Disaster Jeffery Epstein has comitted suicide - Matt Groening got him

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Convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein is dead, law enforcement sources said Saturday.

A gurney carrying a man who looked like Epstein was wheeled out of the Manhattan Correctional Center around 7:30 a.m. The ambulance went to New York Downtown Hospital.
 
I didn't think about it in that context and read it like he was being told to shut up in general and took exception to it. Your point makes more sense though

Well, that might be what is happening. But it would still look pretty bad if anything happened to that guy or if they retaliated against him, or already have.
 
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49452786
Jeffrey Epstein case: France launches rape inquiry

French prosecutors have opened an inquiry into rape allegations against the late US financier Jeffrey Epstein.

The 66-year-old died in a New York prison cell on 10 August as he awaited trial over allegations that he had run a network using underage girls for sex.

He had an apartment in Paris, and French gender equality minister Marlène Schiappa had called for an inquiry into any abuses committed on French soil.

On Friday Paris prosecutors launched a probe for "rape" and "sexual assault".

Epstein was a fund manager with a vast fortune and properties around the world.

He was also well-connected and had socialised with - among others - Britain's Prince Andrew and US Presidents Donald Trump and Bill Clinton.

He also dated glamorous women like Miss Sweden winner Eva Andersson Dubin and Ghislaine Maxwell, daughter of publisher Robert Maxwell.

What was he accused of in the US?
Epstein was charged in New York in July with sex trafficking and conspiracy and was due to face trial next year.

He was already a convicted sex offender, having pleaded guilty to prostitution charges involving a minor in Florida in 2008.

He was sentenced to a 13-month work release programme, in a deal which many commentators said was extremely lenient.

The second criminal case against him was launched after an FBI search of his Manhattan home resulted in the seizure of what appeared to be photos of naked girls.

According to the charges, the girls, some as young as 14, were given hundreds of dollars for sexual acts.

What are the links with France?
Epstein spent plenty of time in Paris and owned a luxury apartment near the Arc de Triomphe.

Investigations "will focus on potential crimes committed against French victims... and on suspects who are French citizens", Paris Prosecutor Remy Heitz said in a statement.

A French advocacy group for child sex abuse victims, Innocence En Danger (Innocence at Risk), said this week it had received 10 witness statements involving Epstein regarding alleged sex crimes committed against minors on French soil.

Epstein was also friends with French modelling tycoon Jean-Luc Brunel, who was accused in US court documents of procuring young girls for Epstein, along with allegations of rape.

Mr Brunel has denied the accusations.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/french-group-says-it-has-10-witnesses-of-epstein-linked-abuse/
French group says it has 10 witnesses of Epstein-linked abuse
Financier and convicted pedophile was known to entertain guests at a sumptuous apartment near the Champs-Elysees

PARIS — A French charity said Thursday it has received 10 witness statements after launching an appeal for testimony about sex crimes committed against minors in France linked to the late convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein.

Innocence en Danger (Innocence in Danger), which defends the rights of minors against violence and sexual abuse, said it would pass on the witness statements to the judicial authorities.
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But there have also been calls for a French inquiry into any violence committed in France since Epstein was known to entertain guests at a sumptuous apartment on Avenue Foch near the Champs-Elysees.
“We received 10 witness statements,” the head of Innocence en Danger, Homayra Sellier, told AFP, adding that they came from people saying they were either victims of abuse or witnessed it.

Those who said they were victims were not all French but the alleged violations “took place on French territory and probably at the hands of French people,” she said.

She said the organization’s lawyers would draw up legal complaints based on these statements and pass them on to both Paris prosecutors and the American legal authorities.

Innocence en Danger had on August 12 published an open letter urging Paris’s top prosecutor Remy Heitz to open a preliminary probe into the Epstein case, saying that many of Epstein’s victims had French nationality.

Paris prosecutors responded that a preliminary analysis was under way to determine whether a French investigation should be opened.

One of Epstein’s close friends and allies was the formerly powerful French modeling tycoon Jean-Luc Brunel, who was accused in court documents of procuring young girls for Epstein, as well as of rape.

