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[Hummingbird]

And this is the kind of religion that Linda Sarsour wants in charge?

 

[AnOminous]

This was the same year that Britain left the Civil War era by finally repealing laws against blasphemy, only to bring in the Racial & Religious Hatred Act which criminalised, erm, blasphemy. The Blair government did some fucking exceptional things and this was one of them.

The City of London Police (name specified to avoid disrespecting other police in London because as you know this is a very exceptional group of cops) tried to prosecute some teenager for calling Scientology a cult, which is like prosecuting someone for calling water wet. Needless to say, sanity prevailed, but this is the kind of result you get when you pass idiotic laws like this.

 

[Ginger Piglet]

TIL the devil lays eggs by fucking himself.

https://islamqa.info/en/22233

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

You know... it's fun to look up really goofy shit like islam's stance on Pokemon or Pepsi or whatever...

But there's much more sinister stuff to go through. Much more straight-forward and politically relevant stuff:

"Why is the apostate to be executed in Islam?"
Emphasis added:

Praise be to Allaah.

Spoiler: tl;dr We thank you for this question, please join our club, here's a definition of apostasy

We thank you for your confidence in us and for sending this question to us, and we appreciate your being intrigued by our beliefs and your eagerness to find out the answer. We welcome you as a visitor and reader and learner.

What stood out from your letter is that you are impressed with the religion of Islam. This is a good sign for us and for you. We are happy for our religion to reach people like you who are seeking for the truth. Our Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) told us that this religion would reach all places on this earth. It was narrated that Tameem al-Daari said: “I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: ‘This matter (i.e., Islam) will certainly reach everywhere that night and day reach, and Allaah will not leave any house or tent [i.e., all dwellings, in towns and in the desert], but Allaah will cause this religion to enter it, and some people will be honoured because of it [by converting] and others will be humiliated because of it [for refusing to embrace it], and they will be ruled by the Muslims, an honour which Allaah will bestow on Islam and a humiliation which He will inflict on kufr (disbelief).”

(Narrated by Ahmad, 16344; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in al-Silsilah al-Saheehah, 3).

In your case, your admiration for Islam will motivate you to find out what this pure monotheistic religion teaches, and how it is in accordance with sound human nature and common sense. We advise you to avoid completely and preconceptions that may influence you and take your time in reading about the teachings of the Islamic religion. Perhaps you could read material on this site about Islam, such as questions no. 219, 21613, 20756, 10590.

With regard to your question, “However, I find it difficult to comprehend how a man can be sentenced to death for speaking. I would have thought that we as humans do not have that right to make those decisions, only god can” – what you say is correct, because no-one has the right to condemn another person to death without evidence from the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

The ruling of execution because of a word that somebody utters is what the Muslim scholars call al-riddah (apostasy). What is apostasy and what constitutes apostasy? What is the ruling on the apostate (al-murtadd)?

1 – Riddah (apostasy) refers to when a Muslim becomes a disbeliever by saying a clear statement to that effect, or by uttering words which imply that (i.e., which imply kufr or disbelief), or he does something that implies that (i.e., an action which implies kufr or disbelief).

2 – What constitutes apostasy

The matters which constitute apostasy are divided into four categories:

(a) Apostasy in beliefs, such as associating others with Allaah, denying Him, or denying an attribute which is proven to be one of His attributes, or by affirming that Allaah has a son. Whoever believes that is an apostate and a disbeliever.

(b) Apostasy in words, such as insulting Allaah or the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

(c) Apostasy in actions, such as throwing the Qur’an into a filthy place, because doing that shows disrespect towards the words of Allaah, so it is a sign that one does not believe. Other such actions include prostrating to an idol or to the sun or moon.

(d) Apostasy by omission, such as not doing any of the rituals of Islam, or turning away from following it altogether.

3 – What is the ruling on the apostate?

If a Muslim apostatizes and meets the conditions of apostasy – i.e., he is of sound mind, an adult and does that of his own free will – then his blood may be shed with impunity. He is to be executed by the Muslim ruler or by his deputy – such as the qaadi or judge, and he is not to not be washed (after death, in preparation for burial), the funeral prayer is not to be offered for him and he is not to be buried with the Muslims.

