Opinion Jesus’ Biological Father!

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By Simcha Jacobovici
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Pantera Inscription: Was he Jesus’ father?

Last week, I travelled to Bad Kreuznach, Germany, just outside of Frankfurt. In the 1st century, there seems to have been a “dialectical” relationship between Judea and this area, close to the Rhine, on the outermost border of the Roman Empire.

“Dialectical” basically means “interplay”, a kind of ping-pong between different forces or ideas.

So consider this: when Herod the Great died around 4 BCE/BC, there was an uprising in Judea led by three messianic figures. One of them was called “Simon” from the area of Peraea, modern day Jordan. Simon was crushed by a Roman force led by the general Varus. Varus loved to crucify Jews, but when he defeated Simon, he didn’t crucify him. Instead, he decapitated him and left his body to rot in a gully.

Prof. Israel Knohl wrote a book, and I made a film (Episode 2), arguing that a memorial stone – discovered in Jordan – records the idea of a three-day spiritual resurrection, linked to Simon of Peraea. Basically, when General Varus killed Simon, Simon’s followers came up with the idea that even though Simon died physically, he spiritually rose.

It seems that John the Baptist, Jesus’ cousin, was a follower of Simon’s. It was John who baptized Jesus, and the rest is history. The idea of the 3-day resurrection became the basis of Christianity. So, in a sense, Varus started it all with his cruelty in Judea.

What does Simon’s story have to do with Germany?

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Where the Nahe meets the Rhine, Pantera’s Cemetery was discovered

Well, from Judea, Varus moved to Germany. There, he was less successful. He tried to expand the Roman Empire across the Rhine, leading three Roman legions to one of the worst defeats in Roman history. On September 9th, 9 CE/AD, 13 years after his victory in Judea, Varus marched three legions east of the Rhine and into an ambush, lead by Arminius. The slaughter was total. Roman officers were sacrificed to Germanic gods, others were caged and burned alive. Varus was decapitated, kind of what he did to Simon of Peraea. Worse, the Germanic tribes captured the Romans’ standards i.e., their eagles. It was as if their very gods had been defeated.

The defeat at Teutoburg Forest was avenged by the Roman general Germanicus, adopted son of Emperor Tiberius, in 14 and 15 CE. Germanicus recaptured two of the lost eagles and even managed to capture the pregnant wife of Arminius, the tribal chief who defeated Varus.

So what does this have to do with Judea and how is it connected to Jesus?

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Tombstone of Pantera, Bad Kreuznach Museum

We now know that, in Germanicus’ army, there was an officer named Tiberius Julius Pantera, a bowman. He died at the age of 62 and he was buried with honors in Bingerbrück. He carried the standards of the legion. He was not originally from Germany, nor was he from Rome. In fact, he was born in Sidon, just north of the Galilee and it seems that he served in the area of Judea just after Herod died and before Jesus was born, during the reign of emperor Tiberius. Originally, he had been taken captive but he got his freedom after serving in the Roman army and he took on the name “Tiberius”, after the emperor who liberated him. It was during this emperor’s reign that Jesus was crucified.

All sources agree that Jesus’ father was not Joseph. All the Gospels say so. Of course, Christians believe that Jesus’ mother, Mary, was impregnated by the Holy Spirit. But the Rabbinic Talmud calls Jesus “Ben Pantera”, son of Pantera. And the 2nd century pagan philosopher, Celsus, states that Jesus’ biological father was a man named “Pantera”. He adds one more thing. He calls Pantera “a Roman soldier”.

So, if you leave theology out of it, here’s the dialectical relationship: Varus kills Simon in the area of Judea, giving rise to the three-day resurrection idea, and then gets himself butchered in Germany. Pantera fathers Jesus, and then goes to Germany where, under Germanicus, he avenges Varus who started the whole cycle. General Germanicus then goes to the Middle East to head a Roman army which would soon crucify Pantera’s son – Jesus.
 
How is the Didache heretical? I've read it. It seems to align well with what I've been taught in catechism.

hey I'm and old man and I just said I must have got confused.

I haven't read those texts in 15 years or more so I take back the heretical bit. I seem to remember those were the big 5 that were tossed out by Peter as bad think that's all. Blame it on my bad memory.

The last place I thought I have to defend my knowledge of esoteric biblical texts was on the Farms yet here I am getting raked over the coals.

Life is strange
 
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If your really into religious history like me you gota track down the texts that were removed by the council of Nicaea.

You should read;

the Apocalypse of Peter
the Shepherd of Hermas
the Didache
and probably
the Epistle of Barnabas and the Epistle of Clement

all of these give much insight into the early church and while technically heretical they were written by, at the time, very important figures of what was to become Christianity before Peter took a sledgehammer to it to ensure his power and supremacy.

I do often wonder at what the world would have become if James was the one to win the civil war instead.
What? The only stuff that’s been labeled heretical is anything else that calls itself a Gospel because they were absolutely lies. All the other stuff is considered just not good enough, and the Apocalypse of Peter and of John were both so simultaneously controversial and beloved that either of them could have been omitted or included (they went with John over Peter).
 
