Joaquin Phoenix as the Joker - Won an Oscar

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What will the combined score of shootings blamed on "Joker" be after opening weekend?

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    Votes: 13 11.7%
  • 1-10

    Votes: 23 20.7%
  • 11-20

    Votes: 3 2.7%
  • 21-39

    Votes: 5 4.5%
  • 40+

    Votes: 67 60.4%

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    111
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I doubt it. I see Joker's success as sort of the modern rock n' roll or Grand Theft Auto. I don't think it'd have done nearly as well if the media didn't freak out so hard over it. People are fascinated by things the media tells them they aren't allowed to enjoy, this is a pattern we've been seeing for at least 60+ years now. And just like rock n' roll and Grand Theft Auto, the actual product isn't nearly as awful or corrupting as they predicted. So the media gives the product they've been decrying more publicity and people who wouldn't care otherwise become attracted to it.
we've had decades of moral busybodies being snubbed by the general public
and yet they're still so surprised that people don't want to listen to them
hell anyone with two brain cells would have realized if you wanted to kill all support for the movies, you could have just supported it

how many people would have just noped out if there were articles about how joker was about "a brave man with mental problems and his brave black girlfriend defeating the rich" instead of the screeching of "INCEL ARMIES, MASS SHOOTINGS, WAMMIN MOST EFFECTED"?
 
how many people would have just noped out if there were articles about how joker was about "a brave man with mental problems and his brave black girlfriend defeating the rich" instead of the screeching of "INCEL ARMIES, MASS SHOOTINGS, WAMMIN MOST EFFECTED"?

That's implying the NPCs would've been smart enough to think ahead for themselves. Even so, all it would take to kill that narrative was someone (typically a YouTuber to spread the word faster) seeing the movie and debunking that claim right out of the gate. Indeed, that's what killed their incel narrative. Word of mouth is still a handy tool to use even in the modern technological era, so even if opening weekend didn't go as well, I think Joker still would've climbed to number one in the box office, and still turned a profit. There's also Joaquin and Todd speaking out against the media's bullshit, they'd have done that regardless.
 
I doubt it. I see Joker's success as sort of the modern rock n' roll or Grand Theft Auto. I don't think it'd have done nearly as well if the media didn't freak out so hard over it. People are fascinated by things the media tells them they aren't allowed to enjoy, this is a pattern we've been seeing for at least 60+ years now. And just like rock n' roll and Grand Theft Auto, the actual product isn't nearly as awful or corrupting as they predicted. So the media gives the product they've been decrying more publicity and people who wouldn't care otherwise become attracted to it.
It reminds me a bit of Bob Larson, a fundamentalist Christian radio preacher active in the 1990s who was always talking about the evils of Satanism and witchcraft and demonic possession and would actually play bits of "Satanic music" on his show and invite bands like the Electric Hellfire Club into his studio to argue with him on the air. (He was even sampled at the beginning of this song by the group.) Naturally, this led to teenagers from Christian households being exposed to music they otherwise wouldn't have heard and liking it, so he probably led more people to Satan than he ever led to Jesus.
 
While I dont think the media hysteria and unsubtle attempts to sabotage the film's release contributed much to its overall success, I will be honest and say that the contrived horseshit being spewed against the film and the resulting memery by dank niggas accross the internet were a factor in making me say "oh why not then..." and actively going out and watching it in the theatre, which is shit I almost never do, so I think it helped a few more people filter in as the weeks went by to see what the film was really like
 
Man I'll be honest, I knew Phoenix would be the second best Joker besides Ledger honestly all because of Gladiator.

The Oscars should burn down if Phoenix doesn't win.
 
Man I'll be honest, I knew Phoenix would be the second best Joker besides Ledger honestly all because of Gladiator.

There are no rankings, only the trinity of Hamill, Ledger and Phoenix. They are equal parts of the Joker Triad and cannot be viewed in the way you suggest.
 
America has always been a rebellious, frontier society. This is why we're viewed as crass by Europe. We don't like being told what to do, what to listen to or what to say.

The more we're told to not like something, the more it captures our attention. The more we're told it's dangerous, the more we want it. That's why moral movements always fail in America. Inevitably we overwhelm the moral police by flouting them, ignoring their opinions and shutting them down.

It might seem like we've changed, but we haven't. We have always possessed this rebellious spirit.

That's why I think all this talk of fake news and fake fearmongering is a general failure to understand the average American. We will think what we want, regardless of what our 'betters' think or us. Deem it fake news. Censor it. Wipe it away. It never will work.

It's just that fallacy the media keeps making over and over again. The Joker is just another example of Americans flouting 'what is good for them' as determined by an elitist class.
 
Man I'll be honest, I knew Phoenix would be the second best Joker besides Ledger honestly all because of Gladiator.

The Oscars should burn down if Phoenix doesn't win.
When I first saw the film, I thought that he was going to be a sure bet, but he's facing some pretty stiff competition this year.
 
When I first saw the film, I thought that he was going to be a sure bet, but he's facing some pretty stiff competition this year.
Like who? (Not actually disagreeing with your statement, genuinely curious. I didn't see very many movies this year.)
 
Have a magnet link then:
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man, i don't even know what that's supposed to be
i'll just buy it anyway, it deserves my money
 
Finally got around to watching the movie and once again I'm left questioning my own sanity and when it is exactly that I slipped into the clown world dimension.