He has denied the accusations in the past.

The model scout, an influential figure in the industry, has always been a low-profile figure and like some other former Epstein allies has not spoken publicly since the financier was charged in early July.

Can anyone help me find some more details on Epstein's apartment in France - namely who sold it to him?
 
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Well, that might be what is happening. But it would still look pretty bad if anything happened to that guy or if they retaliated against him, or already have.

I don't think who ever aided and abetted Epstein's suicide gives a fuck what anything looks like. I think they reside safe in the knowledge that it doesn't matter what the fuck they do, they are untouchable.
 
I don't think who ever aided and abetted Epstein's suicide gives a fuck what anything looks like. I think they reside safe in the knowledge that it doesn't matter what the fuck they do, they are untouchable.

Pretty much this. There's no more investigative reporters who will dig until they find something on such a thing that stinks this badly. So there's no real worry of getting revealed. Plus every blue checkmark is saying he committed suicide all by his lonesome, nothing to see here.
 
I don’t know if this has been posted before, but here’s an interview from Mother Jones with a rich scientist/art guy who was friends with Epstein for decades, and offers up some interesting perspectives.

What makes it especially lulzy is the fact that the guy has nothing but disdain for Mother Jones.

“No. Boy am I glad that nobody I know reads Mother Jones. I mean, I stopped reading that about 40 years ago.”

And the fact that he treats journalists with all the respect they deserve:

“Before you write, why don’t you equip yourself with what you’re supposed to know, but don’t, of the background of sexual perversion. Which was studied thoroughly at the time of Freud by Robert Krafft-Ebing, which most educated people know about. You don’t. A shame.”

Everybody hates journalists (Especially from Mother Jones!) and for good reason. However, it’s rare to see the person they’re interviewing outright say: “You’re not qualified to write about this, and you’re probably also a terrible person!”

“You’ve heard the name—he’s one of the greatest scientists of the age, and you heard his name, oh bravo, you’re very qualified. You’re so full of shit, it’s terrible. You should not be writing about this. You’re not qualified.

Oh boy. Why did I pick up the phone? Why wasn’t I out to dinner?”



Here’s the whole thing: http://archive.li/uYQ4D
 
In 2008 Epstein pleaded guilty, yet this time he pleaded 'not guilty'. Would a 'not guilty' trial have had more of a capacity to expose the rest? Would his plea be a sign to 'manage the situation'?

What is curious to me is that the suicide has so many holes in it. It would be far more believable if it was post trial where he was in a prison (not on suicide watch/important prisoner watch) more possibilities and more likely and not newsworthy. Guards asleep? But would the 'not guilty' plea make this option a no go?

Also bizarre is that it feels like a honey pot to tin-hat reptilian believers, get those people doubting you and then everyone will doubt them. not you.

Edit: grammar
 
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In 2008 Epstein pleaded guilty, yet this time he pleaded 'not guilty'. Would a 'not guilty' trial have had more of a capacity to expose the rest? Would his plea be a sign to 'manage the situation'?

What is curious to me is that the suicide has so many holes in it. It would be far more believable if it was post trial where he was in a prison (not on suicide watch/important prisoner watch) more possibilities and more likely and not newsworthy. Guards asleep? But would the 'not guilty' plea make this option a no go?

Also bizarre is that it feels like a honey pot to tin-hat reptilian believers, get those people doubting you and then everyone will doubt them. not you.

Edit: grammar
The way criminal trials work is that almost all defendants plead "not guilty" at their arraignment/first court appearance. Any "guilty" plea you'll see won't be til the end of the criminal proceedings, when the defendant will give it as part of whatever plea deal their lawyers arranged for them with the prosecution and judge. That's how Epstein's 2008 case played out.
 
Oh the grand old duke of York, he had ten thousand (wo)men...



Very interesting that the mail has its claws out for airmiles Andy. It’s long been rumoured he was into some debauched stuff but the mail has had to be very careful about how they approach this and have minced their words in the past.

Remember the mail has connections, and very good lawyers. When they start going after someone, it’s an indicator that they have information on them that has passed those lawyers and an indication of the climate surrounding that person (ie how protected they are.)

