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escapegoat said:
Isn't Black Islam actually significantly different? Like, it is not Sunni or Shia, it's an entire separate thing? They're the Mormons of Islam?
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The nation of Islam is definitely that, but there are still a shitload of ordinary black muslims whether because of prison conversion or because they come from northern Africa.
 
DICKPICSRUS said:
I wonder when Sjw are gonna turn on Muslims like they did with gay men. My guess it has to do with black people

http://mvslim.com/racism-in-the-muslim-community-are-we-really-one/

Buzzfeed (http://archive.is/WZYE3)
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In my sophomore year of college, I had a class on the sociology of religion (basically, we studied how religions themselves function in/affect society rather than studying what specific religions teach). At one point we watched a documentary on the Hajj (the most important pilgrimage in Islam). It's called Inside Mecca.


Anyway, the documentary followed several groups of people undertaking the Hajj and their experiences during it. I remember that one of the subjects was a white American woman who had converted to Islam, and another subject was an African man. I think the woman experienced sexism (shocker), but the part that stuck with me is how the black man experienced a lot of racism in Mecca. The Hajj is supposed to be a time where all Muslims are completely equal, and yet black Muslims were treated like third-class citizens.

Also, it's probably important to mention that Arabs are some of the most fucking racist and anti-Semitic people on the planet. Of course, not all Arabs are racist and many are wonderful, accepting people, but racism is an epidemic in the Middle East. Considering that the Middle East is the heart of Islam (specifically, Saudi Arabia is seen as the spiritual center and Egypt is seen as the intellectual center), this means that racism often bleeds into Islamic ideology.

Mona Eltahawy wrote a great article on the topic:

The Arab world's dirty secret

I was on my way home on the Cairo Metro, lost in thought as I listened to music when I noticed a young Egyptian taunting a Sudanese girl. She reached out and tried to grab the girl's nose and laughed when the girl tried to brush her hand away.

The Sudanese girl looked to be Dinka, from southern Sudan and not the northern Sudanese who "look like us." She was obviously in distress.

I removed my headphones and asked the Egyptian woman "Why are you treating her like that?"

She exploded into a tornado of yelling, demanding to know why it was my business. I told her it was my business because as an Egyptian and as a Muslim who was riding the Metro, her behavior was wrong and I would not stay silent about it. I knew she was Muslim because she wore a scarf.

I told her that the way she was treating the Sudanese girl made the scarf on her head meaningless. Her mother asked me why I didn't cover my hair and I replied that I didn't want to be a hypocrite like her and her daughter.

As distressing as I found that young woman's behavior, I was even more distressed that the other women in the Metro car watched and said nothing. They made no attempt to defend the Sudanese girl nor to defend me when I confronted the Egyptian woman.

After the Egyptian woman got off at her station, I asked the other women why they didn't do anything. One woman said she stayed silent because the racist woman would've yelled at her. So what, I asked? If enough of the women had confronted her, she would have been outnumbered.

I apologized to the Sudanese girl for the Egyptian woman's behavior and she thanked me and told me "Egyptians are bad." I could only imagine other times she'd been abused publicly.

We are a racist people in Egypt and we are in deep denial about it. On my Facebook page, I blamed racism for my argument and an Egyptian man wrote to deny that we are racists and used as his proof a program on Egyptian Radio featuring Sudanese songs and poetry!

Our silence over racism not only destroys the warmth and hospitality we are proud of as Egyptians, it has deadly consequences.

What else but racism on Dec. 30, 2005, allowed hundreds of riot policemen to storm through a makeshift camp in central Cairo to clear it of 2,500 Sudanese refugees, trampling or beating to death 28 people, among them women and children?

What else but racism lies behind the bloody statistics at the Egyptian border with Israel where, since 2007, Egyptian guards have killed at least 33 migrants, many from Sudan's Darfur region, including a pregnant woman and a 7-year-old girl?

The racism I saw on the Cairo Metro has an echo in the Arab world at large, where the suffering in Darfur goes ignored because its victims are black and because those who are creating the misery in Darfur are not Americans or Israelis and we only pay attention when America and Israel behave badly.

We love to cry "Islamophobia" when we talk about the way Muslim minorities are treated in the West and yet we never stop to consider how we treat minorities and the most vulnerable among us.

The U.S. television network ABC recently staged a scenario in which an actor worked in a bakery in Texas and refused to serve an actress dressed as a Muslim woman in a headscarf. The scene was an experiment to see if other customers would help the Muslim woman.

Thirteen customers defended her by yelling at the clerk, asking for the manager or walking out in disgust. Six customers supported the bigoted clerk and 22 looked away and did absolutely nothing.

