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Senior Lexmechanic said:
1. That 'universal hatred' persisted mostly in Europe, and
2. has mostly to do with tensions between the Roman empire and Israel, which led to the Jewish diaspora after the sack of Judea.
3. When the Jews moved into Europe, tensions arose due to reasons listed above by other users and leftover Roman resentment over their refusal to accept a "Roman" identity.
But sure, let's say they're hated because of their Evil Kosher Goblin Magic or whatever the hell you think.
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i never said anything about europe or whatever racist thing you think that i think. you need to chill out, seriously. i'm sorry you misinterpreted what i was saying, sheesh.
 
Apoth42 said:
The idea that "gods chosen" should be privileged is made pretty clear in the old testament.
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It’s not that they are “chosen” in the sense that they are privileged. The Jews were chosen for a special fate by God to create Israel, birth Jesus, and eventually fulfill many prophecies yet to happen.

They are special, certainly. But God told them to be impartial to other people, and vice versa. Something we all still have yet to live up to lol


but glory and honor and peace to everyone who does good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. For there is no partiality with God. (Romans 2:10-11)
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Apoth42 said:
The idea that "gods chosen" should be privileged is made pretty clear in the old testament.
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You are deliberately avoiding my actual point:
However, these groups don't concentrate their power to enact vengeance on "the stupid goyim".
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Where and how, exactly, are Jews using their conspiracy to enact vengeance on "the stupid goyim"? Be specific.
 
Give Her The D said:
Do you believe in the (((Jewish))) question?

Shit up about how Jews are ruining the world here.
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Your question is mildly re tarded. What would someone believe if they believe in the jewish question? I doubt that two people would give the same answer to that question.

Besides people don't believe in a question. They believe in answers.

The jewish question is a topic discussion, as many questions are. Like your question is. The jewish question as topic itself is taboo and in many countries, illegal. I don't think it's worth discussing generally, since the discussion rests on so many topics where people have a different understanding about them and are unable to have an honest open discussion about them.

Like you could have a discussion about the wage gap and have it be fruitful, because even if you disagree and even if I think the mainstream version of it is batshit insane, it's possible to have a simple discussion about the topic and have both or more participants actually bring across the meaning of their words and concepts.

A discussion about feminism is less fruitful since it depends on a lot of smaller topics like the wage gap, sexism, gender roles.

The jewish question is like that. It requires first a discussion about holocaust, bolshevism, israel and the jewish revolutionary spirit before you can begin to make progress at the central topic.

One of these subtopics is illegal to discuss or ask questions about; another is as heavily politicized like any US election and one requires some study that is continually suppressed.

If you ask me, this conversation will not be allowed to take place and the result is increasing violence in both directions. But since a considerable number of people are convinced that this discussion itself will lead to violence, the discussion will mostly be resisted as if it would prevent a civil war to do so.
 
The Jews invented Astro-Turf, because they hate grass!

But seriously, most Jewish conspiracy theories are bullshit and while George Soros and Mark Zuckerberg can both go fuck themselves, they are not representative of the Jewish community as a whole.

Most of these Anti-Semite conspiracy loons need a scapegoat to blame for their own personal failings and the Jews make for an easy target due to historical reasons dating back to at least the time of the Roman Empire and because the Jewish people are well-known for a culture that values both competency and a strong sense of community.

It's also sort of lulzy when Anti-Semites say the Jews killed Jesus when historically speaking, Jesus himself was Jewish, and a Middle Eastern Jew on top of that.
 
Since quite a few have labeled my previous comment 'dumb' without putting into words any of their thoughts about it, I'll give one bit for people to contemplate, agree or disagree.

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Seen a ways back on Twitter: "half the world's Jews are scattered across the globe, where the preach free trade, open borders, and multiculturalism. The other half are in Israel, where they practice protectionism, Trump walls, and niggerdeath."
 
Krokodil Overdose said:
Seen a ways back on Twitter: "half the world's Jews are scattered across the globe, where the preach free trade, open borders, and multiculturalism. The other half are in Israel, where they practice protectionism, Trump walls, and niggerdeath."
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Eh, there’s also a considerable amount of Jews that inhabit the right-wing in America.
 
How many jews can fit into a Volkswagen Bug? Two in the front, two in the back and about a thousand in the ashtray.

Kidding aside, my main problem with them is two-fold:

1) The way they hold themselves apart from others, specifically, to them they are jews first and Americans second.

2) How dismissive they are when it comes to non-jews.

FWIW, I've really only noticed this with the more religious fundamental types. You average American jew is usually just a regular guy that happens to have an uncle that's really versed in tax laws and knows some quasi-legal loopholes to help his nephew save a few shekels. Something that most Americans, if given the chance would jump at.
 
lowkey said:
Since quite a few have labeled my previous comment 'dumb' without putting into words any of their thoughts about it . . .
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I rated your post 'dumb' because it was little more than a conspiratorial Aut-Reich screed which served only to belie a cowardly prejudice.

The Jewish people have continually been made the world's scapegoat for no other reason than the fact they have managed to enjoy continued success despite centuries of persecution, and there is really nothing more to it than that.

