💊 Manosphere Jordan Peterson - Internet Daddy Simulator, Post-modern Anti-postmodernist, Canadian Psychology Professor, Depressed, Got Hooked on Benzos

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Is that what actually happens? Where? Are people completely honest here and on 4chan, and nobody is actually a troll or a ween?

You don’t think that even anonymized, people alter their opinions for external validation?
Pseudonymity is a form of anonymity, for one. This website would be an example of that. Twitter has a lot of pseudonymous people as well. Not everything needs to be political, and trolling/weening really could be seen as an extension of the honesty provided by anonymity. Most people who troll or ween, wouldn't, if they had their identities attached to their posts.

And yeah sure, the second is true. But are you actually trying to compare being an anonymous attention whore to people self-censoring when they're posting with their actual name attached? I'm willing to be generous here and just call that naive. But I would normally call that incredibly dishonest.

If internet anonymity was stomped out in it's early stages this site wouldn't exist. Lolcow following culture wouldn't exist. Hell, most of the content on the internet wouldn't exist - it'd just serve as an alternative way to watch mainstream television programming. Another propaganda box.
 
Pseudonymity is a form of anonymity, for one. This website would be an example of that. Twitter has a lot of pseudonymous people as well.
If pseudonyms still don’t connect to an actual identity, I think there’s less distance between pseudonymity and anonymity than pseudonymity and irl identity
And yeah sure, the second is true. But are you actually trying to compare being an anonymous attention whore to people self-censoring when they're posting with their actual name attached? I'm willing to be generous here and just call that naive. But I would normally call that incredibly dishonest.
I’ve personally not held back from sharing my actual opinions in real life. I don’t have a Facebook or anything, so that’s not applicable, but the only censorship I apply to myself is to take out insults and be a bit more careful about broad generalizations. That makes the things I say IRL more accurate, not less.
If internet anonymity was stomped out in it's early stages this site wouldn't exist. Lolcow following culture wouldn't exist. Hell, most of the content on the internet wouldn't exist - it'd just serve as an alternative way to watch mainstream television programming. Another propaganda box.
I’d still be here laughing at cows if the standard was to use your real identity. Josh runs this place without anonymity. I don’t ween anyways, and I think for the most part it would just help keep the glass intact and stop people from touching cows.

Maybe some borderline cows wouldn’t be cows, but for example, I’ve told a lot of family members about how hilarious some of the Chris stories have been, like the early love quest stuff.

If bluespike never happened, that would be a positive, not a negative. Weening sucks
 
If pseudonyms still don’t connect to an actual identity, I think there’s less distance between pseudonymity and anonymity than pseudonymity and irl identity

I’ve personally not held back from sharing my actual opinions in real life. I don’t have a Facebook or anything, so that’s not applicable, but the only censorship I apply to myself is to take out insults and be a bit more careful about broad generalizations. That makes the things I say IRL more accurate, not less.

I’d still be here laughing at cows if the standard was to use your real identity. Josh runs this place without anonymity. I don’t ween anyways, and I think for the most part it would just help keep the glass intact and stop people from touching cows.

Maybe some borderline cows wouldn’t be cows, but for example, I’ve told a lot of family members about how hilarious some of the Chris stories have been, like the early love quest stuff.

If bluespike never happened, that would be a positive, not a negative. Weening sucks
I can put the proof to what I'm saying right here and now.

Post your real name and address. Or, alternatively, justify as to why you shouldn't have to, so you can go ahead and make my point even more obvious than it is already.

De-anonymizing the internet, it's consequences, why it would've been shit if it had happened much earlier in the life of the internet, all of these things and more that I could bring up are obvious. Obvious enough that I shouldn't have to state them, obvious enough that a man with a doctorate in psychology who professes to be a free speech advocate should know damn well better than to demand it, and obvious enough that you already know it.

This is why, normally, I just tell people who, like yourself, are going through the motions of argumentation against it to fuck themselves. Not that I'm telling you to, as I'm in a decent mood today and don't want to immediately assume you're one of "those types", but to let you know why I normally find even the thought of having to argue it fucking repulsive. I don't find the idea of letting a foot in that door even a micrometer as anything other than disgusting.
 
I can put the proof to what I'm saying right here and now.