So the very existence of this article is as interesting as the content of it.
 
I don’t know if this has been posted before, but here’s an interview from Mother Jones with a rich scientist/art guy who was friends with Epstein for decades, and offers up some interesting perspectives.

What makes it especially lulzy is the fact that the guy has nothing but disdain for Mother Jones.

“No. Boy am I glad that nobody I know reads Mother Jones. I mean, I stopped reading that about 40 years ago.”

And the fact that he treats journalists with all the respect they deserve:

“Before you write, why don’t you equip yourself with what you’re supposed to know, but don’t, of the background of sexual perversion. Which was studied thoroughly at the time of Freud by Robert Krafft-Ebing, which most educated people know about. You don’t. A shame.”

Everybody hates journalists (Especially from Mother Jones!) and for good reason. However, it’s rare to see the person they’re interviewing outright say: “You’re not qualified to write about this, and you’re probably also a terrible person!”

“You’ve heard the name—he’s one of the greatest scientists of the age, and you heard his name, oh bravo, you’re very qualified. You’re so full of shit, it’s terrible. You should not be writing about this. You’re not qualified.

Oh boy. Why did I pick up the phone? Why wasn’t I out to dinner?”



Here’s the whole thing: http://archive.li/uYQ4D
Thanks for sharing. That was a great read and more illuminating than anything else I've read about the mysterious Epstein.

Tldr- he is a male nymphomaniac or 'satyriases' who used his wealth to sleep with 3 seemingly complacent teenage girls a day. Would have huge parties with the most respected scientists in the field and would ask stupid questions like "What is gravity?" to get them talking and then two minutes later would interrupt and say "what does this have to do with pussy!?" Extremely short attention span and knew almost nothing but had some math skills and knew how to make money.

Now that I know his personality it seems much more likely he actually did kill himself imo. Going from having every luxury in the world and excess to sensory deprivation and solitary confinement had to have a huge effect on his psyche. The average person will start going crazy in a little time in solitary confinement, let alone someone with a short attention span and sex addiction like Epstein.
 
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I don’t know if this has been posted before, but here’s an interview from Mother Jones with a rich scientist/art guy who was friends with Epstein for decades, and offers up some interesting perspectives.

What makes it especially lulzy is the fact that the guy has nothing but disdain for Mother Jones.

“No. Boy am I glad that nobody I know reads Mother Jones. I mean, I stopped reading that about 40 years ago.”

And the fact that he treats journalists with all the respect they deserve:

“Before you write, why don’t you equip yourself with what you’re supposed to know, but don’t, of the background of sexual perversion. Which was studied thoroughly at the time of Freud by Robert Krafft-Ebing, which most educated people know about. You don’t. A shame.”

Everybody hates journalists (Especially from Mother Jones!) and for good reason. However, it’s rare to see the person they’re interviewing outright say: “You’re not qualified to write about this, and you’re probably also a terrible person!”

“You’ve heard the name—he’s one of the greatest scientists of the age, and you heard his name, oh bravo, you’re very qualified. You’re so full of shit, it’s terrible. You should not be writing about this. You’re not qualified.

Oh boy. Why did I pick up the phone? Why wasn’t I out to dinner?”



Here’s the whole thing: http://archive.li/uYQ4D

What's interesting is this smug prick Pivar berates the journalist for not knowing about satyriasis but is apparently not well-informed enough to know the studies of human sexuality have advanced significantly since Kraff-Ebing (who did most of his work in the 1880s, Pivar calls him a "contemporary" of Freud, but really he was the previous generation), that satyriasis isn't recognized in the DSM (it's been proposed under the name "hypersexual disorder" but declined to be included), and it's not known what causes it, but Pivar asserts that he was "born" with it. Hypersexual behaviors generally are seen as being derived from other neurological disorders rather than being a disorder in that of itself.

What this amounts to is Pivar throwing up his hands and saying "Old Jeffy couldn't control it because he had this condition," apparently with no actual diagnosis or treatment, just Pivar's own speculation about Jeffery's behavior. I don't feel any sympathy for someone like Jeffy who had all the resources in the world to get help if he really wanted it, and I CERTAINLY don't feel any sympathy for Pivar or any of Jeffy's other enablers who just let him do whatever the fuck he wanted because he was the crazy man with money.

