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Convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein is dead, law enforcement sources said Saturday.

A gurney carrying a man who looked like Epstein was wheeled out of the Manhattan Correctional Center around 7:30 a.m. The ambulance went to New York Downtown Hospital.
 
Trump has never been linked to Epstein in any meaningful way. They were both present at some of the same wealthy New York parties. Epstein's business was to ingratiate himself with powerful people, lure them into doing something illegal or disgusting and then hold that over them for the rest of their lives. He was essentially a celebrity chaser. It's hardly surprising he managed to get some selfies with Trump. What he didn't manage to get was Trump to go to any of his parties or take advantage of any of his exploited girls. In fact, Trump actually blew the whistle on Epstein in a very Trump way, making some little remarks about how Epstein really enjoyed himself with teenage girls. He also, iirc, banned him from his clubs.

I voted for Trump back in 2016, I'm not doing it again this year. I bought into this line of reasoning as well as the "outsider" claim Trump used. Trump is bought out and I disapprove of his failed Presidency. Nationally he could have corralled social media companies, RICOed Soros, prosecuted everybody who attacked his supporters, audit the Fed, and jailed every sancutary city mayor. The sad thing is incumbency, Biden's dementia, and normies getting nervous with the feral left means we will see more of Trump.

On a local level, I live here in Chicago things are getting worse here. I also don't care what he says on Twitter (i.e. he spelled that word wrong) and won't tag him with the sexist, racist, stupid leftwing bullshit you'll hear from old people.

Trump was mentored by a freak named Roy Cohn (check out this creepy picture):


Trump could have brought up Justice Roberts' flight logs to Epstein island by blasting him on Twitter for siding with Democrats. Why didn't he? Spoiler alert: Nothing is going to come from this arrest and Maxwell will be suicided.

Tl;dr:
Trump isn't our savior and he's almost certainly bought out. His family will be safe in their gated communities and will be doing George Bush-esque interviews on whatever late night talk show is popular 5-10 years from now. People that are mad at Trump for stupid reasons are losers. Get your act together and run, America isn't what it used to be.
 
This is fake news, I never met this woman. Whatsisname, y'know, Barry, the guy before me who screwed everything up so I had to fix it, he did for sure. So did, uh, uh, yeah, so did slick Willie! But not me. I certainly wasn't pictured next to her multiple times while pulling that weird smile-slash-scowl thing in do for some reason.

I am shocked there are pictures of a wealthy New York City socialite hob knobbing with a wealthy New York City business mogul at social gatherings for wealthy New York City personages. What a coincidence.
 
I voted for Trump back in 2016, I'm not doing it again this year. I bought into this line of reasoning as well as the "outsider" claim Trump used. Trump is bought out and I disapprove of his failed Presidency.
sou you stay at home and let pedo biden rule till he dies?
 
sou you stay at home and let pedo biden rule till he dies?
"Until he croaks at worst a couple months into his term, and Kamala Harris is handed the nuclear football", you mean.

Now, in re: the Prince Andrew shit. Look, the boat sailed on considering the royal family anything other than insular whacko degenerates sailed when one of them created his own religion to play "fuck, marry, kill" with his cousins. One of them being down with teenage strange is probably the most normal they get, and if it's only Andrew that goes down for only that, it's cause for celebration, not a real problem.
 
sou you stay at home and let pedo biden rule till he dies?
Has Creepy Joe picked a Veep yet? That's probably who you're really voting for. That Veep could also be President for up to 12 years because a term as an elevated Veep doesn't count. Well, or so the show Veep told me but I did spend most of that whacking it to Julia-Louise Dreyfus.
 
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I'm skeptical they would kill her. Bear with me, she was living in New Hampshire for a year, completely out of the public eye.

If she was going to be killed, I think it would have been done already...

If Epstien was an intelligence asset, the FBI would(most likely)run a screen for the CIA. She, most likely, would not have been charged or left alone...

My guess is that Maxwell was further down the chain. Epstien worked with the intelligence community. Maxwell did not. Therefore, she wouldn't know or be able to expose the larger operation.

Her part was a socialite who was able to assist Epstien in procuring young women. Good chance that's where it ended...

In essence, she becomes the perfect 'fall guy'. She incriminated herself without being fully aware...

So, no real point in killing her. Anyone she exposes is probably, relatively, unimportant...
 
Has Creepy Joe picked a Veep yet? That's probably who you're really voting for. That Veep could also be President for up to 12 years because a term as an elevated Veep doesn't count. Well, or so the show Veep told me but I did spend most of that whacking it to Julia-Louise Dreyfus.