Post your real name and address. Or, alternatively, justify as to why you shouldn't have to, so you can go ahead and make my point even more obvious than it is already.
The reason I won’t is because the anonymity that exists creates a disparity if one person loses it.

Then someone who has no likelihood of facing accountability could decide to “punish” me for being “gay” by not conforming to the standard practice of maintaining anonymity and being part of the herd that weens use for cover.

So my behavior is not free and uninhibited by anonymity.
De-anonymizing the internet, it's consequences, why it would've been shit if it had happened much earlier in the life of the internet, all of these things and more that I could bring up are obvious. Obvious enough that I shouldn't have to state them, obvious enough that a man with a doctorate in psychology who professes to be a free speech advocate should know damn well better than to demand it, and obvious enough that you already know it.

This is why, normally, I just tell people who, like yourself, are going through the motions of argumentation against it to fuck themselves. Not that I'm telling you to, as I'm in a decent mood today and don't want to immediately assume you're one of "those types", but to let you know why I normally find even the thought of having to argue it fucking repulsive. I don't find the idea of letting a foot in that door even a micrometer as anything other than disgusting.
Don’t worry, my argument is hypothetical and Utopianist. I think things all sort of eventually succumb to gravity and it’s mostly the same either way.

Would like to point out, though, that your heaping scorn on a perceived hypothetical “type” of person that I might end up as if my opinions aren’t correct also lends itself to the failure of anonymity to deliver its promised rewards about intellectual honesty
 
Is that what actually happens? Where? Are people completely honest here and on 4chan, and nobody is actually a troll or a ween?

You don’t think that even anonymized, people alter their opinions for external validation?

Edit to add: anonymity is behind 100% of swatting, and the life-ruination shit when not perpetrated by CNN or Taylor Lorenz is largely driven by trolls of the opposite ideology. You can’t divorce anonymity from accountability.
There are always going to be bad actors in any sort of forum of discussion. The difference between a troll on this site or 4chan trolling you and an active mob of people hunting you down and ruining your life since your non-approved of post is associated with your name should be obvious: you can turn off the PC and stop using the site when trolls are bothering you. Not so much when you are fucking homeless and have no job prospects to feed you or possobly your family if you say something against TPTB. That's why putting your real name or anything that can identify you was always a bad idea and something from the early internet that persisted to this day (albeit in many different forms).
 
There are always going to be bad actors in any sort of forum of discussion. The difference between a troll on this site or 4chan trolling you and an active mob of people hunting you down and ruining your life since your non-approved of post is associated with your name should be obvious: you can turn off the PC and stop using the site when trolls are bothering you. Not so much when you are fucking homeless and have no job prospects to feed you or possobly your family if you say something against TPTB. That's why putting your real name or anything that can identify you was always a bad idea and something from the early internet that persisted to this day (albeit in many different forms).
There are weens on KiwiFarms.

Edit to add:

The night before last, @Strasse logged into Ethan Ralph’s power chat account after Ralph fucked up and showed his password on stream.

I’m not saying that to morally grandstand and talk doomer shit, it likely won’t get back to him. But that’s an illustration of “the difference between here and 4chan.”

There isn’t much.
 
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The reason I won’t is because the anonymity that exists creates a disparity if one person loses it.

Then someone who has no likelihood of facing accountability could decide to “punish” me for being “gay” by not conforming to the standard practice of maintaining anonymity and being part of the herd that weens use for cover.

So my behavior is not free and uninhibited by anonymity.
The disparity is exactly what I'm saying though. That disparity only exists because you aren't as honest when you aren't anonymous. Like I said, even if you think you are, you're not. Otherwise, such a disparity wouldn't exist.

Which is what I meant by "I can put the proof to it right now": if you really, deep-down, felt that you were correct about the lack of anonymity not being a big deal, or the idea that this site would exist (lol) and you'd be on it (lmao) if the internet was de-anonymized from the get go, there would be no "disparity" and there'd be no fear of reprisal for connecting your name and address to your KF profile.
Don’t worry, my argument is hypothetical and Utopianist. I think things all sort of eventually succumb to gravity and it’s mostly the same either way.