The evidence that the apostate is to be executed is the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him): “Whoever changes his religion, execute him.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 2794). What is meant by religion here is Islam (i.e., whoever changes from Islam to another religion).

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “It is not permissible to shed the blood of a Muslim who bears witness that there is no god except Allaah and that I am His Messenger, except in one of three cases: a soul for a soul (i.e., in the case of murder); a married man who commits adultery; and one who leaves his religion and splits form the jamaa’ah (main group of Muslims).” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 6878; Muslim, 1676)

See al-Mawsoo’ah al-Fiqhiyyah, 22/180.

Thus it will be clear to you that execution of the apostate is something that is commanded by Allaah, when he commanded us to obey the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), as He says (interpretation of the meaning):

“O you who believe! Obey Allaah and obey the Messenger (Muhammad), and those of you (Muslims) who are in authority”

[al-Nisa’ 4:59]

And the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) has commanded us to execute the apostate as in the hadeeth quoted above: “Whoever changes his religion, execute him.”

It may need some time for you to be convinced about this matter, and for you to think about it. Perhaps you think that if a person follows the truth and enters into it and embraces the one true religion which Allaah has enjoined, then we allow him to leave it quite easily whenever he wants and to utter the words of kufr (disbelief) that put him outside of Islam, so he can reject Allaah, His Messenger, His Books and His religion, and there is no punishment as deterrent, how will that affect him and others who enter the religion?

Do you not see that this would make the one true religion, that everyone should follow, like a shop or store which a person can enter when he wants and leave when he wants, and it may encourage others to forsake the truth.

Moreover, this is not someone who has never known the truth and practiced it and worshipped in accordance with it; rather this is a person who has known the truth, and practiced the religion and done the rituals of worship, so the punishment is no greater than he deserves. Moreover, such strong rulings as this are only applied to such a person whose life is no longer considered to be useful, because he knew the truth and followed the religion, then he left it and forsook it. What soul can be more evil than the soul of such a person?

In conclusion, the answer is that Allaah is the One Who revealed this religion and enjoined it. He is the One Who ruled that the one who enters it and then leaves it is to be executed. This ruling does not come from the Muslims’ ideas or suggestions. As this is the case, then we must follow the ruling of Allaah so long as we are content to accept Him as our Lord and God.

May Allaah help us and you to do that which He loves and which pleases Him. We thank you once again.

Peace be upon those who follow true guidance.

It's a comparatively long read, but HOLY FUCKING SHIT.
I put a large chunk behind a spoiler, but I urge you to read it nonetheless, since it is kind of fucked up, yo.

In terms of Jihad, I made a shortened version of their Fatwa concerning that:

"The reason why jihaad is prescribed"

1 – The main goal of jihad is to make the people worship Allaah alone and to bring them forth from servitude to people to servitude to the Lord of people.

[...]

4 – Protecting the Islamic state from the evil of the kuffaar.

Hence the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) ordered that the leaders of the kuffaar be killed, those who incited the enemies against the Muslims, such as the Jews Ka’b ibn al-Ashraf and Ibn Abi’l-Haqeeq.

Another aspect of jihad is to protect the borders against the kuffaar.

5 – Frightening the kuffaar, humiliating them and putting them to shame.

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Fight against them so that Allaah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people,

And remove the anger of their (believers’) hearts. Allaah accepts the repentance of whom He wills. Allaah is All-Knowing, All-Wise”

[al-Tawbah 9:14-15]

“And make ready against them all you can of power, including steeds of war (tanks, planes, missiles, artillery) to threaten the enemy of Allaah and your enemy”
[al-Anfaal 8:60]

Hence it is prescribed to fight in a manner that will strike terror into the heart of the enemy.

6 – Exposing the hypocrites

Allaah says (Interpretation of the meaning):
[...]
At times of ease and plenty, the Muslims may be joined by those who seek to make worldly gains, and they do not want to make the word of Allaah prevail over the word of kufr. These people may conceal their real nature from many of the Muslims, and the most effective means of exposing them is jihad, because jihad means sacrificing oneself but these hypocrites are only indulging in hypocrisy in order to save themselves.


7 – Purifying the believers of their sins and ridding them thereof

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And so are the days (good and not so good), that We give to men by turns, that Allaah may test those who believe, and that He may take martyrs from among you. And Allaah likes not the Zaalimoon (polytheists and wrongdoers).

