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Jul 18, 2024 ∙ Paid


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Chaya Raichik (Libs of TikTok) and other online conservatives are on the warpath against people who have advocated for the murder of President Trump on social media.

Jack Black cancelled his tour (and maybe his band). Raichik has collected the scalps of politicians, bureaucrats, school teachers, counselors, prosecutors, police officers — all of whom are obviously in positions of public trust and are not free to advocate murder in public without consequences.

But she has also gone after a handful of honest, working-class small-folk who were simply exercising their constitutional right to normie bloodlust.

Normie bloodlust is the tendency of people with conventional political opinions to publicly fantasize about ludicrous and deranged violence in furtherance of those opinions. They like to post about “fucking around and finding out”.

In 2021, they crowed for a teenager to be raped in prison. Also Donald Trump, Steve Bannon, Andrew Tate — really, any time a Certified Bad Person goes to jail, they like to loudly savor the idea that he will be raped in there.

The more conventional the opinion, the more cartoonishly sadistic its enforcement. They love to talk about what ought to be done to pedophiles — not because they have unusually strong opinions about the well-being of children, but because pedophiles provide the broadest possible canvas on which to fantasize about social cruelty.

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Normies are like this because they are allowed to be like this.

If you think that Love is Love and No Human Is Illegal, you can improve your relative social status simply by being louder and more aggressive about it than the next guy. If you think we ought to repeal the Civil Rights Act, you’d better be careful and clever and charming about it.

The Gaza War was a powerful normie-scrambler, because they got mixed signals from the top about which side was the Bad Guys. So they dutifully expressed their desire for either IDF or Hamas to be disemboweled and starved and raped in prison, only to discover too late that, actually, all this time they had been advocating violence against a marginalized community. (Yikes, bad look, etc.)

In the aftermath of last week’s assassination attempt, the organs of narrative control have been paralyzed.

If you check the news, you will notice that the only consensus they’ve even attempted to generate is that it would “irresponsible to speculate”. Even calling for an investigation is a bridge too far.

Accordingly, you may have noticed that the shooting is not generating much conversation at work or church, because people have not been told how to feel or what to think about it.

Most ordinary people are wisely keeping their mouths shut and waiting for a software update; but a handful of unfortunates have kept rolling with the old social instructions from a week ago, in which Donald Trump was a 100% acceptable target for normie bloodlust.

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This is the window that people like Chaya Raichik are exploiting. Home Depot’s HR department hasn’t changed their fundamental ideological orientation — but they’re no longer sure where the line is. And since firing a cashier is cheap, they erred on the side of caution.

The debate about this phenomenon among conservatives has been framed largely in moral terms: is it fair to do this to some poor old lady? Is it proportionate? Is it hypocritical to institute “right wing cancel culture” when we’ve spent the last decade resisting it from the Left? Are we “no better than them” if we do “the same thing” when we are “in power”?

The problem is, we aren’t in power — not even close.

“Cancellation”, as characterized by its leftist proponents, is simply the result of doing and saying things that a lot of people don’t like. If you do something that enough people don’t like, you will find yourself proscribed in your professional and social opportunities.

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They are right that there’s nothing unfair, and certainly nothing unconstitutional, about facing social opprobrium for unpopular speech and behavior. People have no moral obligation to listen to speech they find repulsive, or patronize businesses whose agendas they reject.

That is what happened to Dylan Mulvaney, and it’s what is currently happening to Jack Black.

But it’s not what has been happening to us for the last decade.

The reason you can get fired for liking a Steve Sailer tweet, or donating $25 to a legal defense fund, isn’t because of a Groundswell of Popular Outrage — it’s because your employer can face 9-figure fines if they refuse to enforce a particular set of social strictures.

When my doxx was released, the “expose” got 400 likes on Twitter. For perspective, I’ve had 10 tweets with more than that in the last 72 hours. 400 likes is not “viral”, even with a dozen antifa doxxing rings (at the height of their energy) and a reporter from the Guardian helping it along.

It turns out, nobody actually cares if an entry-level finance drone thinks that feminism sucks.