Would like to point out, though, that your heaping scorn on a perceived hypothetical “type” of person that I might end up as if my opinions aren’t correct also lends itself to the failure of anonymity to deliver its promised rewards about intellectual honesty
I'd rather have to deal with deceptive shitdicks who are anonymous, than have the unfettered ability to directly impact the lives of wrongthinkers immediately handed over to various world governments. Everything else I've already said, and more I won't, obviously, are included in the big box of "things I'd rather take dealing with dishonest argumentation over having exist".
 
The disparity is exactly what I'm saying though. That disparity only exists because you aren't as honest when you aren't anonymous. Like I said, even if you think you are, you're not. Otherwise, such a disparity wouldn't exist.
So life ruination = honesty? Actual honesty would look more like us both being deanonymized, not one of us, so you couldn’t escape responsibility for alogging.

Consequence is part of nature. It drives evolution. Escaping consequence does not increase honesty. It enables dishonesty.

How many people on the internet are internet tough guys, do you think?

Patrick Tomlinson gets away with pretending to be one because the physical separation between him and the people he’s applying it to. However, on another level, how many people can pretend they’d win the fight when there’s MORE distance and LESS information?
Which is what I meant by "I can put the proof to it right now": if you really, deep-down, felt that you were correct about the lack of anonymity not being a big deal, or the idea that this site would exist (lol) and you'd be on it (lmao) if the internet was de-anonymized from the get go, there would be no "disparity" and there'd be no fear of reprisal for connecting your name and address to your KF profile.

I'd rather have to deal with deceptive shitdicks who are anonymous, than have the unfettered ability to directly impact the lives of wrongthinkers immediately handed over to various world governments. Everything else I've already said, and more I won't, obviously.
 
So life ruination = honesty? Actual honesty would look more like us both being deanonymized, not one of us, so you couldn’t escape responsibility for alogging.

Consequence is part of nature. It drives evolution. Escaping consequence does not increase honesty.
"Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom of consequences" the post. Equating people being and saying what and who they actually are, even if it's negative, with something other than honesty is a dishonest equivocation of the sort that tells me you have an agenda.

Yeah, we're done here. Tell Peterson I said hi in his superchats or whatever.

Edit: To drive home why I'm not going to bother with taking this conversation further: it's clear to me you care more about people being nice to one another, even if it's forced at metaphorical gunpoint, than you care about people being their honest selves, even if who some people really are is a bunch of stupid dickheads.

I clearly would rather live in a world where people have a space to be the real person they are under their front they put up for irl shit. Even if it means accepting the existence of weens, alogs, etc. Much like how I'd rather live in a country where the second amendment exists, even if it means gun-related crime is higher on average.
 
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There are weens on KiwiFarms.

Edit to add:

The night before last, @Strasse logged into Ethan Ralph’s power chat account after Ralph fucked up and showed his password on stream.

I’m not saying that to morally grandstand and talk doomer shit, it likely won’t get back to him. But that’s an illustration of “the difference between here and 4chan.”

There isn’t much.
I'm talking more about the difference between places like 4chan/the Farms and Twitter. The people that get fucked with almost always doxed themselves and had very bad opsec while being inflammatory in someway. They associated their online persona with their real life person in a way that was more than coincidental and are paying the price for it.
 
"Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom of consequences" the post.
I get that most of the time when people say that, they’re talking about manufactured consequence. I’m not.

Is it honesty to walk into someone’s house and rob them? The reason most people don’t is because consequence. Morals are relative, they are formed after observing natural consequence. Even dumb animals defend themselves and their possessions.

If we observe security camera footage of a robbery, is that a net increase or decrease of honesty? Sounds like you would say it is a decrease in honesty.
Equating people being and saying what and who they actually are, even if it's negative, with something other than honesty is a dishonest equivocation of the sort that tells me you have an agenda.
Which is?
Yeah, we're done here. Tell Peterson I said hi in his superchats or whatever.

Edit: To drive home why I'm not going to bother with taking this conversation further: it's clear to me you care more about people being nice to one another, even if it's forced at metaphorical gunpoint, than you care about people being their honest selves, even if who some people really are is a bunch of stupid dickheads.
“Even if it’s forced at metaphorical gunpoint”

See top reply
I clearly would rather live in a world where people have a space to be the real person they are under their front they put up for irl shit. Even if it means accepting the existence of weens, alogs, etc. Much like how I'd rather live in a country where the second amendment exists, even if it means gun-related crime is higher on average.

