Is rudeness objective?

[IBM Broadway]

Can any behavior without physical harm (not counting gradual hearing damage or possible synaptic dysfunction) or harm to property (not counting frivolous IP disputes) be objectively incorrect?

Is the merely potentially offensive a gateway to the offensive in the moment?

Is the taboo on tapping your fingers on the table "at" someone enough of a reason for an autistic person to not naturally gravitate towards that as a stim, even if the gesture to them is a semi-involuntary calming gesture, not one that indicates impatience?

 

[Neodanthril]

Yes, the mere presence of indians in my proximity is an assault on all that is good in the world

 

[Cancer ♥]

Yes.

 

[XL xQgg?QcQCaTYDMjqoDnYpG]

Objectivity in norm claims requires more than social discomfort, if requires ontological conflict. And rudeness is not by itself a structure in which two volitional beings cannot simultaneously act without interference over the same rivalrous good. Accordingly, it is not objective, it is at best a moral or cultural aesthetic

Can any behavior without physical harm (not counting gradual hearing damage or possible synaptic dysfunction) or harm to property (not counting frivolous IP disputes) be objectively incorrect?

The only objective form of "incorrect" is conflict-generating. If there is no conflict, there is no ethical breach.

Is the taboo on tapping your fingers on the table "at" someone enough of a reason for an autistic person to not naturally gravitate towards that as a stim, even if the gesture to them is a semi-involuntary calming gesture, not one that indicates impatience?

A person stimming on a table is not committing an objective offense unless it violates someone's property right (like tapping on their table or their body without consent). Even then, the issue at hand is not "rudeness", but a boundary violation. So emotions are irrelevant in ethics.

"Offensiveness" is not a grounded word, and thus it can't bear normative weight. Someone might take offense at a stim, just like someone might take offense at you existing within their line of sight. That does not make your action an ethical violation. All it does is reveal the limits of using offense as a moral metric

tl;dr rudeness is a social fiction with no ontological anchor. If you want objectivity, follow conflict

 

[Otterly]

Yes I think it can. A lot of what we consider rude social behaviour has a root in the kind of tragedy of the commons stuff. You have limited resources and those who take more than their share or who damage common ground or resource are rude. Those who degrade the environment for others are rude.

 

[Not 6 Foot]

No. All you need to do is look at people's personal convictions and touchy spots to see that what one person considers rude isn't the same as what another does. Cultural influence also changes what is or isn't rude (SEE: Japanese people slurping noodles loudly vs it being considered impolite in most of the US).

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Yes. There's some subjectivity but flipping you off is pretty universally rude.

 

[Not 6 Foot]

Yes. There's some subjectivity but flipping you off is pretty universally rude.

Sure is a good thing hand gestures are also cultural and can range from rude to completely innocuous based on where you are in the world (SEE: holding up two fingers, back of the hand toward the other person).

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Sure is a good thing hand gestures are also cultural and can range from rude to completely innocuous based on where you are in the world (SEE: holding up two fingers, back of the hand toward the other person).

Where does flipping someone off not mean what we think it does?

 

[Not 6 Foot]

Where does flipping someone off not mean what we think it does?

Depending on the context? Russia and Japan, upon quick search. It's not a universal gesture.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Depending on the context? Russia and Japan, upon quick search. It's not a universal gesture.

I'm pretty sure if I flipped off a Russian he'd know what I meant. In Japan they definitely know, their media has people flipping each other off to be rude all the time.

 

[The Last Stand]

Is the taboo on tapping your fingers on the table "at" someone enough of a reason for an autistic person to not naturally gravitate towards that as a stim, even if the gesture to them is a semi-involuntary calming gesture, not one that indicates impatience?

With that, context would matter. If the stimming is rooted on habit, not malice, then no. Somebody may take it differently with how that gesture is generally perceived .

 

[Sneed's Feed n Seed]

Can any behavior without physical harm (not counting gradual hearing damage or possible synaptic dysfunction) or harm to property (not counting frivolous IP disputes) be objectively incorrect?

Yes. Go to Atlanta and observe niggertry. If that doesn’t convince you, and you have health insurance, try St. Louis and Chicago.

 

[Not 6 Foot]

I'm pretty sure if I flipped off a Russian he'd know what I meant. In Japan they definitely know, their media has people flipping each other off to be rude all the time.

I said depending on the context. There are contexts, within both countries, where it isn't considered rude. You know, it's okay to be wrong, my man.

 

[Chinese Democrat]

No. You are always consciously at fault for how you react to anything at any given time.
Get jumped from behind? Should've looked where you were going, dumbass. Definitely shouldn'tve decided to faint like a little fuckin' pussy.
Die? Should've just said "No, God!" and ran back outta the tunnel of light. If you die, you're a cowardly bitch. Just like if you're offended by the word "troon."