An inherited term only counts if you serve half or more of it. So if Joe gets Scalia'd in 2021, Harris or whoever the cunt is can only get one more term after. 2023, and she can serve the rest of his and get two of her own.
 
I'm skeptical they would kill her. Bear with me, she was living in New Hampshire for a year, completely out of the public eye.

If she was going to be killed, I think it would have been done already...

If Epstien was an intelligence asset, the FBI would(most likely)run a screen for the CIA. She, most likely, would not have been charged or left alone...

My guess is that Maxwell was further down the chain. Epstien worked with the intelligence community. Maxwell did not. Therefore, she wouldn't know or be able to expose the larger operation.

Her part was a socialite who was able to assist Epstien in procuring young women. Good chance that's where it ended...

In essence, she becomes the perfect 'fall guy'. She incriminated herself without being fully aware...

So, no real point in killing her. Anyone she exposes is probably, relatively, unimportant...

Disagree. She has familial ties to the Mossad. She flew Epstein's helo for him, which means she moved people ("guests", probably Clinton and Gates among others) around his properties. She almost certainly saw his daily agendas and schedules, which means she knows who was where, when.

She's a bigger fish than you think.

Also given that she was present and participated in the rapes of many of his victims means she was almost certainly in the room with other "guests" of Epstein.
 
EITHER WAY, she was dumb to stay in America. THAT WAS DUMB. And whoever told her to, wanted her for the fall guy. A "so called" smart broad in the know with Epstein, Clintons, Royal Family, and Mossad would have faked her death years ago. I wouldn't be surprised if Dershowitz did this so he can look like "he's the good guy criminal finder" because he looks culpable as a pedo, intelligence, conspirator. All this proves is that money and being Jew doesn't automatically mean "genius".

Could be they fake her death too and she goes underground or to Israel under a new identity. Or just dead. No one needs her and she's almost 60.

I'll just say it. America is falling out favor with international conspiracy crime, pedos, secret societies, and moronic law breaking. They are tired of it. NO one believes the disinformation desert vans anymore.
 
Get your act together and run, America isn't what it used to be.

To where? Nowhere is free from these people. May as well be somewhere there’s a semblance of rule of law. If America goes down, the world loses something important

EITHER WAY, she was dumb to stay in America. THAT WAS DUMB. And whoever told her to, wanted her for the fall guy. A "so called" smart broad in the know with Epstein, Clintons, Royal Family, and Mossad would have faked her death years ago. I wouldn't be surprised if Dershowitz did this so he can look like "he's the good guy criminal finder" because he looks culpable as a pedo, intelligence, conspirator. All this proves is that money and being Jew doesn't automatically mean "genius".

Could be they fake her death too and she goes underground or to Israel under a new identity. Or just dead. No one needs her and she's almost 60.
Have to agree with Pam here. No one needs her. She’s dead, before the trial maybe and afterwards certainly. Why was she still in America? I’m sure I remember reading she was in Paris a while back. She could have gone anywhere, outside of US jurisdiction but she stayed - why? If it was purely dirt on American figures and you knew you’d be locked up for life why would you stay? She’s cooperating in some way and she’ll get some kind of deal struck where she gets to quietly disappear afterwards. The fact she’s still in the states implies to me that she has nasty dirt on important people who aren’t American.
Imagine if it was emperor Xi.
 
I am shocked there are pictures of a wealthy New York City socialite hob knobbing with a wealthy New York City business mogul at social gatherings for wealthy New York City personages. What a coincidence.

I've said this before, but I think Epstein was one example of a certain species of symbiot that exists whatever the upper echelons of power and privilege are. He was rich, and he defined himself by his wealth because it gave him access to a class of people he wouldn't have had access to otherwise. If you would put up with him at social events, would go to his parties occasionally, and would talk to him/include him like he was somebody instead of telling him to fuck off, he might have decides to fund your political, scientific, or business endeavors. He was very much like a Hollywood movie producer in that sense... maybe a slimeball you don't really want to associate with, but it's a necessity to get big things done.

That would explain why so many big names were photographed with Epstein at least once. Everyone tries to gain political points by pointing out Trump or Clinton associating with him (and I think Clinton absolutely did have some troubling, frequent connections with him), but the truth is a lot of famous people posed with him for photos, and either we pay them no attention (nobody is attacking Stephen Pinker or Lawrence Lessig for being in a picture with the guy, for example), or we sperg out and start calling them all secret baby-raping Moloch-worshippers.

That many, many influential people were forced to endure Epstein's presence does not surprise me. That some of them found a little too much in common with him doesn't surprise me, either.
 
