💊 Manosphere Jordan Peterson - Internet Daddy Simulator, Post-modern Anti-postmodernist, Canadian Psychology Professor, Depressed, Got Hooked on Benzos

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I just listened to some of Jordan's discussion with a token black guy. It was actually very interesting when they got on to talking about the psychology of music and pattern recognition. It's these kinds of discussion topics that Jordan's professional background serve him well in.
 
DDR Yoga said:
Good grief, those Daily Wire discussions he's been doing are tepid. "I've found some blacks and trannies who agree with me. Checkmate Marxist demons."

I am most unimpressed by all these conservative/centrist/liberal grifters who market themselves as being open to all discussion, no holds barred, nothing off limits, but insist on talking to Shaniqua about race relations instead of Jared Taylor.

I remember back in the day when a huge section of Sam Harris' audience were pushing for him to talk to Jared Taylor and it forced him to at least come out with some weasely excuse as to why he wouldn't. I want to hear Jordan, Crowder and The Beanie tell me why one must always have honest conversations... sometimes.

Can't we get some sort of pol-style coordinated effort going on twitter to pressure Jordan to talk to someone who'll make him poo his trousers?
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I doubt Jordan would be willing to debate a man who is much more intellectual than him, Jared Taylor would unironically destroy him on race relations and leave Peterson crying when he brings up the jews and their subversion
 
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Sorry if late and gay
 
AnonymousKot said:
I doubt Jordan would be willing to debate a man who is much more intellectual than him, Jared Taylor would unironically destroy him on race relations and leave Peterson crying when he brings up the jews and their subversion
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Jordan's an admitted gatekeeper. He doesn't want anyone even remotely exposed to people like Jared Taylor.
 
CircuSphere said:
He is just repackaging Jung for a modern audience as I understand it. He's a pop-sci grifter but I don't think the ideas are stupid. Same as Black Science Man who doesn't contribute to the field and instead just runs his mouth to lay people.

Peterson deserves his downfall for being a Shapiro shill and all that entails. However I am somewhat sad because with Dawkins being stroked out and Peterson having gone full shilltard there is nobody to pick up the evolutionary psychology mantle. Which is an approach/worldview that makes far more sense to me as a way to study human psychology than baseless oedipal/fruedian nonsense.
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He has made some minor contributions to the field of personality metrics, but it's nothing groundbreaking, probably bullshit (not because Peterson, but because psychology) , and only of interest to people wanting to put statistics to personalities.
 
Me262PrinceOfTurboJet said:
Jordan's an admitted gatekeeper. He doesn't want anyone even remotely exposed to people like Jared Taylor.
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Yeah I don't think Peterson would allow Taylor a platform, because I feel Peterson is largely a 90's classical liberal. He's pretty much fine with anything, until you start imposing on others. Their entire philosophies of how Westerm society should function are at odds. Just to begin with.

Plus I feel Peterson would largely agree with Shapiro and Sowell. That African American underperformance is not due to racism or genetics, but culture. You could just hash out in your head how that debate would go.
 
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marfusha said:
There is no way Peterson would talk to a person who could actually challenge him. Even before his benzo ordeal multiple people such as Richard Wolf invited him to debate and he basically ignored it. He went to debate Zizek and made a fool out of himself despite Zizek going easy on him. Probably learned his lesson since then.
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I was watching the "debate" between Zizek and Peterson. It didn't seem like a win/lose scenario. It was more like, Peterson and Zizek, trying to exchange ideas and explain each others positions as it related to what their perspective was. It was funny when Zizek told Peterson, he was too optimistic about the nature of humanity. It was nice watching each other critique each others perspective.

I was reading the comments and I saw the communists/marxists posting how Peterson totally got owned. Like he's supposed to be "taken out". I thought it was just nice watching two guys having a chat about their positions and elucidate exactly why they held them.

I see this with audiences critical of popular figures. On one side you have the guys that think he's just an idiot. And on the other side you have people go "Well he's not the Messiah who drove out of the sky in the Care Bears cloud car, and told me to hop in because we are going to save humanity, he's a mere flawed human being, not worth listening to"

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CircuSphere said:
He is just repackaging Jung for a modern audience as I understand it. He's a pop-sci grifter but I don't think the ideas are stupid. Same as Black Science Man who doesn't contribute to the field and instead just runs his mouth to lay people.

Peterson deserves his downfall for being a Shapiro shill and all that entails. However I am somewhat sad because with Dawkins being stroked out and Peterson having gone full shilltard there is nobody to pick up the evolutionary psychology mantle. Which is an approach/worldview that makes far more sense to me as a way to study human psychology than baseless oedipal/fruedian nonsense.
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You could watch Ed Dutton on Odysee. He's the most genetic determinist man in the world.