But it wasn’t about a “social media outrage mob”. My employer was a glowie intelligence contractor — they didn’t “cave to popular pressure”. They don’t even sell to the public.

It was about avoiding the threat of being sued for creating a Hostile Work Environment by allowing my words to go unpunished. They fired me to comply with federal law.

So it is, in fact, different when we do it.

There will always be social rules. There will always be things you can say that will embarrass your friends and that make you a reputational liability to associate with. If “free speech absolutism” extends to the social sphere, it becomes very difficult to coordinate around any other principles. (This is why the Libertarian National Convention is always such a humiliating clown show.)

The question is not whether there should be social rules, but who will make them, and who will enforce them.

There is a strain of conservatism that enjoys moralizing about tolerance as a simulacrum of power. They imagine that they permit all these transgressions against decency out of their boundless magnanimity and dignity, rather than their powerlessness.

If we can’t overcome our embarrassment at enforcing the most basic standards of behavior, we will never have power and don’t deserve it.

But there is another strain of cope, which suggests that this singular event has somehow flipped America’s human resources bureaucracy, and that right-wingers are the ones who do the cancelling now.

A good friend who works in HR issues the following warning:

“not sure people realize that 1) a presidential assassination attempt is like a every 30 years black swan event where the HR Ladies are forced to fire anyone who says the wrong thing, and 2) the HR Ladies relish these opportunities to make a few ingroup firings because it reestablishes their neutrality and legitimacy”

“lots of ppl seem to be victory lapping over a "vibe shift" that is really more of a temporary vibe window that will snap shut within weeks”

But there are gains to be won in this moment.

Republican politicians have successfully struck fear into the hearts of some teachers and bureaucrats. It is possible to imagine a path forward in which right-wing activists consolidate wins like these, and clearly establish public-sector political purges as winning issues for red-state politicians.

These moves make more sense both optically and logistically than trying to tattle to private-sector HR departments.

Ordinary people understand intuitively that a woman responsible for socializing third-graders should not be slavering for blood in places where those children might see it.

It is also a much lighter lift to tell public sector workers in rural Oklahoma “there’s a new sheriff in town” than to unwind the decades-old infrastructure of law and custom that have established a communist secret police bureaucracy at The Home Depot.

Ultimately, though, the assassination attempt and its aftermath has revealed that the rot in our system will not be corrected through its own internal mechanisms of reform. None of these moves matter unless they assist in returning our system of government to direct human control.

The people who thrive in the coming years of crisis will be those who are realistic about the limitations on their power, without resigning themselves to powerlessness.
 
Yeah opinion articles tend to just read like longer and more well-formatted posts on here, but I found something I never knew before.

The reason you can get fired for liking a Steve Sailer tweet, or donating $25 to a legal defense fund, isn’t because of a Groundswell of Popular Outrage — it’s because your employer can face 9-figure fines if they refuse to enforce a particular set of social strictures.
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It was about avoiding the threat of being sued for creating a Hostile Work Environment by allowing my words to go unpunished. They fired me to comply with federal law.

The EEOC are basically the ones who twist the arms and weaponize HR departments if what I’m reading is correct. I never knew that.
 
Remembering long ago, decades past in the mists of history, being reprimanded by a boss and issued a formal warning because my teenage car had a (not terribly offensive) political bumper sticker.

"We know our employees have opinions and we respect that right. But we cannot tolerate our employees being seen to have a political bias of any sort. It's vital to our continuity as a business that you keep your opinions private and don't make them public in a way that it could seem like we are expressing a bias."

It was a newspaper. Can you imagine, a newspaper where it was critically important to avoid the appearance of bias or unfair preference?

God help us all.
 
The EEOC are basically the ones who twist the arms and weaponize HR departments if what I’m reading is correct. I never knew that.
It's usually referred to as "lawfare" and normies didn't do it because they were in power, doomblogger hasn't been keeping up with current events.
Normies woke up, did lawfare in front of the Supreme Court of the US, and now all discrimination is illegal, even if it's churched up as 'affirmative action'. Then they noticed the whole ESG thing was actually illegal anti-trust collusion, and the companies started pulling out of that shit within a year of being noticed.
 