This, Goblin Slayer and Shield Hero all started an absolute shitstorm on social media with talking heads and MSM all falling over themselves to decry them as everything from sexist to fascist. That one really puzzles me...someone up thread pointed out that Joker's undertone is very progressive. There is a shot where one of the protestors is holding a 'Wayne is Fascist' sign for fuck sake.

There have always been the 'think of the children' types, usually barren women well past middle-age with nothing better to do. But here we have relatively young and left leaning people doing the pearl clutching and I'm left scratching my head wondering why. Are they really all just butthurt that this movie about a demented clown's spiral into insanity is way better that the shitty sassy whaman super hero movie?

Truly, we live in a society.
 
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Finally got around to watching the movie and once again I'm left questioning my own sanity and when it is exactly that I slipped into the clown world dimension.

This, Goblin Slayer and Shield Hero all started an absolute shitstorm on social media with talking heads and MSM all falling over themselves to decry them as everything from sexist to fascist. That one really puzzles me...someone up thread pointed out that Joke's undertone is very progressive. There is a shot where one of the protestors is holding a 'Wayne is Fascist' sign for fuck sake.

There have always been the 'think of the children' types, usually barren women well past middle-age with nothing better to do. But here we have relatively young and left leaning people doing the pearl clutching and I'm left scratching my head wondering why. Are they really all just butthurt that this movie about a demented clown's spiral into insanity is way better that the shitty sassy whaman super hero movie?

Truly, we live in a society.
i never got the "racism" angle

out of the people we see die or think die
they're all white
hell, only two women die compared to
3 on the subway
1 co-worker
1 talk show host
1 guy accidentally shot by the cops
and
1 mr. wayne

but you have idiots like bob chipman marching up and down (riding his motorized scooter in bob's case) about how the movie hates blacks and women

more men are killed, and one male child is left an orphan.. tell me how women are affected more
 
There have always been the 'think of the children' types, usually barren women well past middle-age with nothing better to do. But here we have relatively young and left leaning people doing the pearl clutching and I'm left scratching my head wondering why. Are they really all just butthurt that this movie about a demented clown's spiral into insanity is way better that the shitty sassy whaman

The logic doesn't make any sense except you have to think of SJWs in a creative sphere. They hate the Joker for several reasons:

1) White men can never be victims. White men must always be cartoonishly evil. Arthur being poor, abused and mentally ill goes right up against all of their narratives. Its as much as dealing with false rape accusations in Shield Hero (which are far more common than they like to think) and to outright rape in Goblin Slayer (as in, what do you think petty evil creatures would do to the women they captured?). SJW media is basically just propaganda. Anything that disputes their propaganda must be vilified.

2) SJWs believe that if you see something, you will emulate it. They believe that imagery and ideas are like a zombie virus, where if you see it in something resembling a positive light, you will imitate it. They have no belief in independent thought and believe you can be brainwashed by pop culture, which is generally impossible. Brainwashing is, in and of itself, almost utterly impossible except at the end of a gun. People who are 'brainwashed' are generally just sheltered and refused to be exposed to other ideas on their own. To be frank, people become brainwashed because they want to. Being part of a mob that is never wrong, lets face it, feels really fucking good. Being part of that group is self-reinforcing. Its basically institutionalization, like with criminals. They're held hostage by their own mentality so they need to be in that little box. The world is too big and frightening for them, and that small, narrow box of their minds is much safer. They believe everyone is like them, so they clamp down hard.

3) SJWs posses no ability to empathize. They cannot put themselves in the shoes of anyone else, which is why they get so much wrong about the world, and their own institutionalization and desire for simplicity in complex ideology shuts out women, minorities, LGBT folk who challenge their narrative.

So you put these three factors together, its not hard to see why they dislike the movie so much. They're mentally stunted fucktards who can't empathize or understand anything outside of their small bubble and believe you can catch ideas like a virus.
 
2) SJWs believe that if you see something, you will emulate it. They believe that imagery and ideas are like a zombie virus, where if you see it in something resembling a positive light, you will imitate it. They have no belief in independent thought and believe you can be brainwashed by pop culture, which is generally impossible. Brainwashing is, in and of itself, almost utterly impossible except at the end of a gun. People who are 'brainwashed' are generally just sheltered and refused to be exposed to other ideas on their own. To be frank, people become brainwashed because they want to. Being part of a mob that is never wrong, lets face it, feels really fucking good. Being part of that group is self-reinforcing. Its basically institutionalization, like with criminals. They're held hostage by their own mentality so they need to be in that little box. The world is too big and frightening for them, and that small, narrow box of their minds is much safer. They believe everyone is like them, so they clamp down hard.
i'm going to try to put this into words as best as i can
you can be brainwashed by something if it gives you something you need
people join cults because they usually give them sense of mind and shit like that

SJWs love the media they love because it gives them something, a feeling of power and control, or it makes them feel like they are doing the right thing. and it seems most of them haven't progressed beyond the childish "stories exist for moral reasons".
and they can't understand that someone might want to watch a movie for just a story
they can't understand that someone might want to watch a horror film to be thrilled
they can't understand that someone might want to watch an action film to watch cool people kick ass
they can't understand that someone might want a story where the hero falters and has to struggle

to these people, media exists to pat them on the head and tell them they are good boys and girls
 
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