I have already given the best explanation for why Jews are disproportionately able to rise to positions of prestige and influence (their studious culture and perseverance), but this explanation is never good enough for people like you because you would rather resent and pathologize their success than have the good character to give them the credit they deserve and learn from their example.

This is why I have no time for antisemitism. Of all the bigotries that man is capable of possessing, I can think of very few that are quite so pernicious and contemptible. It is an entirely self-pitying doctrine, embraced exclusively by those who would rather blame their shortcomings on the hard-won achievements of others, than work towards the betterment of themselves and their people.

If you want proof of this, look at any society where antisemitism is rife.
 
Hellbound Hellhound said:
I have already given the best explanation for why Jews are disproportionately able to rise to positions of prestige and influence
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I don't think you're giving the topic serious thought.

Because what you write here is not mutually exclusive with what I wrote.

You presume racism/antisemitism and close your ears and mind to talk about the topic at all.

I doubt you're curious about it considering what you wrote, but I agree that what you wrote is part of the explanation for why jews disproportionally rise to prestige, power and influence.

We'd probably disagree that the genetics plays a role as well. After all Askhenazi IQ is the highest average IQ of a genetic group we've found. Since you can look up the study yourself and it's rather robust, I will consider this fact, as should you.

This is most likely (but here I speculate) considering the pressures of persecution and an ancient culture of valuing study and persuing smart partners rather than just beautiful and necessity in various times to either hide jewish ancestry.

The many times that ashkenazi and sephardic jewish people were expelled or ostracized in different european countries is significant enough that it wouldn't surprise me at all if this is part of the evolutionary pressure that caused only the smartest jews to survive and procreate and the fact that many guilds forbade jobs for jews, causing jews to flock to work that wasn't regulated by guilds: moneylending (later: banking), trade, jewelry.

Now you presume that I have some racial predujice or resentment, because you want to dismiss my points rather than consider them.

Why would I resent jews? Well you explain that clearly: because supposedly I am envious and jealous of their success.

  • We agree that they're more succesful then; already sufficient reason for some people to label you an antisemite. We agree that it is deserved (at least in part).
  • What we disagree on is that you probably dismiss that IQ has any value and/or genetic component, whereas you could read the twin studies today that show beyond doubt that IQ is strongly genetic.
  • What we disagree on is that you are someone who believes that education and not IQ is paramount for life outcomes (like wealth and prestige).
  • We agree that jews have been persecuted for over two centuries in various degrees
  • We disagree in that you think this it's a conflict with one side being victim and the other agressor, whereas I think it's a conflict with 2 sides to the story where both have some merit

Then I have one question for you: without you having to accept my perspective above, even for argument sake, why wouldn't at least a part of the the jewish group carry deep resentment for being persecuted?

The jewish community and in-group prefferences have already been mentioned in this thread by the supposed "non-anti-semites", so why wouldn't this express itself at all against those groups (europeans/white people/christians) considered responsible and a possible future danger of repeating said persecution, whether by expulsion or worse?
 
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lowkey said:
I don't think you're giving the topic serious thought.
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It's not a topic deserving of serious thought. The explanations for Jewish success are perfectly mundane and transparent, and are in no need of supplementation; least of all by the crackpot conspiracies and just-so stories of disreputable creeps and demagogues. All such canards serve to do is encourage mistrust and dislike towards the Jewish people, and that is precisely their intended purpose.

lowkey said:
You presume racism/antisemitism and close your ears and mind to talk about the topic at all.
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Having an open mind doesn't mean that I must accept things mindlessly, and my presumption of antisemitism is based upon a lot of evidence in my corner. People who cling to conspiracies involving Jewish power being the result of some sinister grand scheme are invariably antisemites.

lowkey said:
I doubt you're curious about it considering what you wrote, but I agree that what you wrote is part of the explanation for why jews disproportionally rise to prestige, power and influence.
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I don't think you "doubt" I'm not curious about it, I think you just want others to assume I'm not curious about it, as evidenced by your multiple attempts to frame the discussion with illusions that I am not "giving the topic serious thought", or that I have closed my "ears and mind" too much to be capable of offering any valuable input. It's really not constructive to poison the well against someone before agreeing that their argument has merit. It just looks petty.

lowkey said:
We'd probably disagree that the genetics plays a role as well. After all Askhenazi IQ is the highest average IQ of a genetic group we've found. Since you can look up the study yourself and it's rather robust, I will consider this fact, as should you.
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I disagree that genetics plays a measurable role, because how we can go about measuring such a thing is far from settled science. I also think that the IQ sperging that racists engage in is far more a result of their impetuous desire for racial disparities to be unchangeable than it is of any serious concern about scientific truth.
 
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I was not playing to the crowd, I was honestly and directly addressing you. I can write that with a clear conscience.
And you honestly admit that you're not giving the topic serious thought.

Hellbound Hellhound said:
It's not a topic deserving of serious thought.
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You think the topic doesn't deserve it.

What value would there be in either of us saying anything at that point?
 
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