I wonder now which Egyptian television channel would dare to stage such an experiment? And which Arab television channel would dare to stage a program that so boldly confronts us with the question "what would you do?"

For those of us who move between different worlds - where one day we are a majority as I am as a Sunni Muslim in Egypt and another we are a minority as I am as a Muslim in America - it is clear that to defend the rights of a Sudanese girl on the Cairo Metro means to defend my right on the New York Subway.

We live in a world that is connected in unprecedented ways. And that connection now extends to rights. If we want our rights to be respected we must do the right thing, everywhere.

Mona Eltahawy is a columnist for Egypt's Al Masry Al Youm and Qatar's Al Arab. She is based in New York.
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If only we had more Monas in the world :(
 
Cosmos said:
Also, it's probably important to mention that Arabs are some of the most fucking racist and anti-Semitic people on the planet. Of course, not all Arabs are racist and many are wonderful, accepting people, but racism is an epidemic in the Middle East.
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Fun Fact: If you believe you belong to a race, you are buying into a con job by Arabs to justify enslavement of their co-religionists after they didn't have access to traditional slave markets in Eastern Europe.

The Arabs believed that all Blacks were an inferior race who needed to be enslaved lest they commit crimes. They also sterilized all the Blacks they made slaves of because of this.
The only people who accept slavery are the Negroes, owing to their low degree of humanity and proximity to the animal stage. Other persons who accept the status of slave do so as a means of attaining high rank, or power, or wealth, as is the case with the Mameluke Turks in the East and with those Franks and Galicians who enter the service of the state [in Spain].
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"To the south of this...there is a Negro people called Lamlam. They are unbelievers. They brand themselves on the face and temples. The people of Ghanah and Takrur invade their country, capture them, and sell them to merchants who transport them to the Maghrib. There, they constitute the ordinary mass of slaves. Beyond them to the south, there is no civilization in the proper sense. There are only humans who are closer to dumb animals than to rational beings. They live in thickets and caves and eat herbs and unprepared grain. They frequently eat each other. They cannot be considered human beings."
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"the Negro does not differ from an animal in anything except the fact that his hands have been lifted from the earth. Many have seen that the ape is more capable of being trained than the Negro, and more intelligent.”
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When Europeans had slaves, they just did it so that they didn't have to deal with paying laborers and some other benefits., Arabs had slaves because they thought they weren't Humans and it was a service towards Blacks by enslaving them and sterilizing them.

It's actually because of this that Muhammad's whiteness was extremely exaggerated to the point where you almost can't find him on a piece of white paper that might as well be a portrait.

And it's because of this Racism that whenever there was a war and they were using Black slaves to fight, they slaughtered them like animals if they were on the losing side.
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Cosmos said:
In my sophomore year of college, I had a class on the sociology of religion (basically, we studied how religions themselves function in/affect society rather than studying what specific religions teach). At one point we watched a documentary on the Hajj (the most important pilgrimage in Islam). It's called Inside Mecca.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=PWhPSk5pfHg
Anyway, the documentary followed several groups of people undertaking the Hajj and their experiences during it. I remember that one of the subjects was a white American woman who had converted to Islam, and another subject was an African man. I think the woman experienced sexism (shocker), but the part that stuck with me is how the black man experienced a lot of racism in Mecca. The Hajj is supposed to be a time where all Muslims are completely equal, and yet black Muslims were treated like third-class citizens.

Also, it's probably important to mention that Arabs are some of the most fucking racist and anti-Semitic people on the planet. Of course, not all Arabs are racist and many are wonderful, accepting people, but racism is an epidemic in the Middle East. Considering that the Middle East is the heart of Islam (specifically, Saudi Arabia is seen as the spiritual center and Egypt is seen as the intellectual center), this means that racism often bleeds into Islamic ideology.

Mona Eltahawy wrote a great article on the topic:



If only we had more Monas in the world :(
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Cosmos said:
In my sophomore year of college, I had a class on the sociology of religion (basically, we studied how religions themselves function in/affect society rather than studying what specific religions teach). At one point we watched a documentary on the Hajj (the most important pilgrimage in Islam). It's called Inside Mecca.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=PWhPSk5pfHg
Anyway, the documentary followed several groups of people undertaking the Hajj and their experiences during it. I remember that one of the subjects was a white American woman who had converted to Islam, and another subject was an African man. I think the woman experienced sexism (shocker), but the part that stuck with me is how the black man experienced a lot of racism in Mecca. The Hajj is supposed to be a time where all Muslims are completely equal, and yet black Muslims were treated like third-class citizens.