 
People who advocate for de-anonymization of the internet deserve [REDACTED] and every ounce of vitriol they receive.
A MATI moment, but anyone from the west who claims that the Internet must be deanoned is batshit retarded. Peterson wants anons to go because of "invisible demons" aka anons who ridicule him in twatter but in shithole countries, the question of Internet anonymity can be literary a question of life and death. Belarus, Russia, Iran, the SA, China, a good half of Africa do I need to continue? By now internet anonymity equals free speech, one should either be tarded or paid to say otherwise. Maybe those western "free thinkers" should also think a bit outside the place they dwell in.
 
It's interesting watching all the usual suspects I see piling into other threads repeating MSM narrative. Are also here in this thread spouting the same MSM points about Peterson.

I mean I know he's not perfect at all. But this near TDS levels of hatred is not good for you.
Can't always let politics dictate who you are allowed to make fun of.

Some people put complete dorks on a pedestal just because they agree with them on something.
 
Can't always let politics dictate who you are allowed to make fun of.

Some people put complete dorks on a pedestal just because they agree with them on something.
I'm prepared to make fun, just on an apolitical level. A lot of here seem to have a political axe to grind thats all.

I just wish he'd stop crying so much, he looks ridiculous, like someone just ran over his dog.
 
I'm prepared to make fun, just on an apolitical level. A lot of here seem to have a political axe to grind thats all.

I just wish he'd stop crying so much, he looks ridiculous, like someone just ran over his dog.

I just wish he'd tell us what his politics are.

"No, I can't talk about it."
"You're trying to put me in a bwooaarx."
"Always speak the truth. Sometimes."
"Well, it depends what you mean by Benzos."
 
I just wish he'd tell us what his politics are.

"No, I can't talk about it."
"You're trying to put me in a bwooaarx."
"Always speak the truth. Sometimes."
"Well, it depends what you mean by Benzos."

From watching a lot of his stuff he seems like an old school liberal, from like the 80's or 90's. You know all the standard stuff, opportunity for all, equality under the law, freedom of speech etc etc....

But since the overton window has shifted so much. He's now considered by the MSM as alt-right or far right.

Petersons still buttblasted about trolls and is doubling down

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People are just fucking destroying him in the comments. Not trolling him, just fucking demolishing his argument.

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Juden Peterstein's head has gotten so big from being just the best shabbos goy for the daily wire kikes that he thinks naming the jew, even in a puff piece, is safe. But pointing out jewish presence, not to mention power or influence, outside of jewish circles or ever by a non-jew is anuddah shoah. Grab your popcorn.

Sidenote: top reply is by lucas 'keffal' "oh god where is my dick what happened"


"
The Jew is immunized against all dangers: one may call him a scoundrel, parasite, swindler, profiteer, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But call him a Jew and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: “I’ve been found out.”

One cannot defend himself against the Jew. He attacks with lightning speed from his position of safety and uses his abilities to crush any attempt at defense.
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Jordan Peterson is ultimately an intelligent individual. However, I think he is in the throes of a long-term nervous breakdown that he's never really recovered from. The quick mood changes, sudden emotional outbursts and general "out to get me" paranoia are all classic examples of that. Add on his previously admitted drug addictions, and addiction to social media and constant need to engage with it, despite his insistence on the opposite, and you have a huge clusterfuck of a situation for a very unstable individual.

His calls to de-anonymize the internet are both horrifying and symptomatic of his psychological issues. He might call them "troll-demons", Andrew Tate called them "The Matrix", and other people just call them haters, trolls, or learn to ignore them completely. And if he were in a better mental state, he would realize that he's calling for the complete opposite of what he claims to stand for. In the modern "cancel culture" world where you can be fired from your job, lose your livelihood, or even be murdered in certain places for saying the wrong thing, calling for the public outing of everyone or the segregation of opinions over your own hurt feelings is downright ludicrous and asinine. Thats no better than Fidel Trudeau trying to pull his psychology credentials from him for going against the current Canadian Communist Regime. The thing about JP is that he is privileged enough to where he doesn't really have to worry about the repercussions of "wrongthink" to the degree that the average person does. If he loses a couple of speaking engagements over a troon's hurt feelings, he can always make it up another time. But if someone on the KF is outed in real life for saying "Nigger Faggot" they might lose their home, job, spouse, kids. etc. Even a 2-tiered system of realnvs anonymous identities would effectively segregate the internet to a "ruling class" and "peasant class". We've already seen that on Twitter where until very recently, the Blue Checkmark™️ was the account of someone who held the correct opinions and bribed the admins for favouritism was properly verified and held to a higher standard of authenticity vs. any anonymous person. And even in a freely available forum, people are naturally averse to posting unfiltered thoughts under their real names. I remember when the Gawker media sites forced logins under Facebook Twitter or other pseudo-authentic accounts and the site traffic dropped considerably.