And that Allaah may test (or purify) the believers (from sins) and destroy the disbelievers.

Do you think that you will enter Paradise before Allaah tests those of you who fought (in His Cause) and (also) tests those who are As-Saabiroon (the patient)?”
[Aal ‘Imraan 3:140-142]

8 – Acquiring booty

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “I have been sent ahead of the Hour with the sword so that Allaah will be worshipped alone, and my provision has been placed in the shade of my spear, and humiliation has been decreed for those who go against my command, and whoever imitates a people is one of them.”

[...]

9 – Taking martyrs.

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“If a wound (and killing) has touched you, be sure a similar wound (and killing) has touched the others. And so are the days (good and not so good), that We give to men by turns, that Allaah may test those who believe, and that He may take martyrs from among you. And Allaah likes not the Zaalimoon (polytheists and wrongdoers).

[...]

10 – Ridding the world of corruption.

[...]

Muqaatil said:

Were it not that Allaah checked the mushriks by means of the Muslims, the mushriks would have overrun the earth and killed the Muslims and destroyed the mosques.

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said in al-Jawaab al-Saheeh, 2/216:

So the kuffar are repelled by means of the Muslims and the worse of the two parties is repelled by the better, just as the Magians (Persians) were repelled by the Christian Byzantines, then the Christians were repelled by the believers of the ummah of Muhammad.

Al-Sa’di said: The world would be corrupted if the kuffaar and evildoers were to prevail.

These are some of the reasons why jihad is prescribed.
We ask Allaah to bring the Muslims back to their religion. May Allaah send blessings and peace upon our Prophet Muhammad.

All I can say in response is Non Nobis Domine, Goatfuckers.

 

[Cosmos]

You know... it's fun to look up really goofy shit like islam's stance on Pokemon or Pepsi or whatever...

But there's much more sinister stuff to go through. Much more straight-forward and politically relevant stuff:

"Why is the apostate to be executed in Islam?"
Emphasis added:

It's a comparatively long read, but HOLY FUCKING SHIT.
I put a large chunk behind a spoiler, but I urge you to read it nonetheless, since it is kind of fucked up, yo.

All I can say in response is Non Nobis Domine, Goatfuckers.

Imo, one of the best ways to tell if a Muslim is truly moderate or not is to bring up the topic of apostasy. While plenty of Muslims have a "live and let live" philosophy, a truly frightening number of Muslims believe apostates should be killed or at least imprisoned until they return to Islam:

(source)

(source)

Islam is the only major religion that punishes apostasy.

 

[Buer]

Spoiler: Offtopic: White Nationalists and Extermist Muslims

tbh I don't why white nationalists and extremist muslims fight. They're a lot alike. They both view homosexuals and western culture as the downfall of human civilization. They also have a hate hard-on for Jews it seems. Both denying the holocaust happened and think they did 9/11. Hell some white nationalists even want White Sharia because they love Islam so much. Makes me wonder if the only reason they hate it is because Islam also hates all other religions too. I'd imagine if it weren't for that fact they'd get along really well. I guess we should be glad they aren't bright.

https://islamqa.info/en/109346

"A woman used pills to prevent menses so that she could do Hajj, but when she got tired she had some kind of brownish discharge."

I wonder what the brownish discharge was? Was it shit?

https://islamqa.info/en/70177

"The truth is that ‘Eesa (Jesus – peace be upon him) was not killed or crucified, rather that he was taken up to heaven alive."

They apparently believe Jesus was never crucified.

"The husband does not have the right to force his Christian wife to give up these beliefs, but he may denounce her open profession of falsehood. We have to differentiate between her right to continue following her religion and her manifesting evil deeds openly in his house. An example of that is if the wife is a Muslim but she believes that something is permissible, whereas her husband believes it is haraam. He has the right to stop her doing it, because he is in charge of the family, and he is obliged to denounce whatever he believes is wrong."

Apparently it's okay for a Muslim man to forbid his Christian wife from even going to church if he believes it to be haraam. tbh I wonder why a Christian woman would even marry a Muslim man considering she wouldn't be able to do a lot of things Christians do because it is haraam in Islam. Makes me think this marriage might not be consensual.