Also, it's probably important to mention that Arabs are some of the most fucking racist and anti-Semitic people on the planet. Of course, not all Arabs are racist and many are wonderful, accepting people, but racism is an epidemic in the Middle East. Considering that the Middle East is the heart of Islam (specifically, Saudi Arabia is seen as the spiritual center and Egypt is seen as the intellectual center), this means that racism often bleeds into Islamic ideology.

Mona Eltahawy wrote a great article on the topic:



If only we had more Monas in the world :(
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There is some people callingout the racism but it hasn't caught on in the main stream Sjw https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/s...hallenging-Saudi-Arabias-perception-of-beauty



Abeer Sinder is a female Saudi beauty blogger making a stand against anti-blackness for all those who have been overlooked in the Arab world due to their dark skin.

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Beauty, Racism, Black, Anti-Black, Middle East, YouTuber,Abeer Sinder, Saudi Arabia
While some would argue that being female is quite possibly one of the toughest aspects of living in the conservative kingdom of Saudi Arabia, the trials of dark-skinned women, who not only suffer from obvious misogynistic tendencies from men but also deep-rooted anti-black racism from their female peers alike, regularly go unnoticed.
For Saudi health and beauty blogger Abeer Sinder, the issue of racism is more than just a topic to be discussed and debated, it's an issue she has dealt with since birth.

In recent weeks, Sinder's YouTube video Yes she's black.. but she's prettyhas gained traction with more than a quarter of a million views in just two weeks.

The title refers to a common offensive remark made by Arabs who believe they are complimenting a 'black but pretty' woman without realising the racist undertones involved, she suggests.

"We are told that our features are ugly but it's okay because yes, you are black - but you're also pretty and bubbly and you have good energy," she told The New Arab.

"Growing up I always felt that my dark skin is beautiful and that I was pretty," she said, "but that changed when I went out into society; I started to hear so many hateful, racist comments that made me hate myself for a while... I even considered skin bleaching."

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Growing up I always felt that my dark skin is beautiful and that I was pretty... but that changed when I went out into society; I started to hear so many hateful, racist comments that made me hate myself for a while... I even considered skin bleaching
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For much of the Arab world - and some parts of south-east Asia - skin-bleaching is a daily reality, and anti-blackness is prominent, deeply entrenched and very much a taboo subject.

In fact, the sight of a dark-skinned Arab beauty blogger in the Arab world is hardly common. So rare is she that Sinder says all models, beauty bloggers and influencers she looked up to while growing up were "foreign".

"The main reason why I started blogging is because in the Middle East - Saudi Arabia to be specific - there aren't any social or public representatives of the 'black girl'," she said.

"I couldn't relate to any of the public figures and style influencers I followed, and I looked for someone with my complexion so that I can benefit from their experiences but I couldn't find any... So I decided to be that person for a lot of other black Arabs."

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The main reason why I started blogging is because in the Middle East – Saudi Arabia to be specific – there aren't any social or public representatives of the 'black girl'
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Western beauty standards

Global beauty trends often stem from the rich and powerful of the western world. White skin, blonde hair and blue eyes - for much of the Arab world - represent beauty, because those who hold any sense of real authority also hold these attributes, writer Susan Abulhawa suggests.

"That image rejects melanin-rich skin, coiled hair, broad or pointy noses, short stature, broad hips and big legs," writes Abulhawa.

"So we, too, reject these features, despising them in others and in ourselves as symbols of inferiority, laziness, and poverty. That's why the anglicising industries of skin bleaching and hair straightening are so profitable," Abulhawa notes.

For the younger generations, social media has provided an opportunity to both introduce wider viewpoints on race and the ability to interact more freely with other cultures - this is clearly demonstrated in the stream of comments found under Sinder's Instagram images and YouTube videos.

Yet despite this, social pressures stemming from the Arab worlds' elder generations insist on 'fair skin' and not much is being done to tackle these outdated ideals.

"The Arab world lacks a sustainable movement with leaders who methodically confront the issue of anti-Black racism with any sort of regularity," Dawud Walid told The New Arab.

"It's not even considered a majority societal issue to acknowledge much less confront, pertaining to bigotry that faces African immigrants and refugees, to even black Arabs," Walid added.
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I think this is a problem that comes with seeing everything in the world from an american point of view.
Communism is rebellious because it's against american capitalism.
Blacks can only be victims of white racism because only white people had slaves in america.
The nationalism and racism of japanese or mexican or arab people is not even considered because they face discrimination in America
Not even in UK there is a' white ppl against all poc' point of view as strong as in America.
I remember some time ago when I vented over mafia's control of the drug traffic, because of some bad episodes that happened around Milan; and this american guy came to me saying how the real problem is that young black teenagers go to prison for smoking weed. Dude the heck
 
ICametoLurk said:
Fun Fact: If you believe you belong to a race, you are buying into a con job by Arabs to justify enslavement of their co-religionists after they didn't have access to traditional slave markets in Eastern Europe.