To where? Nowhere is free from these people. May as well be somewhere there’s a semblance of rule of law. If America goes down, the world loses something important


Have to agree with Pam here. No one needs her. She’s dead, before the trial maybe and afterwards certainly. Why was she still in America? I’m sure I remember reading she was in Paris a while back. She could have gone anywhere, outside of US jurisdiction but she stayed - why? If it was purely dirt on American figures and you knew you’d be locked up for life why would you stay? She’s cooperating in some way and she’ll get some kind of deal struck where she gets to quietly disappear afterwards. The fact she’s still in the states implies to me that she has nasty dirt on important people who aren’t American.
Imagine if it was emperor Xi.


If there's one lonely international jew mogul who she can pull a heartstring, maybe she's got a chance, but she trusted too many wrong people. And some of the most antisemitic people in the world are Jews.
 
In essence, she becomes the perfect 'fall guy'. She incriminated herself without being fully aware...
If this were the case, she'd have been thrown under the bus to protect Epstein. To get where you're at from where we are, you have to make a handful of assumptions that don't fit the situation as can be seen. You have to assume an old money socialite with family connections which already extended into the intelligence community, was a subordinate rather than a partner or even superior to someone with no prior connections or money who just appeared out of thin air with a mountain of cash and the world's most valuable rolodex which just so happens to match the one Maxwell already had. You have to assume despite her upbringing and familial connections, she wasn't smart enough to figure out what's what, keep receipts, and build an insurance policy of her own.
 
If this were the case, she'd have been thrown under the bus to protect Epstein. To get where you're at from where we are, you have to make a handful of assumptions that don't fit the situation as can be seen. You have to assume an old money socialite with family connections which already extended into the intelligence community, was a subordinate rather than a partner or even superior to someone with no prior connections or money who just appeared out of thin air with a mountain of cash and the world's most valuable rolodex which just so happens to match the one Maxwell already had. You have to assume despite her upbringing and familial connections, she wasn't smart enough to figure out what's what, keep receipts, and build an insurance policy of her own.


Well, she better cash that insurance policy in, cause, Hillary Clinton is only loyal to her goals of being president. That's who Maxwell is up against. Not Trump, not P Andrew, not anyone else. They'll come out and say they 'procured justice', and the groundwork is being laid. And you know I'm right.

Rule number 1 always, never trust anyone. NEVER. TRUST. ANYONE.
 
She knew what she was doing. She’s been an equal partner in it. She may even have driven a lot of it. She’s not dim, and she was incredibly well connected, both in the usual rich socialite way but also via her father, who was probably an agent for the Mossad. Epstein was not of that circle until he got money (somehow) and yes, people put up with him for his money. But maxwell was of that world in her own right. She will have been key to it all, I cannot believe her being an unwitting party. I could believe she was the brains and Epstein the money.
Epstein was not a genius - he may have stumbled on a good way to make money, gain influence and shag according to his proclivities, and then been hooked himself by forces beyond his ken. An uneasy truce of shielding him because he’s got blackmail material maybe, and is a useful asset.
Women can be monsters as much as men. They seem to do things like this a bit less often but when they do, they are capable of as much brutality as men are. Women aren’t angels.

I very much doubt any really big fish will be landed, they all have insurance and money to avoid ever facing their actions. But if she was trafficking underage girls she needs to be tried and jailed for a very long time. It would be great if they cracked it all wide open and took down every sleazy bastard but we all know that only happens in the movies. I agree with whoever said that the Qanon stuff is popular because it taps into that need for there to be a force for good in the government. We would all like to think there are a few jack Ryans in there, Rather than career politicians.
 
She knew what she was doing. She’s been an equal partner in it. She may even have driven a lot of it. She’s not dim, and she was incredibly well connected, both in the usual rich socialite way but also via her father, who was probably an agent for the Mossad. Epstein was not of that circle until he got money (somehow) and yes, people put up with him for his money. But maxwell was of that world in her own right. She will have been key to it all, I cannot believe her being an unwitting party. I could believe she was the brains and Epstein the money.
Epstein was not a genius - he may have stumbled on a good way to make money, gain influence and shag according to his proclivities, and then been hooked himself by forces beyond his ken. An uneasy truce of shielding him because he’s got blackmail material maybe, and is a useful asset.
Women can be monsters as much as men. They seem to do things like this a bit less often but when they do, they are capable of as much brutality as men are. Women aren’t angels.