What a moral coward.

While I'm all for exploring the causes and questioning whether or not satyriasis is a real condition outside of other disorders and attempting to understand those affected by it, Pivar's rant really comes across as a very disingenuous bout of apologia for Epstein's behavior, made particularly obnoxious because he's trying to sound like an authority on a field he's obviously not familiar with.
 
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Welp, there goes our primary source for Epstein updates
Yahoo News:
NYT Reporter Solicited Charitable Donation from Epstein, Refused to Report On Him
A New York Times reporter who was assigned to cover the now-deceased financier Jeffrey Epstein refused to do so due to his close personal relationship with the alleged pedophile, NPR reported Friday.

In August of last year, veteran New York Times financial correspondent Landon Thomas Jr. was asked to investigate a tip that Epstein was advising Tesla founder Elon Musk. Thomas refused, telling his editors that he would not jeopardize Epstein as a source by reporting on him directly.

Thomas, who had relied on Epstein as a source since the early 2000s, also admitted they had become such close friends that Epstein donated $30,000 to a Harlem cultural center at his request.

“Soliciting a donation to a personal charity is a clear violation of the policy that governs Times journalists’ relationships with their sources,” Times chief spokesperson Eileen Murphy told NPR. “As soon as editors became aware of it, they took action.”

Thomas left the Times in January but it remains unclear whether the departure was related to his relationship with Epstein.

The NPR article also detailed the tactics that Epstein and his legal team, led by Alan Dershowitz, used to kill negative stories in the press.

A former editor at Vanity Fair said that the magazine’s former editor-in-chief, Graydon Carter, believed that Epstein was responsible for a series of threats made against him in 2003 after he assigned a reporter to explore how Epstein earned his fortune. A severed cat head was delivered to Carter’s home in Connecticut and a bullet was mailed to his Manhattan apartment.

Epstein died of an apparent suicide in federal custody in New York on August 10. He was awaiting trial on sex-trafficking charges.

Like Thomas, ABC’s George Stephanopoulos, Katie Couric, and Woody Allen also kept in touch with Epstein after his 2008 prosecution for soliciting prostitutes, many of whom were teenage girls he lured to his home with the promise of cash for massages. All three attended a dinner at Epstein’s house in December 2010.
Wonder if there was anything to that tip our boy got. Jeff was allegedly introduced to Mark "Shut it down" Zuckerberg through Elon Musk. Musk's people deny this.

Business Insider:
Mark Zuckerberg once met Jeffrey Epstein at a dinner hosted by LinkedIn cofounder Reid Hoffman that Elon Musk also attended
Before his recent arrest, the convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein was welcomed in high society — and that includes Silicon Valley.

According to a Vanity Fair report published on Wednesday, the disgraced financier once met Mark Zuckerberg at a dinner organized by Reid Hoffman, the cofounder of LinkedIn, "a few years ago" — well after he went to jail in 2008 on charges including procuring a minor for prostitution.

Ben LaBolt, a spokesperson for Zuckerberg, confirmed that the meeting took place and said it was the only time the Facebook CEO and Epstein met. In a short statement, he told Business Insider: "Mark met Epstein in passing one time at a dinner honoring scientists that was not organized by Epstein. Mark did not communicate with Epstein again following the dinner."


Vanity Fair reported that Elon Musk, founder of Tesla and SpaceX, made the introduction, but a spokesperson for Musk denied this.

"Elon never introduced Jeffrey Epstein to Mark Zuckerberg and does not know either person well enough to do so," Tesla's global director of communications Keely Sulprizio said in an emailed statement to Business Insider. "They simply happened to be guests at a neuroscience dinner organized by Reid Hoffman."

Gabriel Sherman, the author of the Vanity Fair article, did not immediately respond to an email asking whether he stood behind the account he laid out in his story.

Musk also told Vanity Fair in an email that he doesn't recall introducing Epstein to anyone, and that he doesn't know Epstein well enough to have done so. "Esptein is obviously a creep and Zuckerberg is not a friend of mine," he said.

