🐱 Is liberalism the true conservatism?

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It's not just the bedraggled band of "never Trump" Republican refugees on MSNBC and elsewhere who are endlessly vexed. For four long years, the whole mainstream media sphere has been laced with talk about the need for a healthy GOP, a vibrant two-party system, and a return to true conservative values. Critiques of that system, like Lee Drutman's "Breaking the Two-Party Doom Loop," only get a fraction of the attention devoted to these themes. But even more absent is any discussion of what a responsible conservatism might actually look like.

Conservatives who long for the days of George W. Bush or Ronald Reagan overlook one obvious fact: Their legacies helped get us into the current fix they — and we — find ourselves in. Both those presidents nourished the destructive, irrationalist forces that have come to dominate with Donald Trump, and both implemented ill-conceived policies that only made life worse: increasing inequality, eroding social stability and intensifying the ethos of cutthroat competition.

I'm not out to damn conservatism unreservedly, just because I'm quite blunt about its disastrous political failures. But conservative politics are not the whole story. Conservative temperament and character traits are part of human nature, as the field of political psychology has firmly established. And they can be positive qualities, as Dannagal Young argues in "Irony and Outrage," for example.

"Conservatives are just more skilled at efficient quick responses to threats," Young told me when I interviewed her. "These are people who will run into the fire. These are people who are so necessary for our society to survive and to thrive." But the outrage industry "exploits what are really to be thought of as gifts," mobilizing them on hate, which is "dangerous for democratic health."

By failing to distinguish between conservative temperament and conservative ideology — between conservative masses and conservative elites — we miss perhaps the most important aspect of the story of how we ended up with Trump: American conservatism has been profoundly irresponsible. It has repeatedly failed to deliver on its promises — its trickle-down promises to promote prosperity, its culture war promises to vanquish evil at home and turn back time, its foreign policy promises to vanquish evil abroad — and it never takes responsibility for those failures. And the people most hurt by this unending history of failure are ordinary Americans with conservative temperaments, whose faith in their leaders has repeatedly been betrayed.

The end result is obvious, even if many conservatives still insist Donald Trump isn't their creation. They made their own media alternative universe because they couldn't stand the real world, and out he came. They demonized the word "liberal" for 50 years, and only now are some of them wailing over the existential threat to liberal democracy. I want to trust the never-Trump conservatives. I want to see a healthy conservatism in place of a deeply malignant one, a conservatism that does not betray the ordinary people whose instincts and desires it appeals to. But the odds are very much against them in the short run.

A new poll identifying five "tribes" within Republican voters finds that only 15% qualify as "never Trump" Republicans. His job approval among the four other tribes is 97% to 100% — even among "post-Trump" Republicans who think it's time for new leadership. What's more, the two tribes most supportive of Trump also have the largest proportion who self-identify as "very conservative," while the "never Trump" tribe has the least. So conservatives who yearn to look toward the future need to think long and hard about what a healthy conservatism could look like, and then start building it.

Fortunately, I've got some ideas for them — ideas I first laid out almost 15 years ago, when Republicans lost control of the House in the wake of multiple Bush administration failures: the Iraq war, Hurricane Katrina, the botched attempt to privatize Social Security, and more. Bush was not a "true conservative," some began to argue as his popularity declined. He was a "globalist," some added. But what was "true" conservatism, then? My answer was simple: It was liberalism. If you want the ends that conservatives claim to desire, you get them through liberal means:

  • You preserve social order by including the so-called "undesirables." You grant them the dignity they deserve, simply for being human, and they proceed to act with dignity. (You think gay people are hedonistic narcissists, destructive to social order? Then recognize their right to marry, and stop treating them like second-class citizens.) This was 2006, remember!
  • You preserve religion's place as a polestar in people's lives precisely by keeping it separate from the vagaries of politics, where change is the only constant, and compromise a guiding principle. Render unto God that which is God, and unto Caesar that which is Caesar's.
  • You preserve the integrity of local communities and their institutions by engaging the power of state and national government to deal with problems that are too large for them to handle, that would utterly break them if they were left to stand alone.
  • You maintain historical continuity, and respect for the nation's traditions by rethinking both in the light of new experience, and the experience of new Americans. Self-reinvention is our most hallowed tradition.
  • You command respect for authority by exercising authority with respect for the people, who are the only legitimate source of authority.
  • You preserve the highest levels of personal morality, first, by granting people the freedom to discover its logic for themselves, and embrace it as their own freely chosen commitment, and second, by insisting on the public morality of a just and equitable social order.
I could add more to that list today, to bring it more fully up to date. But the core theme remains the same: You deliver the most legitimate desiderata of conservatism by embracing the practices, policies and ideals of liberalism. You want law enforcement respected? Then instead of defending racist police practices — up to and including wanton murder — reform law enforcement to act respectfully toward all people. Embrace the accountability that activists have long been calling for.

My argument here is not exactly that such reforms are the answer — I incline much closer to the abolitionist perspective. I'm simply highlighting what a sensible conservative approach ought to look like, if it were serious about achieving what conservatives themselves claim to care about.