Did you even read it. Don't answer I know where we are. If bullshit like that didn't exist we wouldn't have had this problem in the first place but this ain't a perfect world and all that.
I read it. I don't understand the whole going from A (I tweet something outside of work hours) to B (I'm fired) mindset of a company hoping to avoid a Federal lawsuit and fine over my place of employment being a "hostile work environment".
 
because unless you have absolute power forever, your enemies will turn it back on you.
Problem is, the left has assumed, ever since Obama, that they had that absolute power, forever.

The degree to which the left felt their political Utopia had arrived at that point and would be in charge from now on in perpetuity truly cannot be underestimated.

They spent 20 years building the narrative that they were about to triumph over all conservative political influence within their own lifetimes, and the election of a black President would surely be the proof.

It's why they lost their marbles in 2016 and can't seem to effectively get back on track.

They'd rather descent into 3rd world nation-tier anarchy and corruption than admit they were wrong.
 
"hostile work environment".
It's keeping this term purposely vague phrase and allowing people with thin skin to abuse it and get rid of people they don't like solely for an opinion they have. It doesn't matter what you or I consider what that term means, it's how HR interpret it. Given incentives from government to have more minority representation everywhere, it doesn't matter that it was a barely seen tweet, it's something that goes against the message and it's something that you will be punished for.
arguing that their use of criminal background checks in hiring violates federal civil rights law.
Don't want to hire someone with a criminal record cause you don't want to/or have the ability to insulate yourself from that risk, the government will accuse you of racism even if you are a firm believer in "we're all the same human race" your reasonable concern about hiring an ex con will result in you facing a lawsuit and possible financial ruin and given the current ruling classes opinions on "hate speech" a benign tweet may or may not bring a lawsuit against you but would you want to take that risk? It's about making people think and act a certain way and exerting control over you. I hate this gay earth.
 
The more conventional the opinion, the more cartoonishly sadistic its enforcement.

Okay, but I actually do want bad things to happen to pedophiles though. Not because I want to express my "social cruelty," but because I literally want them to die.

Also, punishing pedophiles isn't conventional opinion in our society. Child molesters get off with a slap on the wrist all the time, and entire grooming slaughterhouses like Reddit operate openly in society. Which is exactly why you will see people express the desire for vigilante violence.

Republican politicians have successfully struck fear into the hearts of some teachers and bureaucrats. It is possible to imagine a path forward in which right-wing activists consolidate wins like these, and clearly establish public-sector political purges as winning issues for red-state politicians.

These moves make more sense both optically and logistically than trying to tattle to private-sector HR departments.

Why not both? This guy spends the first third of the article talking about how normies express opinion based on social considerations, and then suddenly declares that the only way to change is to stop trying to change those social considerations, and instead "unwind decades-long infrastructure."

I feel like the writer needs an editor to help him work out exactly what he is arguing here, he has some good points but it doesn't add up to much.
 
I fail to see how someone writing a Tweet or liking a Facebook post or sending the GOP a check for 25 bucks is putting a company at risk for a hostile work environment. So long as it isn't done at work, it shouldn't matter because the fact is I will never agree with every co-worker on every issue in politics.

It doesn't matter what you see. What matters is what the EEOC and a leftist judge, following the latest social theory taught in the Ivy League, is going to think in 10 years. Look at the example given. Screening employees with criminal background checks was perfectly legal under the Civil Rights Act. Suddenly, it isn't, for no reason other than the thinking of the people who run the EEOC changed. With discrimination law, you need to be anticipating how the consensus of the left is going to shift over the next decade if you want to avoid massive fines and lawsuits.

The only way to stop this is a reform of the Civil Rights Act to remove disparate impact language and restrain the EEOC. But most Americans revere the CRA more than the Bible, so that's not happening.
 
This entire article feels like fucking rambling. I understand and largely agree with the overall sentiment and the ideas he's trying to express, but fucking hell he needs to learn how to organize his thoughts before publishing them.
B-b-but he used thesaurus.com to look up social opprobrium. Aren't you impressed?
 