The internet didn't make me dumber, more degenerate, or meaner. I think people give way too much shit about the lives of others. The internet vastly improved my life, I think I wouldn't be even 10% of what I'm nowadays without the internet. I live in a small city in a third-world country and I have learned about programming, 3d modeling - even made my own game from scratch - had access to the best resources about music theory you can imagine, learned English, watched a shitton of old and classic films, discovered music I never knew existed, and so on. It's a world of culture and learning that would be absolutely impossible for me otherwise.

I honestly feel insulted when people look at it decades ago and proclaim life was so much better than right now. Sometimes I feel these people wish I remained a fucking retarded ignorant peasant. I take it personally every time. At the end of the day, it's just good old elitism and classism.
The internet is both the greatest invention and the worst enemy of our modern day culture. As you stated, when held to it's ideals, it is an excellent opportunity for learning, connecting with other people, and advancing humanity as a whole. But on the other hand, government and corporate interests are ruining it as well, just like everything else that they touch. Once people with power and money realized that there was money and control, it was game over. Now we're in the throes of shadowbanning, crusades against "misinformation" which is just a code word for wrongthink against whoever is in power, and corporate governance where companies like Apple or Monsanto can greenwash their images, showing commercials of happy people and making empty platitudes about how theyre "carbon neutral" and "reinvesting in the future of earth". Meanwhile, Nestle is sucking public aquifers dry while people and agriculture go thirsty, DuPont has literally poisoned the entire world, and child slave labor in horrific conditions is used for Lithium-ion battery production. But don't you DARE say a "Bad Word™️" on the internet lest you offend someone and get banned from some social media platform. 🙄
Sometimes he comes off like a guy who is being heavily blackmailed over some dark and terrible secret, sounds insane, probably true etc.
I wouldn't necessarily say that JP is being blackmailed, but more like he knows who butters his bread, so he toes the line where necessary. Since he no longer has to depend on his psychology degree for his livelihood, he can (rightfully) publicly stand up to and call out the Canadian dictatorship government for their overreach and borderline dystopian "reeducation" efforts against him. But since he's now on the DW payroll, he's simping for the (((JEWS))) and defending Israel against all real and perceived transgressions.
Joe Rogan poses as a critic, but at most he offers approved, licensed safe semi dissidence. The Matt Walsh interview, that he's pushed so hard on Spotify says as much.
The funny thing about the Matt Walsh interview on JRE was that Joe didn't even push him with any really hard questions. Joe simply asking Matt Walsh to justify his religious beliefs for marriage and posting high school debate team level questions caused his entire stance to crumble like a newly constructed Chinese skyscraper. And the beauty of the whole thing was that you could see Matt realised it was happening in real-time as well. I tend to agree with and respect MW when he rails against trannies and pedos, and the general degenerate faggotry that is rampant in modern culture, but he definitely deserved the L in this situation.
 
@Smar Mijou

Andrew Tate called them "The Matrix"
No I think Andrew Tate refers to "The Matrix" as the establishment. People who follow establishment narrative are trapped in the Matrix. They are asleepo


I wouldn't necessarily say that JP is being blackmailed, but more like he knows who butters his bread,

People will say he's been completely captured by the Jews, but he was able to call out the WEF. And Klaus Schwab heads the WEF, a Jew, even related to the Rothschilds. So it appears there isn't a singular illuminati at the top as the conspriacy theorists like to think. Maybe it's just like down here, various power factions.

The funny thing about the Matt Walsh interview on JRE was that Joe didn't even push him with any really hard questions.

Matt Walsh isn't that amazing. He reiterates obvious points you or me can come up with. But when pressed himself. He falls apart.
 
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