myers were falling all over themselves to debunk something that isn't really relevant because JP said it.


Anyway, there are so many ways in which peterson is cringey, especially when he gets mad. I don't think I saw anyone link to the time he streamed on accident and was using his webcam to floss his teeth, while his wife came home and they both complained about troons taking over canadian schools.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Xo9evjjOnwE its no DSP jerk off sesh, but its pretty fucking funny to see how much he curses when he doesn't know the camera is on. His wife saves an article that she knows is going to anger him, she keeps it like a treat to bring home and announces the bullshit going down with glee, because I think they both enjoy being bitter, angry people in private. They would probably fit in on KF, actually.

That fucking face he's making in the thumbnail...

 

[Rekkington]

I don't think anyone cares if the citation is correct because it isn't really relevant to the point being made. The main idea is that lobster behavior is moderated by serotonin, and that their serotonin levels is correlated with their social position. Peterson could have chosen anything since lobsters to prove virtually the same point, but he picked the oldest thing to try and communicate how integral that system is to life on earth. skeptic spergs like PZ myers were falling all over themselves to debunk something that isn't really relevant because JP said it.

It's really weird how his detractors zero in on that point. "Oh are you saying humans are lobsters? Why should we try and be lobsters?" It's a fucking metaphor, it's to show how ancient and pervasive dominance hierarchies are and how it's reinforced biologically.
It's the weirdest thing, people go out of their way to not understand the point and pretend he is saying something else. "Oh so you're saying cleaning your room will save the world?" No dumbass, that's the lead, that's the metaphor, I don't know why people cross their arms and get so uppity about these specific things. He leans into it now because it's become a meme but it's puzzling as to why they chose these specific points to spaz out about.

He says that having your own life sorted out is important before you try and change the entire society, then it's "well what about slavery, are you saying people with messy rooms aren't allowed to fight to end slavery?" It's the dumbest shit. Yeah, that's definitely what he is saying, people who don't wash their dick aren't allowed to be against famine. What a checkmate.

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

I don't think anyone cares if the citation is correct because it isn't really relevant to the point being made. The main idea is that lobster behavior is moderated by serotonin, and that their serotonin levels is correlated with their social position. Peterson could have chosen anything since lobsters to prove virtually the same point, but he picked the oldest thing to try and communicate how integral that system is to life on earth. skeptic spergs like PZ myers were falling all over themselves to debunk something that isn't really relevant because JP said it.


Anyway, there are so many ways in which peterson is cringey, especially when he gets mad. I don't think I saw anyone link to the time he streamed on accident and was using his webcam to floss his teeth, while his wife came home and they both complained about troons taking over canadian schools.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Xo9evjjOnwE its no DSP jerk off sesh, but its pretty fucking funny to see how much he curses when he doesn't know the camera is on. His wife saves an article that she knows is going to anger him, she keeps it like a treat to bring home and announces the bullshit going down with glee, because I think they both enjoy being bitter, angry people in private. They would probably fit in on KF, actually.

He looks like the evil schoolmaster from The Wall, Christ.

 

[Iron Tarkus]

Long-time lurker here. Thought I'd come bearing some gifts for my first post. Here's a Tweet I saw a few months ago that I got a good laugh out of:

Btw, the link in the tweet was broken, in true boomer fashion.

Also, I saw someone post part of this segment about a nightmare he once had, but the whole thing really plays into the idea that Peterson is a horrorcow. Very chilling stuff.

My parents lived in a standard ranch style house, in a middle-class neighborhood, in a small town in
northern Alberta. I was sitting in the darkened basement of this house, in the family room, watching TV,
with my cousin Diane, who was in truth – in waking life – the most beautiful woman I had ever seen. A
newscaster suddenly interrupted the program. The television picture and sound distorted, and static
filled the screen. My cousin stood up and went behind the TV to check the electrical cord. She touched
it, and started convulsing and frothing at the mouth, frozen upright by intense current.
A brilliant flash of light from a small window flooded the basement. I rushed upstairs. There was
nothing left of the ground floor of the house. It had been completely and cleanly sheared away, leaving
only the floor, which now served the basement as a roof. Red and orange flames filled the sky, from
horizon to horizon. Nothing was left as far as I could see, except skeletal black ruins sticking up here
and there: no houses, no trees, no signs of other human beings or of any life whatsoever. The entire
town and everything that surrounded it on the flat prairie had been completely obliterated.
It started to rain mud, heavily. The mud blotted out everything, and left the earth brown, wet, flat and
dull, and the sky leaden, even grey. A few distraught and shell-shocked people started to gather together. They were carrying unlabelled and dented cans of food, which contained nothing but mush and
vegetables. They stood in the mud looking exhausted and disheveled. Some dogs emerged, out from
under the basement stairs, where they had inexplicably taken residence. They were standing upright, on
their hind legs. They were thin, like greyhounds, and had pointed noses. They looked like creatures of
ritual – like Anubis, from the Egyptian tombs. They were carrying plates in front of them, which
contained pieces of seared meat. They wanted to trade the meat for the cans. I took a plate. In the center
of it was a circular slab of flesh four inches in diameter and one inch thick, foully cooked, oily, with a
marrow bone in the center of it. Where did it come from?
I had a terrible thought. I rushed downstairs to my cousin. The dogs had butchered her, and were
offering the meat to the survivors of the disaster. I woke up with my heart pounding.

Full disclosure: I like Peterson's writing as well as some of his lectures, but he's definitely some breed of cow. The guy is way too weird not to be.

 

[NSA]

I liked listening to his stories he's a pretty good (if verbose) storyteller - like every pysch teacher is.

But then someone asked him if he believed in God and he - with a straight face completely devoid of irony - said something like "what do you mean by "believe", what do you mean by "God" blah blah blah don't assume my gender philosophy, also don't ask me to explain it."

Just say "yes", "no" or "not sure" you fraud.