Although I have actually heard of Muslim men and Christian women marrying, sometimes even in the US, but usually the man wants to turn the Christian woman Muslim. Here's a link to an account by a former Muslim man that married a Christian woman to turn her Christian but wound up turning Christian himself. It's an insight on what a Muslim man might think when he marries a Christian woman:

http://www.answering-islam.org/Testimonies/mohamad4jc.html

 

[Smarmy]

I wonder what the brownish discharge was? Was it shit?

Spotting, probably. That's a common side effect with birth control.

 

[ICametoLurk]

Spoiler: Offtopic: White Nationalists and Extermist Muslims

tbh I don't why white nationalists and extremist muslims fight. They're a lot alike. They both view homosexuals and western culture as the downfall of human civilization. They also have a hate hard-on for Jews it seems. Both denying the holocaust happened and think they did 9/11. Hell some white nationalists even want White Sharia because they love Islam so much. Makes me wonder if the only reason they hate it is because Islam also hates all other religions too. I'd imagine if it weren't for that fact they'd get along really well. I guess we should be glad they aren't bright.

Islamic Sharia law would also be good for White Nationalists. Why? Because it only applies to Muslims. Under Sharia if you're a White Christan and your Muslim neighbor steals anything from you, you can chop off his/her hand. Muslims would be placed into fear of committing crimes against Whites or risk losing their limbs or life.

But as you said, they fail to put two and two together. Only one man saw how Islam would benefit the White Race, where you think the yellow star for Jews came from?

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

Imo, one of the best ways to tell if a Muslim is truly moderate or not is to bring up the topic of apostasy. While plenty of Muslims have a "live and let live" philosophy, a truly frightening number of Muslims believe apostates should be killed or at least imprisoned until they return to Islam:

Yeah, most muslims in western countries don't give much of a shit about these fatwas, I assume. At worst, they'd just declare someone who's become an apostate as a persona non grata, but I doubt they'd scream for his blood to be spilled. The most likely outcome would be nagging him to return to the warm, basking light of the religion of peace.
And they certainly don't give much of a shit about the Jihad, but the few muslims that do give a shit about the stuff on this website are a threat to the safety of the society they live in.

 

[Linako 2.0]

Soon Muslims will be moving to Japan in bulk and there won't be an anti-immigration country left on earth. And with the aging population, people will beg to let them in like in Germany. Lots of half-Japanese half-Arabs coming your way in a few decades. Good fucking times!

THat's the most disguting thing I've ever read and I hope it never happens

 

[Linako 2.0]

tbh I don't why white nationalists and extremist muslims fight. They're a lot alike.

Hitler used to somewhat like the muslims, but that was due to ignorance of not reading the Quran.
nowadays, White Nationalists hate muslims as they are invading Europe and after reading the Quran, realized that Islam wants to take over the entire earth with Islam, hate dogs, hate music and is part of the Abrahamic cults that took over European culture.
Now there are some of the far right that think whites should embrace islam, but they're ridiculed for being too zelous for far-right standards and for thinking women are nothing but objects instead of as mothers and caregivers of the next generation of white children.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

Hitler used to somewhat like the muslims, but that was due to ignorance of not reading the Quran.
nowadays, White Nationalists hate muslims as they are invading Europe and after reading the Quran, realized that Islam wants to take over the entire earth with Islam, hate dogs, hate music and is part of the Abrahamic cults that took over European culture.
Now there are some of the far right that think whites should embrace islam, but they're ridiculed for being too zelous for far-right standards and for thinking women are nothing but objects instead of as mothers and caregivers of the next generation of white children.

I'd rather assume the higher echelons of the Wehrmacht realized just how easy it is to make Islams kill themselves for some cause.

Something that you always need during warfare is large groups of people who charge through mortar fire and machinegun salvoes without flinching.

 

[Linako 2.0]

I'd rather assume the higher echelons of the Wehrmacht realized just how easy it is to make Islams kill themselves for some cause.

Something that you always need during warfare is large groups of people who charge through mortar fire and machinegun salvoes without flinching.