The Arabs believed that all Blacks were an inferior race who needed to be enslaved lest they commit crimes. They also sterilized all the Blacks they made slaves of because of this.




When Europeans had slaves, they just did it so that they didn't have to deal with paying laborers and some other benefits., Arabs had slaves because they thought they weren't Humans and it was a service towards Blacks by enslaving them and sterilizing them.

It's actually because of this that Muhammad's whiteness was extremely exaggerated to the point where you almost can't find him on a piece of white paper that might as well be a portrait.

And it's because of this Racism that whenever there was a war and they were using Black slaves to fight, they slaughtered them like animals if they were on the losing side.
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Where do those quotes come from - the book at the end of your post?
 
Ineedahero said:
Where do those quotes come from - the book at the end of your post?
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North African and Persian Muslim Scholars during the Middle Ages.
They're still used by some Racists today.
http://chimpmania.com/forum/showthr...ics-of-blacks-before-any-European-colonialism


They also talked shit about others, like Ibn Khaldun being the first person in history to call what we now call Saudi Arabians Sand Niggers as he talked about how they were backwards savages who just raped and killed anything in sight and incapable of living civilized for extended periods of time and it was only due to Mediterranean Muslims that Islam was able to exist.

Blacks were the worse they talked about though.
 
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And don't forget about the Arab slave trade, or how slavery is deeply embedded in Islamic law and tradition. This blog has a few really interesting (and well-sourced) articles on the subject of Islamic slavery:
If you're looking for a laugh, be sure to read the comments on the articles. There are quite a few desperate Muslim apologists in there.
 
SJWs generally just insist that the Arab world learned racism through Western Colonialism. So, it's really Europe's fault. Like literally everything else bad on earth.
 
escapegoat said:
SJWs generally just insist that the Arab world learned racism through Western Colonialism. So, it's really Europe's fault. Like literally everything else bad on earth.
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Western imperialism is to SJWs as God is to die-hard christians. They both work in mysterious ways, shhh stop asking.
 
I honestly, genuinely believe that "anti-racism" is functioning as a religion/pseudoreligion to a lot of leftists, but that's probably way off-topic.
 
AnOminous said:
Why the fuck is this the case, though, where there's a new Islamic terrorist attack every fucking week?

I guess you just can't spell cUcK without UK.
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I think it has to do with Islam having been in Britain for a longer time due to the Pakistani diaspora. They've been there longer and thus more people interact with them. Hell, the first British Muslim MP, Mohammad Sarwar, was elected to parliament over 20 years ago. And that was in fucking Glasgow!
 
So, Britain accepted Islam into their society, and in return, the religion that was so gracefully invited in, is now waging war on their hosts.
Britain really does need to do something about radical Islam. I'm not saying kick all the "brown people" out, but they need to take Islam extremism a LOT more seriously, and deport those who openly preach such extremist hatred. Not just Islam extremism, but any kind of extremism from guests. Not everyone is entitled to live in Britain, and Britain must do what's in the best interest of their own country and their own people, not bending over backwards to accommodate those who can't, and won't be a productive member of society.

People just need to realize that criticizing religious extremism and violence isn't automatically racist and bigoted.
It shows just how far political correctness has gone, when you're not even allowed to criticize religious extremism. At one point, political correctness was a good thing; it was about things like not making racist jokes, or making sweeping generalizations about people from different cultures. What happened? 20 years ago, society was progressing quite well.
 
AnOminous said:
Why the fuck is this the case, though, where there's a new Islamic terrorist attack every fucking week?

I guess you just can't spell cUcK without UK.
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It's fear mostly. A lot of the muslims who've moved here are the kind to skin you alive for muttering anything that might be "islamophobic".
In several cities (Birmingham for example) muslim immigrants are almost the majority and a lot fucking hate anyone of a different colour or religion. The police are often busy dealing with gang attacks, stolen cars and break ins and don't have time to deal with a lot of reports. It doesn't help that any muslims that conform and become brits in all but name are ex-communicated from their families a lot of the time and are attacked just as frequently. As you can expect, not a lot do conform because of this.
England is scared, and nobody with any power gives 2 shits about how to fix this issue. Not may, not the lib dems, especially not Corbin.
England has lost it's balls
 
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