Musk also told Vanity Fair in an email that he doesn't recall introducing Epstein to anyone, and that he doesn't know Epstein well enough to have done so. "Esptein is obviously a creep and Zuckerberg is not a friend of mine," he said.
Mighty anti-Semitic of you, Elon.
What a moral coward.
What does morality have to do with it? Doesn't the article say that he was Epstein's friend?
 
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What does morality have to do with it? Doesn't the article say that he was Epstein's friend?

Perhaps this is just my personal own take on the issue, but if I sincerely believed my "best pal for decades" was actually "profoundly sick", I would attempt to get him some help rather than "end my relationship" as soon as facts emerge that would make my association with my "best pal" unfavorable for me.
 
Perhaps this is just my personal own take on the issue, but if I sincerely believed my "best pal for decades" was actually "profoundly sick", I would attempt to get him some help rather than "end my relationship" as soon as facts emerge that would make my association with my "best pal" unfavorable for me.

I was about to post that while Mother Jones can go neck itself this son of a bitch sounded like your typical blow hard, ivory tower academic.

Hope he gets what’s coming to him as well either in this life or the next.
 
Perhaps this is just my personal own take on the issue, but if I sincerely believed my "best pal for decades" was actually "profoundly sick", I would attempt to get him some help rather than "end my relationship" as soon as facts emerge that would make my association with my "best pal" unfavorable for me.
Call me a cynic but I think that the old boy was either in on it or had no issue with it.
 
Epstein: The Maxwell Connection (by George Galloway)
George Galloway was a member of the British Parliament for nearly 30 years. He presents TV and radio shows (including on RT). He is a film-maker, writer and a renowned orator.

As Jeffrey Epstein’s accomplice Ghislaine Maxwell appears to have fallen off the face of the Earth, it’s little remembered in the media how I fought a long war against her father Robert and the part I played in his downfall.

It would be scarcely worth recalling at this distance if it did not shed light, or rather a cloud of suspicion, over Maxwell’s favourite child Ghislaine, now at the centre of a dark and fascinating story as bizarre as any which enveloped her late father.

I first met Robert Maxwell when he was an enormously powerful and fiercely intimidating media mogul in the early 1980s. It was in the green room of the BBC’s then flagship program Question Time, hosted by Sir Robin Day – then the doyen of BBC grandees.

Ah, Mr Galway (sic),” boomed Mr Maxwell, “the PLO man.” At which point he punched me so hard in the solar plexus I doubled over, tears in my eyes. As was the wont of the British establishment at the time, my fellow participants and Sir Robin himself averted their eyes and pretended not to see.

At the time and for nearly a decade, I was closely associated with the then-British satirical magazine Private Eye, writing regularly and providing stories and leads for others, regularly attending the legendary Private Eye lunches at the Soho waterie The Coach and Horses, presided over by the founder and editor of the magazine, Richard Ingrams.

About a year after Maxwell striking his first blow, I submitted a story to Private Eye which, embellished by others, was published and upon which he sued and fought an epic court battle with us. He won.

Although the editor Richard Ingrams spent a night in the cells for refusing to name me as the source, it was soon obvious to Maxwell that it was me and we began a war of attrition which lasted until his death.

In October of 1991, the Pulitzer Prize-winning author and celebrity journalist Seymour Hersh caused to be delivered to my home late one Saturday night a file of papers, a synopsis of a book he had written in which he made serious allegations against Maxwell. So fearsome was Maxwell’s power at the time, he had obtained pre-publication injunctions against anyone publishing any word of it, against anyone printing it, against anyone distributing it, against anyone selling it. In Britain, the Hersh book did not exist.

But I – as a member of the British Parliament – enjoyed the ancient right of legal privilege on anything I said in the Parliament or published on the Order Paper. Moreover, so could anyone else reporting fairly anything I said or wrote there. And so I did.