Blow yourself up to get your 72 Valkyrie virgins.
APPLY NOW

 

[AnOminous]

Yeah, most muslims in western countries don't give much of a shit about these fatwas, I assume. At worst, they'd just declare someone who's become an apostate as a persona non grata, but I doubt they'd scream for his blood to be spilled. The most likely outcome would be nagging him to return to the warm, basking light of the religion of peace.
And they certainly don't give much of a shit about the Jihad, but the few muslims that do give a shit about the stuff on this website are a threat to the safety of the society they live in.

Even in Britain, a third of Muslims think people who convert from Islam should be murdered.

http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLawOrOneLawForAll.pdf

 

[ICametoLurk]

https://islamqa.info/en/41199

What should be done to gays?
https://islamqa.info/en/38622

Some of them were of the view that they should be burned with fire, which was the view of ‘Ali (may Allaah be pleased with him) and also of Abu Bakr (may Allaah be pleased with him), as we shall see below. And some of them thought that they should be thrown down from a high place then have stones thrown at them.

According to this site the Catholic Church burned people for believing that the Earth is round
https://islamqa.info/en/118698

Rather the false view is that which claims that it is flat, as the Church used to believe and for that reason used to curse and burn those scientists who said that it was round.

Which is strange cause according to wikipedia

The story of widespread religious belief in the flat Earth was repeated by Andrew Dickson White in his 1876 The Warfare of Science[24] and elaborated twenty years later in his two-volume History of the Warfare of Science with Theology in Christendom, which exaggerated the number and significance of medieval flat Earthers to support White's model of warfare between dogmatic theology and scientific progress.[25] As Draper and White's metaphor of ongoing warfare between the scientific progress of the Enlightenment and the religious obscurantism of the "Dark Ages" became widely accepted, it spread the idea of medieval belief in the flat Earth.[26]

The flat earth model has often been incorrectly supposed to be church doctrine by those who wish to portray the Catholic Church as being anti-progress or hostile to scientific inquiry. This narrative has been repeated even in academic circles, such as in April 2016, when Boston College theology professor and ex-priest Thomas Groome erroneously stated that "the Catholic Church never said the earth is round, but just stopped saying it was flat."[34]

 

[Pointless Pedant]

One of the main reasons Islamism spreads so fucking fast is because cucks with their heads in the sand often divert resources dedicated to fighting it into monitoring Neo Nazi gangs that have a few dozen members at most so MSNBC and stupid college kids can feel good about themselves.

I don't think Egypt and Syria are particularly concerned with neo Nazi gangs when they had Otto Skorzeny and Alois Brunner working for them for years.

 

[The Kebab and Calculator]

It's a few years old and am sure you have all seen it before but this thread reminded me of this. And I smiled watching it again. Kebabs making this kebab laugh.

 

[Pointless Pedant]

https://islamqa.info/en/41199

What should be done to gays?
https://islamqa.info/en/38622


According to this site the Catholic Church burned people for believing that the Earth is round
https://islamqa.info/en/118698


Which is strange cause according to wikipedia

The mediaeval church never insisted the Earth was flat. Even the ancient Greeks had made various estimates of the Earth's circumference, some very accurate.

For all those those people making up crackpot theories about religious conflicts being deadlier in modern times because of reduced need for manual labour, that's a heap of bollocks, but I guess expecting anyone to know about the French wars of religion or the 30 years' war is too much when there are so many comic book films to whine about. The latter conflict was so devastating it led to a complete overhaul of European politics and established the concept of Westphalian nation states.

At the time, the Ottoman caliphate was stable by comparison. It's only once it started to break up that the current Islamic conflicts emerged. Radical Islam of the sort found on this site, primarily emanating from Saudi Arabia, became much more common in the 20th century as Saudi Arabia and the other Gulf states grew in wealth and power and funded radical mosques around the world. People like to project the present back into the past when that's not appropriate.

 

[HG 400]

The mediaeval church never insisted the Earth was flat. Even the ancient Greeks had made various estimates of the Earth's circumference, some very accurate.

They did burn a few folks for believing in heliocentrism, tho.

 

[Pointless Pedant]

They did burn a few folks for believing in heliocentrism, tho.

Their main criticism of Giordano Bruno was that he thought there were other habitable planets in the Universe and aliens existed. They didn't like anything which suggested the Earth or people weren't unique, because they didn't want to contemplate their own insignificance.