What? The only stuff that’s been labeled heretical is anything else that calls itself a Gospel because they were absolutely lies. All the other stuff is considered just not good enough, and the Apocalypse of Peter and of John were both so simultaneously controversial and beloved that either of them could have been omitted or included (they went with John over Peter).
yes I know yes

see above please
 
hey I'm and old man and I just said I must have got confused.

I haven't read those texts in 15 years or more so I take back the heretical bit. I seem to remember those were the big 5 that were tossed out by Peter as bad think that's all. Blame it on my bad memory.

Fuck sake the last place I thought I have to defend my knowledge of esoteric biblical texts was on the Farms yet here I am getting rake over the coals.

Life is strange
I didn't refresh it to see your answer to the other guy. Not trying to dogpile.
 
That's the funny bit

I just had a vague memory of these texts being interesting and I thought it might be possible that someone could come across my post and take and interest. Almost a throwaway line while I'm watching the RNC shitposting.

The last thing I expected was to have biblical scholars crawl out of the woodwork and ream my ass righteously for my errors.

That's why I'm laughing. If you were to walk up to some rando on the street and ask them about anything in this thread you'd get nothing but blank looks but here on the Farms, the most reviled place on Earth, we get not one, not two but three people calling me out.

That's why I said life is funny. It hits you where and when you never expect it.
 
That's the funny bit

I just had a vague memory of these texts being interesting and I thought it might be possible that someone could come across my post and take and interest. Almost a throwaway line while I'm watching the RNC shitposting.

The last thing I expected was to have biblical scholars crawl out of the woodwork and ream my ass righteously for my errors.

That's why I'm laughing. If you were to walk up to some rando on the street and ask them about anything in this thread you'd get nothing but blank looks but here on the Farms, the most reviled place on Earth, we get not one, not two but three people calling me out.

That's why I said life is funny. It hits you where and when you never expect it.
The internet is funny like that. If I had to guess, you were probably thinking the Gospel of Thomas, which is gnostic and heretical.
 
texts that were removed by the council of Nicaea.
That's a common misconception about the council of Nicaea, despite the common the Biblical Canon was not decided by any council. The council of Nicaea was about Arianism and the date of Holidays, we know this because we have surviving records from those present.

Heres a video from secular religious scholar, Religion for Breakfast, on the matter:
 
Pantera wasn't a thing that originated from the Talmud. It came from a second century pagan named Celsus, who at least according to Wikipedia wasn't Jewish (He didn't like Judaism either). Still nonsense, but it didn't originate from the Talmud.
 
It came from a second century pagan named Celsus, who at least according to Wikipedia wasn't Jewish
Celsus is interesting because he wrote one of the first major critiques of Christianity, The True World (~180 AD). Written only 150 years after Jesus it offers some of the first theological argument against Christianity. While it no longer exists it survives in quote form by The Christian Apologist, Origen, who responded to it around seventy years later in Contra Celsus (~250AD). Very interesting read if you're interested in early Christianity. While Celsus did make theological arguments attempting to debunk Christianity is primary concern was that Christians would destabilize the Roman Empire by refusing to participate in the worship of Roman Gods and should therefore be stopped before they could do long term damage to Rome.
 
Isn't the "Jesus's dad is a Roman named Pantera" thing from the Talmud?
According to the article the source is this guy.
And the 2nd century pagan philosopher, Celsus, states that Jesus’ biological father was a man named “Pantera”. He adds one more thing. He calls Pantera “a Roman soldier”.
One single person from the second century. And the link is to Amazon so it's not supporting evidence, though that the book is called "a discourse against Christians" gives some idea of said philosopher's stance.
 
Christians get so upset when you tell them this. It makes sense that "virgin" Mary fucked Tiberius Julius Abdes Pantera. Pantera was a Roman bvll from Germany, so no shit a young Jewish woman like Mary is gonna him. I bet that's why Mary married Joseph anyway since an unmarried pregnant woman would get stoned, and why Joseph never appears or is even mentioned in the Bible after Jesus's childhood. Hell, Jesus is even called "Mary's son" in Mark, so everyone knew he was a bastard.

The Pantera explanation makes sense when you think why Jesus ended up the way he did. He was a bastard whose mother was a harlot and he knew the old-ass carpenter wasn't really his father. That's why he had to pretend God was his father and told everyone his mother was a virgin. It was all Jesus coping over being bullied by other Jews for calling him a bastard son of a whore growing up.
According to the article the source is this guy.

One single person from the second century. And the link is to Amazon so it's not supporting evidence, though that the book is called "a discourse against Christians" gives some idea of said philosopher's stance.
What's more likely, someone as smart as Celsus was just making shit up, or Celsus is our only surviving record (beside the Talmud) of an actual fact about Jesus's life censored by the early church? While it's false Christians went around destroying science and causing a dark age, Christians definitely destroyed (or otherwise failed to preserve) a lot of doctrines that went against what the church said.
Not to mention it wasn't written till 400 years after Jesus, it's just Jewish cope all the way down.
The Talmud is just a compiled version of old Jewish religious laws and interpretations that goes back to the time of the Pharisees. That's why Jesus is in the Talmud, since the Pharisees really didn't like him and made sure to pass that information down.
 
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