870EVO said:
Yeah I don't think Peterson would allow Taylor a platform, because I feel Peterson is largely a 90's classical liberal. He's pretty much fine with anything, until you start imposing on others. Their entire philosophies of how Westerm society should function are at odds. Just to begin with.

Plus I feel Peterson would largely agree with Shapiro and Sowell. That African American underperformance is not due to racism or genetics, but culture. You could just hash out in your head how that debate would go.
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Jared Taylor is more pro-liberty than Jordan Peterson. He argues for freedom of association. Jordan would actually have to adopt a more authoritarian stance if he wished to disagree with Taylor.

And this is the frustrating thing with someone like Jordan. He will talk all day about the cognitive differences between men and women and why equal opportunity won't lead to equal outcome. On the topic of racial outcomes though, he's conspicuously quiet.

If ever pressed on the issue, he might go for the "it's culture" angle but if he's feeling a little bit braver he might go for the Sam Harris cop out and say "there may be differences but we shouldn't talk about it". The only chance we have of knowing is if one of his audience members asks him at an event but then again, the last time someone asked him a hard question he said "I can't talk about it".

I'd respect Jordan so much more if he would just say:

I believe in God and here's why...
I don't believe in God and here's why...
Men can be women and here's why...
Trannies disgust me and here's why...
Here's my stance on racial differences...
Here's my stance on Jewish infuence...

Even in the Matt Walsh documentary, and this seems to have slipped by a lot of people, he didn't answer the question What is a woman?.

Instead, everything we get is a fearful, flaccid non-commitment, purposefully obscured by his own claims that the subject matter is too complex or that the terms are too difficult to define, and I'm convinced his awareness that he's intellectually impotent is one of the reasons he always cries.

Jordan, by his own reckoning, is an effeminate man and this is likely the reason why he's more comfortable with works of fiction and dealing with people. Ask about the harder topics and he ruins his undies.
 
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You've already played out in your head how things will go, so you know how Jordan will respond. Even though he's a Classical Liberal, he's still a liberal. He won't touch certain topics because he thinks they are too much of a hot potato. And people like Taylor would likely want to go there. So it would a non-starter.

DDR Yoga said:
Men can be women and here's why...
Trannies disgust me and here's why...
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He said in an interview he doesn't believe a Man can be a Woman because he believes the biological markers are relevant. He will address them by their pronouns as courtesy. But he doesn't want it enshrined in law.

It's similar to the J.K Rowling thing, or the Trump thing, they are 1980's-1990's Classical Liberals. But for the media and activists that's not good enough. You aren't allowed to meet them halfway.
 
870EVO said:
You've already played out in your head how things will go, so you know how Jordan will respond. Even though he's a Classical Liberal, he's still a liberal. He won't touch certain topics because he thinks they are too much of a hot potato. And people like Taylor would likely want to go there. So it would a non-starter.



He said in an interview he doesn't believe a Man can be a Woman because he believes the biological markers are relevant. He will address them by their pronouns as courtesy. But he doesn't want it enshrined in law.

It's similar to the J.K Rowling thing, or the Trump thing, they are 1980's-1990's Classical Liberals. But for the media and activists that's not good enough. You aren't allowed to meet them halfway.
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"He won't touch certain topics because he thinks they are too much of a hot potato"

This amounts to nothing more than cowardice. He either agrees that racial differences have a significant genetic component or he agrees with the leftists in that racial differences are accounted for entirely by environment. And even if he were to take the Sam Harris line of "yes but why talk about it?", he would then need to address the dozen or so reasons any honest person could give him for why we should talk about it.

He said in an interview he doesn't believe a Man can be a Woman because he believes the biological markers are relevant. He will address them by their pronouns as courtesy. But he doesn't want it enshrined in law.

In other words, he will play along with their fantasy despite clearly believing that it's all a load of rubbish.


The reason the why the left/banking elites continue to make "progress" is because men with good instincts crumble like fucking croutons at the slightest bit of pressure.
 
DDR Yoga said:
The reason the why the left/banking elites continue to make "progress" is because men with good instincts crumble like fucking croutons at the slightest bit of pressure.
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Yes. And I think a load of people, including myself when I was younger had a certain perspective shaped by the media and education that you consumed. "There are bad people, but mostly the good guys are in charge" "News won't lie to you outright in the service of Government or NGO agenda"

Like most people don't even get to the point of even thinking about that stuff because, they are dissuaded from critical thought and skepticism in school(I imagine its even worse now), they are working most of the time, and when it's time to relax they literally do not want to hear psychopaths run shit.
 
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