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Another zinger from AsoOmii Jay. I can't even...
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Also, apparently this chick went to Libya during 2014 at the height of the civil war to see family. That is just :stupid: on so many levels to both parties' safety.

Edit: The family member she went to see was not even an immediate member. It was a fully grown cousin she apparently only saw a couple times during childhood.
 
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NIA-DOA 2.0 said:
Another zinger from AsoOmii Jay. I can't even...
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Also, apparently this chick went to Libya during 2014 at the height of the civil war to see family. That is just :stupid: on so many levels to both parties' safety.
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That bitch is so exceptional and so misinformed about mortality rates in Medieval times, it upsets me.
 
Who the hell married at 15 during the 70s? Aside from very poor and uneducated folks, I don't see how that was the "norm" till the 80s.
 
friedshrimp said:
Who the hell married at 15 during the 70s? Aside from very poor and uneducated folks, I don't see how that was the "norm" till the 80s.
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Child protection laws used to be very poor in most of the world; the age of consent in Delaware in 1880 was 7. I think she was referring to the 1970s in Libya rather than in the United States, where underage marriages were common, although the age of consent was 18 for men and 16 for women. After the overthrow of Gadaffi, Libya joined Sudan as one of 2 African states with absolutely no age of consent at all, other than that the participants must be married. I think a lot of our lolcows would consider moving if they were aware.
 
Somsnosa said:
Cultural relativism should be somethin like women not covering their breasts or eating rice with hands or mummification. You know, things we don't do in our culture but harm no one.
Thinkin 'terrorism is just a culture thing' is nuts
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Did you know that cultural relativism was created for and is only meant to be used in a strictly academic setting? I’m a sociology major, and I’ve been taught that cultural relativism was created as a means to keep researchers unbiased when studying other cultures. Cultures are meant to be seen as merely different, not better or worse. This is to prevent bias from seeping into the actual research being done, because it can affect the results. Cultural relativism is not meant to be used in any other context. Too bad it’s mutated to become “All cultures are perfect and beautiful and you’re not allowed to call cultures that stone rape victims inferior to Western culture.”

NIA-DOA 2.0 said:
Another zinger from AsoOmii Jay. I can't even...
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Also, apparently this chick went to Libya during 2014 at the height of the civil war to see family. That is just :stupid: on so many levels to both parties' safety.
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Oh joy, someone pulled out the "Everyone fucked 8-14-year-olds back then!!" argument. It's absolutely true that a lot of European kings married and fucked young girls... but we don't revere them as the perfect humans who we're meant to model our lives after. Muhammad's marriage to Aisha is used to justify child marriage all across the globe. If the perfect man- whose actions are meant to be emulated by everyone if they want a shot of getting into Heaven- married and fucked a child, then why can't everyone else?

As this website states:

Getting married at an early age is something that is confirmed by the book of Allah, the Sunnah of his Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam), the consensus of the scholars and the actions of the companions, and the Muslims who came after them...

There are many Ahadith which confirm that marriage at an early age was widespread among the companions and no one denied its permissibility. Getting married at an early age was not peculiar to the Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam) as some people think, but it was general for him and for his Ummah.

The following are some of the actions of the Sahaba (companions):

1. Ali Ibn Abi Talib, may Allah be pleased with him, married his daughter, Um Kulthum to Omar Ibn Al-Khattab, may Allah be pleased with him, and she mothered a child before the death of the Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam). Omar got married to her while she was young before reaching the age of puberty. This is reported by Ibn Saad in 'Al-Tabaqat'.

2. From Urwa Ibn Zubair: that Zubair, may Allah be pleased with him, married his daughter when she was very young. Reported by Saeed Ibn Mansour, in his Sunnah, and Ibn Abi Shaibah, in Al-musannaf, with a Sahih chain of narration.

Al-Shafie said in the book of Al-Um: "Many companions of the Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam) married their daughters while these were still young."

Delaying the marriage of girls in many Muslim countries is something new and contradictory to what Muslims used to do over many centuries. This is because of westernization and the application of man-made laws. This caused a change in understandings and customs within a considerable number of the population, and it is absolutely not permissible to consider the customs and traditions in a given country as the standard by which people abide, and fail to obey the absolute evidences of Shariah.