I very much doubt any really big fish will be landed, they all have insurance and money to avoid ever facing their actions. But if she was trafficking underage girls she needs to be tried and jailed for a very long time. It would be great if they cracked it all wide open and took down every sleazy bastard but we all know that only happens in the movies. I agree with whoever said that the Qanon stuff is popular because it taps into that need for there to be a force for good in the government. We would all like to think there are a few jack Ryans in there, Rather than career politicians.

Everyone is an enemy, specially in American Government and politics, or at least in Hillary Clinton politics.

If this is true, this isn't good. People are sounding bloodthirsty.



EXCLUSIVE — A woman who claims Ghislaine Maxwell raped her dozens of times – beginning when she was just 14 years old – says she is willing to take the stand and testify against Jeffrey Epstein’s ex-girlfriend.

In an exclusive interview with Fox News, Jane Doe, who wishes to protect her identity, said Maxwell sexually abused her beginning in 1991 in Florida. She said the abuse continued until she was 16.

Maxwell was arrested Thursday on federal charges for facilitating and participating in sexual abuse acts with minors,

“She did rape me. I would say it’s more than 20 or 30 times,” she said. “She is just as evil as Jeffrey Epstein … She is a rapist.”

Jane Doe claims years of sexual abuse came to an end only after she became pregnant with Jeffrey Epstein’s baby. At age 16, she had an abortion.

GHISLAINE MAXWELL ASKED BROKER ABOUT FLIGHT PATTERNS OVER NEW HAMPSHIRE PROPERTY: REPORT

“I had never been with anyone except for him [Epstein],” said Doe, who is part of a lawsuit filed against Epstein’s estate over a year ago. “The fact that I had to kill my child really affected me and my family.”

Nancy Grace breaks down the charges against Epstein confidant Ghislaine MaxwellVideo
Suspecting that she had told her grandparents about the abortion, and fearful she would talk to authorities, Doe says, Maxwell, Epstein and others gang-raped her one last time as punishment. “Ghislaine was a part of it,” Doe said. “I was drugged.”

After the rape, Doe said, a driver with a gun drove her to her home. “I was dumped off in my grandparents yard naked, and was told that I wouldn’t come back alive the next time,” Doe said.

Fearful for her life, Doe said, her grandfather put her into hiding. She dropped out of high school. “I basically kind of vanished,” she said. “Ms. Maxwell was a participant, and she made it very clear that I was to keep my mouth shut or harm would come to my family and myself and harm did come to me.”

AUTHOR SAYS JEFFREY EPSTEIN'S FRIENDS 'ARE PROBABLY PRETTY TERRIFIED' AFTER GHISLAINE MAXWELL ARREST

Raised by her grandparents in Florida, Doe said she was recruited in 1991 by a friend and introduced to Maxwell and Epstein, who promised to help her with her modeling career. Maxwell would pick her up from school and her grandparents' house, she said. She was given a pager and Maxwell would take her shopping and buy her Louis Vuitton purses, Doe added. But those days would eventually turn to sexual abuse.

A virgin and a child at the time, Doe explained, Maxwell would use toys and penetrate her with her fingers.

“When this started, she told me that Epstein was getting upset because I kept bleeding, and that she was helping so that it wouldn’t hurt so much because it should be satisfying.”

EPSTEIN ACCUSER'S ATTORNEY CHEERS ARREST OF 'MONSTER' MAXWELL, CALLS HER 'ARCHITECT' OF CHILD SEX RING

The property where Ghislaine Maxwell, former associate of late disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein, was arrested by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) is seen in an aerial photograph in Bradford, New Hampshire, U.S. July 2, 2020.
The property where Ghislaine Maxwell, former associate of late disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein, was arrested by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) is seen in an aerial photograph in Bradford, New Hampshire, U.S. July 2, 2020. (Reuters/Drone Base)

She claimed Maxwell was not always in the room when she was abused by Epstein, but that when she was it was to teach her how to satisfy the convicted pedophile.

“It was her more or less, coaching,” Doe said. “Do it this way and do it that way, because once you become a model, this is what they’re going to expect from you.”

When reached for comment by Fox News Channel about these specific allegations, Ghislaine Maxwell’s attorney Larry Vogelman said “no comment.”

On Thursday, the FBI raided Maxwell’s million-dollar home in Bradford, N.H. She faces six federal charges stemming from accusations from three women who claim Maxwell not only recruited and groomed them for Epstein, but accuse her of sexually abusing minors too.

“She is an evil person. I don’t believe that Jeffrey Epstein could have obtained the magnitude of victims that he had had it not been for her,” Doe said. "She destroyed what was supposed to be the best years of my life, being a teenager and being a cheerleader.”