This entire article feels like fucking rambling. I understand and largely agree with the overall sentiment and the ideas he's trying to express, but fucking hell he needs to learn how to organize his thoughts before publishing them.
Let's see how high Jack Black blood pressure will go if we troll them by saying we'll said the same thing you said on Biden, the Clintons, Obamas, Pelosis, etc....
 
I haven’t checked the MATI thread to see if this was said, but my problem with Josh’s take is that the precedent has already been set years ago. People were being fired for anti-Israel statements long before LoTT. The onus is on them to get rid of this retarded shit, until then it should be applied equally.
 
This whole thing is a mess.. While i agree with many parts of this.. certain parts totally lose the plot. Especially his insistence that basically some groups will always need to be oppressed, silenced or at least punished for their opinion... seemingly irregardless of the objective nature of said speech. That at any given moment it's only a matter of whom is the victim and whom gets to decide. This is simplistic and reductive at best. Worse yet he seems to imply that criteria can or even should be based on ideological and other subjective reasoning.

While i agree that engaging in cancel culture in the current now, is reasonable. Only as a matter of practicality and especially survival. (i.e. It's use is so common and successful at the moment that taking the high road becomes meaningless. we are at a point where pain, not high ideals are required. Even if pain itself won't do it, and it requires scorched earth/mutually assured destruction type of effect to end it.)

The EEOC part is very relevant and a major part of a very important aspect that gets totally ignored in all this. It is very much an end-around to the constitution, rule of law, rights and basic fairness and logic. This is one of the aspects... one of the manifestations of the extralegal bureaucratic shadow state. It's the challenging of this kind of power that made recent SC rulings so important. The bureaucratic state needs to be challenged and beat back down into a subservient role, to the democratic state, constitution and rule of law. (fact, logic and rational argument) Not running parallel to it, or augmenting/subverting it. And certainly not being used as a means to sidestep the constitution/bill of rights or democratic government.

That article he posted also touched on another dangerous aspect of the bureaucratic state. It's near total divorce from democratic control or oversight. In fact even attempting either usually is treated as some sort of unfair political power grab by the media and political elite of both parties. Untouchable bureaucrats. This was touched upon in one of those recent SC cases but not ruled on. But is a necessary next step in cutting the bureaucratic state back into its place under the law and democratic control, not as an exception to it. (intentional or not) The ability to hire and fire! Despite how shit-show it seems (coming from either side) I see no other practical, legal or safe alternatives. Politically untouchable bureaucrats may be workable in a system where their actions, authority and powers were properly regulated and controlled. But even that is questionable in an era where political and ideological capture of education, professional and bureaucratic worlds exists almost absolute and one-sided.


If the Right ever achieves Total Victory, that will be the time to debate whether to be magnanimous toward those who hated them, wished them dead and their children molestered and castrated, etc.

But societal norms are always some degree of Mutually Assured Destruction: you don't ruin people's lives over opinions or weaponize the State judicial & security apparatus, because unless you have absolute power forever, your enemies will turn it back on you.

Unilateral disarmament in the face of people who hate you and have no principles is suicide. Of course every dirty trick they use should be used on them, until they realize there's a high cost to this behavior.

Very well put and pretty much where i stand on cancel culture.


Problem is, the left has assumed, ever since Obama, that they had that absolute power, forever.

The degree to which the left felt their political Utopia had arrived at that point and would be in charge from now on in perpetuity truly cannot be underestimated.

They spent 20 years building the narrative that they were about to triumph over all conservative political influence within their own lifetimes, and the election of a black President would surely be the proof.

It's why they lost their marbles in 2016 and can't seem to effectively get back on track.

They'd rather descent into 3rd world nation-tier anarchy and corruption than admit they were wrong.

This is very true. I said as much before when talking about post 2016 and the true nature of TDS.
 
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The key differentiator is who has institutional power and who doesn’t. The one who does tends to get away with a lot more than those who don’t. And that’s never going to change. Thats how society has behaved since day one. Next time some conservative whines about muh principles, realize they’re either stupid or malicious.
 
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