In some Muslim countries, the marriage for girls has been delayed by many years beyond the age of puberty. This has indeed led to an increase in the removal of the veil from the face, and increased fornication and adultery, as well as the emergence of deviation in conduct and religion among the youth. They had become morally unstable as they lack affection, chastity, and protection their private parts from illegal sexual relations.

By delaying marriage, there is also a reduction in the number of Muslims in the Ummah, and this is contrary to the order of the Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam), as he ordered us to have many children so that the Muslim nation will be greater in number than the previous nations.
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:'(:cryblood::'(:cryblood::'(:cryblood:

Also, AsoOmii Jay said something pretty illuminating:

You can insult Muslims. You can insult Islam. But Muslims will never tolerate insulting our beloved Muhammad.
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Yeah, which is why a disturbing amount of Muslims get violently angry if Muhammad (or Islam in general) is disrespected in any way.

I just find it fascinating that Muhammad is afforded such reverence that it borders on outright worship. Like, mockery/criticism of Muhammad is usually met with much stronger reactions than mockery/criticism of Allah... even though Allah is the one who is meant to be worshipped and Muhammad is just a simple messenger. I think that's why a lot of non-Muslims have the notion that Muslims worship Muhammad; it certainly looks that way sometimes, even if the Muslims giving that impression strongly deny it.
 
Cosmos said:
Did you know that cultural relativism was created for and is only meant to be used in a strictly academic setting? I’m a sociology major, and I’ve been taught that cultural relativism was created as a means to keep researchers unbiased when studying other cultures. Cultures are meant to be seen as merely different, not better or worse. This is to prevent bias from seeping into the actual research being done, because it can affect the results. Cultural relativism is not meant to be used in any other context. Too bad it’s mutated to become “All cultures are perfect and beautiful and you’re not allowed to call cultures that stone rape victims inferior to Western culture.”



Oh joy, someone pulled out the "Everyone fucked 8-14-year-olds back then!!" argument. It's absolutely true that a lot of European kings married and fucked young girls... but we don't revere them as the perfect humans who we're meant to model our lives after. Muhammad's marriage to Aisha is used to justify child marriage all across the globe. If the perfect man- whose actions are meant to be emulated by everyone if they want a shot of getting into Heaven- married and fucked a child, then why can't everyone else?

As this website states:


:'(:cryblood::'(:cryblood::'(:cryblood:

Also, AsoOmii Jay said something pretty illuminating:



Yeah, which is why a disturbing amount of Muslims get violently angry if Muhammad (or Islam in general) is disrespected in any way.

I just find it fascinating that Muhammad is afforded such reverence that it borders on outright worship. Like, mockery/criticism of Muhammad is usually met with much stronger reactions than mockery/criticism of Allah... even though Allah is the one who is meant to be worshipped and Muhammad is just a simple messenger. I think that's why a lot of non-Muslims have the notion that Muslims worship Muhammad; it certainly looks that way sometimes, even if the Muslims giving that impression strongly deny it.
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If Islam wants to reform, the seperation from the actions of Muhammad and the word of Allah would be an okay first step.
 
NIA-DOA 2.0 said:
Another zinger from AsoOmii Jay. I can't even...
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Also, apparently this chick went to Libya during 2014 at the height of the civil war to see family. That is just :stupid: on so many levels to both parties' safety.

Edit: The family member she went to see was not even an immediate member. It was a fully grown cousin she apparently only saw a couple times during childhood.
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In the Medieval ages, Women were still getting married at around 18-19 unless it was a shotgun (crossbow?) wedding.
meanwhile, Muhammad married a 6 year old and the Koran says it's ok to sodomize little girls as long as you don't put it inside her.

Also, being age 40 in the middle ages did not mean you were elderly, that's just statistics caused by high infant mortality rate.
People back then lived well into their 70's or 80's unless we count the black plague from the late medieval ages/early renaissance
 
Cosmos said:
Oh joy, someone pulled out the "Everyone fucked 8-14-year-olds back then!!" argument. It's absolutely true that a lot of European kings married and fucked young girls... but we don't revere them as the perfect humans who we're meant to model our lives after.
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Contrary to what Pedos and these people think the idea of fucking kids isn't something that Europeans during the Middle Ages liked. Even by the 1200's there were Age of Consent laws, and if you had sex with anyone below the age of 12 you were executed.

And not by a merciful chopping off the head. You were put in a cage so people could see you die a slow death via thirst and starvation.
 