Inter-alia I accused Maxwell of being a thief, of stealing his own employee’s pension funds, of being an agent of the Israeli intelligence service Mossad, and of betraying the whereabouts in London of the brave Israeli Jewish whistleblower Mordechai Vanunu, causing him to be kidnapped, drugged, and delivered, his jaws wired like Hannibal Lector to ensure his silence, to Israel where he eventually served decades in solitary confinement and even now is not free to talk or travel.

My allegations exploded like a nuclear bomb in the life of Robert Maxwell.

He ordered his journalistic minions (whose pensions he had stolen) to “Piss all over Galloway” and micturate they promptly did.
On the front page of all SIX of his national newspapers, they called me “a jackal” of “scavenging in the dung-heap” a “friend of Arab terrorists” (“Ah, Mr Galway (sic) the PLO man”) and above all of having lied and lied about their proprietor.

Within weeks, the missing pensions were exposed, Maxwell was dead, having fallen, jumped, or been pushed off the back of his yacht – the Lady Ghislaine – off the Canary islands, and Maxwell was given a full Israeli-state funeral on the Mount of Olives presided over by the Israeli president, prime minister and no less than seven former and serving heads of the Mossad. In the eulogy, tribute was paid to the “extraordinary service” Mr Maxwell had given to Israel. The full story of which exact “services” he had provided were buried with him in Jerusalem.

The fateful yacht was called the Lady Ghislaine because his daughter was his favourite child (other daughters were available) and she was his favourite child for a reason. Of all her siblings, Ghislaine Maxwell was the one who was most like him.

Ghislaine Maxwell’s father’s body was lost to the deep and murky waters of international intrigue. Where she will turn up is as yet unknown. What “extraordinary service” she performed and for whom equally remains to be seen.
 
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Thanks for sharing. That was a great read and more illuminating than anything else I've read about the mysterious Epstein.

Tldr- he has male nymphomaniac or 'satyriases' who used his wealth to sleep with 3 seemingly complacent teenage girls a day. Would have huge parties with the most respected scientists in the field and would ask stupid questions like "What is gravity?" to get them talking and then two minutes later would interrupt and say "what does this have to do with pussy!?" Extremely short attention span and knew almost nothing but had some math skills and knew how to make money.

Now that I know his personality it seems much more likely he actually did kill himself imo. Going from having every luxury in the world and excess to sensory deprivation and solitary confinement had to have a huge effect on his psyche. The average person will start going crazy in a little time in solitary confinement, let alone someone with a short attention span and sex addiction like Epstein.
Doubt it. My guess is he'd be even more hyper and manic but not necessarily want to kill himself unless he was somehow goaded into it.
What's interesting is this smug prick Pivar berates the journalist for not knowing about satyriasis but is apparently not well-informed enough to know the studies of human sexuality have advanced significantly since Kraff-Ebing (who did most of his work in the 1880s, Pivar calls him a "contemporary" of Freud, but really he was the previous generation), that satyriasis isn't recognized in the DSM (it's been proposed under the name "hypersexual disorder" but declined to be included), and it's not known what causes it, but Pivar asserts that he was "born" with it. Hypersexual behaviors generally are seen as being derived from other neurological disorders rather than being a disorder in that of itself.

What this amounts to is Pivar throwing up his hands and saying "Old Jeffy couldn't control it because he had this condition," apparently with no actual diagnosis or treatment, just Pivar's own speculation about Jeffery's behavior. I don't feel any sympathy for someone like Jeffy who had all the resources in the world to get help if he really wanted it, and I CERTAINLY don't feel any sympathy for Pivar or any of Jeffy's other enablers who just let him do whatever the fuck he wanted because he was the crazy man with money.

What a moral coward.

While I'm all for exploring the causes and questioning whether or not satyriasis is a real condition outside of other disorders and attempting to understand those affected by it, Pivar's rant really comes across as a very disingenuous bout of apologia for Epstein's behavior, made particularly obnoxious because he's trying to sound like an authority on a field he's obviously not familiar with.
It honestly makes the journalists failure to extract info from him even more damning. These people are prone to spilling their guts if you apply the right pressure to them. The trick is to not ask the exact same question and if you do then add a justification for it so that they think you're merely ignorant instead of stupid.
T. Work with assholes all day.
 
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