Consider what we have instead: knee-jerk defense of police violence under the banner that "Blue Lives Matter," paired with defense of an insurrection that left three police dead and hundreds wounded. That's where the majority of self-described "very conservative" Republicans are today. Incoherence is a feature, not a bug, of actually existing conservatism.

So, is a coherent conservatism possible? One whose means can plausibly achieve its desired ends, even if those means be liberal? It should be. After all, conservatives have often claimed to be pragmatic and non-ideological, in contrast to liberals and those farther left. Not all conservatives have claimed this, of course, but enough have to make it clearly part of their tradition. And besides, when they have drawn ideological lines in the past, they've invariably redrawn them when they've proven untenable. The cases of slavery, segregation and the civic exclusion of women are the most obvious American examples that come to mind.

What stands in the way, for American conservatives, is their long history of demonizing liberals. How can they embrace what they have repeatedly demonized in a manner so central to defining themselves? Demonization and scapegoating have long been key to their successful struggles for political power, and tie into the basic nature of conservatism — the "efficient quick responses to threats" that Young spoke of. But they do so by misleading, just as logical fallacies mislead us by mimicking valid heuristics. (The post hoc "rooster" fallacy, for example, mimics the valid heuristic that causes precede effects.)

This misleading reaches an apotheosis in QAnon conspiracy theory. The "Infowars GOP" tribe, which has the strongest believers in QAnon theories (68% of that group subscribe to four or more such theories), also has the highest percentage who self-describe as "very conservative" (at 72%, compared to a GOP average of 49%). What is the essence of QAnon? That liberals are led by a hidden cabal of Satan-worshipping, cannibal pedophiles running a global child sex-trafficking ring, and that Donald Trump will someday defeat them in one fell swoop.

This is what happens when "efficient quick responses to threats" go haywire, just as they once did in Salem Village. Those responses should be "thought of as gifts," as Young put it, but they have been intentionally misdirected for years, if not decades. Can conservatism ever rid itself of this legacy? Color me skeptical, to say the least. It's not a question of individual attitudes — the "conspiracist dimension" that Joe Uscinski has found to be fairly uniform across the political spectrum — it's a question of conservative culture and the elites who shape it: the Murdochs, Mercers, Bradleys and Kochs who fund it, and the figures they chose to lift up.

It could be argued that liberals demonize these conservative leaders as well, but the people who are most intimately hurt by them are the conservative masses whose basic instincts and aspirations they so ruthlessly betray. The ends they hold out — preserving social order, local integrity, historical continuity, respect for authority, high levels of personal morality and religion's place as a polestar in people's lives — cannot be met by the means they insist on. In each instance, as I pointed out above, the exact opposite of what they insist on is required. "Liberal" means alone can deliver these desired conservative ends.

The good news for conservatives is that they don't actually have to become liberals to enjoy these liberal fruits, at least not in terms of temperament. But they do have to stop mindlessly and reflexively battling every aspect of liberal thought and ideology, and they have to be willing to claim those fruits as their own. There will still be — and will always be — temperamental differences between liberals and conservatives. There are temperamental gifts on both sides, as well as in between. But there's a common liberal cultural heritage that makes it pragmatically possible for both sides to achieve what's most important to them. Conservatives need to claim that heritage and own it for themselves.

Maybe I'm wrong and there's some basis on which a non-pathological form of conservatism could be built. If conservatives think they can do a better job of delivering the most legitimate desiderata of conservatism, then it's on them to explain how, and to show that it can actually work. That's what a responsible conservatism would do, if indeed it could exist. To do that, it will have to embrace what it has always demonized — or to put this in terms conservatives can relate to, it will have to man up, and put away childish things.
 
Your advice is very interesting, said the deer to the wolf
 
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TLDR "the only acceptable conservativism is the kind where you quietly complain and give the illusion of opposing the Right Side of History™️ before capitulating. Remember to apologize, grovel, and shut up when we call you racist".
What stands in the way, for American conservatives, is their long history of demonizing liberals
If you don't wanna be demonized, then stop acting like demons.
it will have to man up, and put away childish things.
Says the bugman in perpetual arrested development who collects Funko Pops and watches MCU religiously.
 
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Well, I guess, on a purely semantical level, the article got a point - if it is about "conserving" the current order, that would indeed be middle of the road establishment liberalism, encapsulated in the USA by the Democratic Party mainstream.

Odd that the article never considers that people might, just might have their own ideas about how their society should look like that is not bound to the current status quo, and only get called "conservative" as a descriptive label.
 
Who the hell listens to advice from people morally motivated to triumph over them? I did want to treat it for a bit, though, so...