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Am I wrong in thinking that we as progressives concerned with social justice have to be careful that we don't let our real and necessary concern about Islamophobia end up inadvertently carrying water for the most conservative, anti-feminist, homophobic, extremist etc tendencies within Islam?
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https://www.reddit.com/r/GamerGhazi/comments/6jyz4b/what_do_you_all_think_of_the_current_goingson/
http://archive.is/tbWJh

This was on GamerGhazi and I'm actually proud of OP there for realizing the problem here.
 
I can't help but think that some of the "Left's" overall limpness in giving Islam the full rhetorical thrashing it so desperately has coming is a reaction (if ultimately a self defeating one) to thoughtless political Christians spending the past forty-five years working to erode the secular state bit-by-bit, only to have an even worse group of Abrahamic monotheists now able to take advantage of that. As I'm no doubt sure the evangelicals on this site are aware, "You reap what you sow".
 
BestUserName said:
I can't help but think that some of the "Left's" overall limpness in giving Islam the full rhetorical thrashing it so desperately has coming is a reaction (if ultimately a self defeating one) to thoughtless political Christians spending the past forty-five years working to erode the secular state bit-by-bit, only to have an even worse group of Abrahamic monotheists now able to take advantage of that. As I'm no doubt sure the evangelicals on this site are aware, "You reap what you sow".
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Are you suggesting that forces on the left want fundy muslims fucking shit up for the fundy christians who have been causing problems?

I don't think any liberal group sees it that way. They're all way too tied to the idea that christian=white, muslim=brown. They'll bend over backwards to let Islam subjugate women and children for sake of the oppression hierarchy.
 
Alec Benson Leary said:
Are you suggesting that forces on the left want fundy muslims fucking shit up for the fundy christians who have been causing problems?

I don't think any liberal group sees it that way. They're all way too tied to the idea that christian=white, muslim=brown. They'll bend over backwards to let Islam subjugate women and children for sake of the oppression hierarchy.
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I'm not saying that is their explicit thought process, or that anybody deserves to have their rights threatened, only to remember that any law that can be used for you can also be used against you, and that, yes, freedom of religion does also mean freedom from religion.
 
BestUserName said:
only to remember that any law that can be used for you can also be used against you, and that, yes, freedom of religion does also mean freedom from religion.
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I get what you're saying, but I think leftists and SJWs very specifically don't understand that whole door-swings-both-ways concept.
 
Alec Benson Leary said:
I get what you're saying, but I think leftists and SJWs very specifically don't understand that whole door-swings-both-ways concept.
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Of course they don't conservatives were warning for years that the Obama's massive centralized executive power grab was a terrible idea and Democrats wouldn't control the white house forever, and the response from the left was "lol you lost suck it bigots." Now they're all upset that Trump came into office with hugely expanded executive power that they fucking gave him.
 
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I have always maintained, bar conspiracy theories, that lefties have embraced muslims solely to piss off the Christian right. Islam is philosophically incompatible with them and they didn't give a shit before 9/11, but once right-wingers started to criticize it they glommed on defend. But such an arrangement will inevitably end with either Islam becoming Nonthreatening Pozzed Brown People Religion (see http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...ie-knot-Stockholm-delighted-imam-gay-too.html) or lefties getting BTFO by sharia. Personally, I'm betting on the latter, since muslims have AKs, grip strength, and higher values than buttsex and gibs.
 
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A lot of lefties genuinely don't get religion, at all, and so, no, they are not ever going to understand that standard-issue Islam is philosophically incompatible with Western democracy. I think it doesn't help that for decades, so many of the Muslims that immigrated to the states were STEMlords that never really bought into Islam in the first place, because they're basically Arab and Iranian Atheist neckbeards, so for years and years you could find plenty of middle aged American examples of "cultural" Muslims who don't actually believe in Allah at all, and who were pissed off at the fundies back home being irrational and backwards.

We weren't bringing them over for manual labor. We have Mexicans for that.
 
ICametoLurk said:
Contrary to what Pedos and these people think the idea of fucking kids isn't something that Europeans during the Middle Ages liked. Even by the 1200's there were Age of Consent laws, and if you had sex with anyone below the age of 12 you were executed.

And not by a merciful chopping off the head. You were put in a cage so people could see you die a slow death via thirst and starvation.
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We should start doing that again tbh
 
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