Jane Doe said she is “absolutely” willing to help New York federal prosecutors by serving as a witness against Maxwell.

“I would definitely take the stand and testify because I believe she deserves to be where she is today and she deserves to stay there for the rest of her life,” Doe said. “I hope by me coming forward, it encourages other victims.”

Attorney Jordan Merson, who represents Jane Doe and eight other Epstein accusers, filed a lawsuit against Epstein’s estate on their behalf over a year.

“I’ve known my client for about a year, and her story has never changed,” Merson said. “People felt cheated when Mr. Epstein committed suicide in prison and they didn’t get a chance to sit in a courtroom and see the judicial system play out and they’re hoping that this is a different result here.”

Doe said she’s hopeful and prayerful that Maxwell makes it to her trial without incident, unlike Epstein, who was found dead in his jail cell from a suicide. She agrees with prosecutors who characterize Maxwell as an extreme flight risk and are calling for bail to be revoked.

“She obviously has serious connections, multiple passports,” Doe said. “I just feel like if for any reason she could have her way out of jail she would be gone and nobody would find her.”
 
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The thing that doesn't add up is 'why'.

Ghislaine and Jeffrey were both worth billions in their own right. Why were they coaxing aspiring teenage models into sexual relations with wealthy men? Were they doing this on behalf of intelligence agencies? Were they doing this for their own personal betterment (blackmail material)? How come they couldn't find intermediaries?

BTW I do love how everybody in my family has their own theory on who killed Epstein. One thinks the CIA, one thinks MI5, one thinks Clintons, one originally thought Trump (ughhhhh) but now leans on it being the Royal Family. Personally? It wouldn't even shock me at this stage if it was like Murder on the Orient Express where EVERYONE did it.

She's been hanging around Martha's Vinyard, right? If I were her then about a month after Epstein got bumped I'd announce I would be co-operating fully with the investigation. At least the country she did it in would give some insight into who's doing the killing
I'm not even convinced Epstein is dead. Those connections and a fuck ton of money could make it easy to find refuge on another nice private island somewhere. They could have cut the cameras to kill him or they could have cut the cameras to fake his death and smuggle him out. Really could go either way.

The Maxwell stuff suggests to me that there is a faction war going on behind the scenes. The conspiracy theories of illuminati pulling the strings behind the scenes has a small amount of truth to it. There are powerful people who control leaders and news media and the like behind the scenes, but I don't think they are a unified group. There are various factions that sometimes ally with one another in pursuit of a shared goal but those alliances can shift. I suspect that Maxwell is being used to weaken or threaten one or more of those groups.

I don't think the peons will ever know exactly who is involved in the power struggle or what particularly they are fighting over. If I had to wager a guess, I'd say that it would be a fight between those who back the US and those who back China. And it is worth noting that China and Israel have been cozying up to one another lately. So much so that Trump has put pressure on them to stop some of it (like letting Chinese companies get contracts for infrastructure in Israel which worries some American officials as it increases the risks that China could get access to communication between the US/Israel).

I don't think much will come out of this Maxwell case -- but I suspect that there are lots of deals being brokered behind the scenes in order to make a lot of it go away.
 
I'm not even convinced Epstein is dead. Those connections and a fuck ton of money could make it easy to find refuge on another nice private island somewhere. They could have cut the cameras to kill him or they could have cut the cameras to fake his death and smuggle him out. Really could go either way.

The Maxwell stuff suggests to me that there is a faction war going on behind the scenes. The conspiracy theories of illuminati pulling the strings behind the scenes has a small amount of truth to it. There are powerful people who control leaders and news media and the like behind the scenes, but I don't think they are a unified group. There are various factions that sometimes ally with one another in pursuit of a shared goal but those alliances can shift. I suspect that Maxwell is being used to weaken or threaten one or more of those groups.

I don't think the peons will ever know exactly who is involved in the power struggle or what particularly they are fighting over. If I had to wager a guess, I'd say that it would be a fight between those who back the US and those who back China. And it is worth noting that China and Israel have been cozying up to one another lately. So much so that Trump has put pressure on them to stop some of it (like letting Chinese companies get contracts for infrastructure in Israel which worries some American officials as it increases the risks that China could get access to communication between the US/Israel).

I don't think much will come out of this Maxwell case -- but I suspect that there are lots of deals being brokered behind the scenes in order to make a lot of it go away.

HILLARY CLINTON. Come on. Let's be honest with ourselves. She's the only major player lusting for the seat of the free world. She's empowered China to combat Trump, to leverage power and get herself president.
 
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