Fortunately, I've got some ideas for them — ideas I first laid out almost 15 years ago, when Republicans lost control of the House in the wake of multiple Bush administration failures: the Iraq war, Hurricane Katrina, the botched attempt to privatize Social Security, and more. Bush was not a "true conservative," some began to argue as his popularity declined. He was a "globalist," some added. But what was "true" conservatism, then? My answer was simple: It was liberalism. If you want the ends that conservatives claim to desire, you get them through liberal means:

  • You preserve social order by including the so-called "undesirables." You grant them the dignity they deserve, simply for being human, and they proceed to act with dignity. (You think gay people are hedonistic narcissists, destructive to social order? Then recognize their right to marry, and stop treating them like second-class citizens.) This was 2006, remember!
Gay people can do whatever ceremony they desire in order to reflect the relationship status they want for themselves. Anybody can do that, in fact, and there's an argument to be made about the state's error in even being involved in marriages. However, as it stands, the principal reason why the state recognizes marriage is because it's invested in the formation of family units, which necessarily involve children; the issuing of marriage benefits is for that very purpose. Whereas it's possible a heterosexual couple may be unwilling or unable to have children, they are in theory able to have them, and it's naturally and reasonably expected. Homosexual couples cannot naturally have children in the same way, and aren't even expected to. Make no mistake, the crux of the push for gay marriage-- aside from the changing of social temperament-- was marriage benefits. The cops were not rolling up to gay wedding ceremonies to put the kibosh on them.

Furthermore, the way that gay marriage was "won" was ridiculous-- rather than it being brought about by the will of the people in given states (i.e. by their legislatures or by proposition votes), it was largely brought about by judicial fiat until the ultimate judicial fiat of Obergefell, despite the fact that the state recognition of marriage has always been an individual state affair.

You preserve religion's place as a polestar in people's lives precisely by keeping it separate from the vagaries of politics, where change is the only constant, and compromise a guiding principle. Render unto God that which is God, and unto Caesar that which is Caesar's.
I suspect that this is a fancy way of saying "keep your religion away from your politics", except that this is usually impossible when you're advocating either for a moral position (as your morals will be influenced by your religious beliefs) or you're advocating strictly for the people you represent (who may be the ones advocating for a moral position, and are thus influenced indelibly by their religious beliefs).

"Render unto Caesar's that which is Caesar's" employed in this way is peak
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, by the way. Christians threatened the sense of the pax Romana that the Roman Empire had because they wouldn't offer adoration to their idols-- they were in fact "foisting" their religious beliefs onto the Empire in that way, in a way the Empire thought was an existential danger to them. That's why there were several waves of persecution against them.

You maintain historical continuity, and respect for the nation's traditions by rethinking both in the light of new experience, and the experience of new Americans. Self-reinvention is our most hallowed tradition.
They probably already do that, but in a way you don't like.

You preserve the highest levels of personal morality, first, by granting people the freedom to discover its logic for themselves, and embrace it as their own freely chosen commitment, and second, by insisting on the public morality of a just and equitable social order.
In contrast, not enough people actually do this-- liberal, conservative, or otherwise. You actually couldn't function as a society without instituting hardline general morality for your community. Why else is everyone being shouted at to accept that it's perfectly fine that someone procures genital mutilation because they're under the delusion that they were born in the wrong body?

Secondly, nobody wants equity-- they just want theirs. If you want equity, you would find ways to abolish the concept of competition at all, but that's dynamically impossible.

You deliver the most legitimate desiderata of conservatism by embracing the practices, policies and ideals of liberalism.
What are the "most legitimate desiderata" of conservatism?

The approach of this article is slightly interesting, because it... ostensibly attempts to do what I like in a values argument: demonstrate how one's argument in fact also satisfies the values of their interlocutor.

The problem is that it's not an effortful article. It's riddled in assumptions that prevent it from getting close to that goal. Consider this statement:

You want law enforcement respected? Then instead of defending racist police practices — up to and including wanton murder — reform law enforcement to act respectfully toward all people.
The conservative is less wont to believe that the police typically engages in racist police practices in the first place, and they'd be partly justified if only because law enforcement isn't centrally controlled in the slightest, so you can't just lay that on the entirety of the concept without demonstrating it first.

This kind of thoughtlessness is at the very core of the argument: there's no legitimate treatment of the actual desire of the conservative, or their reasoning. The first bullet point all but presumes that the state's recognition of marriage is a human right, as though the conservative would be wont to agree with that premise... as though many are not Christians who would accept that their church would not marry certain types of people, even heterosexuals (for example, if they're divorcees or they're divorcees and the church didn't recognize that divorce).
 
Conservatives who long for the days of George W. Bush
lol

Isn't going to war in the middle east, torturing and murdering civilians, censoring and witchburning anything that goes against a zealous code of "morality", and always being in favor of giant mega corporations the liberal platform for the last decade? That's why all the neocons like Romney voted Biden.
 
>Salon
Opinion discarded.
Anyone who takes anything from this rag deserves to be mocked.
 
remember that time George dodged shoes like a boss?
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we don't get fun shit like this anymore, I wish to return to these values pls.
 
The fact that someone got that close to a sitting president with the intent to attack them legit blows my mind still.
I mean, prior to then, who'da thunk shoes could be used as projectile weapons?
 
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