Is it time to stop men congregating in groups?

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It’s an issue that’s been deemed awful and exhausting and a new idea has been suggested that could really help, however men will not love it.

In the 12-hour window from 6pm to 6am on a State of Origin game night, women and children in NSW are almost 40 per cent more likely to become the victims of domestic violence, according to research from the Foundation for Alcohol Abuse and Education.

In this ‘sporting nation’ of ours, where four out of every five Australians consider sport to be one of the most significant parts of our culture, what happens in the athletic arena is often a microcosm of wider Australian society.

And in Australian society, it is unsafe to be a woman.

This weekend, just a week after AFL clubs donned black armbands and held a minute of silence before their games in Round 8 to take a collective stand against violence against women, players from the Donvale women’s footy team ran onto the field to play the second half of a game at Knox Football and Netball Club.

Here, they discovered just how true that statement is.

Male players from the Knox team allegedly stuck out their feet to try and trip the female players as they entered the field, yelling out ‘ratings’ based on their appearance.

As 3AW’s Jacqui Felgate revealed on air Tuesday morning, “The players were rightly upset but they played out the rest of the game.”

“How utterly awful and how utterly exhausting that we’re still at the point where women can’t play sport without being objectified.”

Knox released a statement on Monday with a letter sent by Knox Football and Netball Club president Paul Blair.

“We have extended our deepest apologies to the Donvale Football club, and will continue to work closely with them and the EFNL to keep them informed on the outcome and actions we will take as a result of our investigation.

“The safety of all players is paramount and we do not tolerate anti-social behaviour or behaviour that is disrespectful to women.”

The club on Thursday stood down the entire team while investigations continue.

But it’s not just the sporting field where groups of men pose a threat to women.

The outrage comes hot on the heels of a scandal out of elite private school Yarra Valley Grammar, where news broke last week that male students had circulated a list ranking female students from “wifey” to “unrapeable”.

It is but the latest in a long line of instances of disturbing behaviour from private schoolboys around the country.

In September 2022, a group of students from Sydney’s Knox Grammar were exposed for sharing sexist, racist, pedophilic and anti-semitic content via a group chat on Discord, much of which was “too graphic” for the Daily Telegraph, which broke the story, to print.

The following month, students from Melbourne all-boys Catholic school, St Bernard’s College, were accused of performing the Hitler salute in class, etching swastikas into whiteboards, making a young female teacher feel concerned about her personal safety and simulating anal sex while on a tram.

A 2021 study from Monash University found female teachers in elite private boys’ schools were particularly vulnerable to sexual harassment because of the “status and unique constructs” of these kind of settings.

All of which begs the question: if we have so many examples of the threat posed to women’s safety by allowing large groups of males to congregate together, should we be considering limiting their ability to do so?

In 2014, the controversial Sydney lockout laws were introduced in response to three coward punch incidents across the preceding two years in which three young men were punched in three unprovoked attacks, all tragically dying from their injuries.

In 2012, “consorting’ laws were introduced to tackle what Police claimed was a growing threat by outlaw bikie gangs, making it an offence for members to congregate and “intimidate” in certain places or situations.

Perhaps, given the clear and consistent evidence that aggressive and anti-social behaviour is heightened when men congregate in groups, authorities should be looking at ways to curtail this?

Of course it won’t address the sickening number of men who murder women at a rate of more than one per week in this country, or the alarming rate of sexual assaults.

But perhaps it will prevent some of the normalised misogyny so rampant in some of these groups.

Perhaps, without being exposed to the dehumanising of women and other minorities that seems to occur in some groups of men and teenage boys, the portion of those groups who do go on to commit more extreme acts of violence might avoid being radicalised in the first place.

Obviously, the impact on men would be severe.

No footy training. No group chats. No rowdy table of mates at pub trivia.

But if, as a man, the idea of your civil liberties being impinged upon in such a profound way rankles, ask yourself: what civil liberties do you believe women should have when we walk out into the world?

Because whether we’re doing the shopping on an innocuous Saturday afternoon, walking to our car after dark, playing a game of weekend footy or simply doing our jobs, the truth is inescapable: we’re at an unacceptably heightened risk of violence from men.

We duck our heads, we cross the street, we hold our keys in our fists, we smile back (because being ‘nice’ mistakenly makes us feel a bit safer), we don’t make eye-contact, we don’t walk alone, we pretend to be on the phone, we pretend to have a boyfriend, we pretend to laugh, we pretend we’re not scared.

But we are, and it impinges upon our civil liberties every single day. If we’re lucky, that’s all it does, but as we well know, many of us don’t get away so lightly.

And until men in groups start raising their voices against this abuse, rather than staying silent or worse, crying #notallmen, I’m hard-pressed to think of a reason why this lack of personal freedom should be our burden to carry instead of theirs.
 
If you're serious about trying to curtail my civil rights the way you're suggesting? None. Try that shit in the real world and see how fast you get your ass thrown back in the kitchen when you push for that kind of crazy. With extreme predjudice.
Only disagreeing on where women need to put in their place and it ain't the kitchen. Cause they will try to poison you with something or another. Failing that, them having access to sharp instruments and blunt objects is another very bad idea.
 
> be Australia
> ban men from congregating
> all social groups of men decide to publically "come out as trans"
> business as usual
> from a legal perspective, there are no "men" congregating
> Violence resumes at a record pace
> Checkmate, womens
 
The world has become markedly worse since women's suffrage. Shall we revoke women's voting rights and bar them from positions of leadership?
 
Beveridge's Law of headlines applies here.
The answer to a question in a headline is always no.
 
Male players from the Knox team allegedly stuck out their feet to try and trip the female players as they entered the field, yelling out ‘ratings’ based on their appearance.
This is very poor and unsportsmanlike behaviour. In times past, the women would have stopped, slapped the guy around the chops and his mates would have laughed at him until he felt humiliated. His dad, coach or similar figure, would have bollocked him for being an idiot. You dont trip players up as they pass, that’s asking for injury. If they’d done that to a male team there would be uproar.
You also don’t yell out rankings. If you want to engage in that kind of boorish stuff, it’s accepted - out of earshot of the girls involved. You do that in the change after, or the coach or the pub. Having said that, words are not the same as being tripped and it’s not helpful to pretend that being catcalled in a situation like that is violence. It’s annoying behaviour, but it’s not violence.

The outrage comes hot on the heels of a scandal out of elite private school Yarra Valley Grammar, where news broke last week that male students had circulated a list ranking female students from “wifey” to “unrapeable”.
This is also dumb teen behaviour but not violence, and I will bet you the girls rank the boys too, just as crudely.
The problem as I see it is that nobody behaves well anymore and nobody has any risk of being shamed for behaviour. We need to make shame great again.
 
Right, if you look at the numbers, more violence is caused by men than women. Congratulations, you got us. Now apply the same thing to racial groups and see what you get. Bit quiet now, aren't ya? Why is ok to profile people based on gender, but not based on race?
 
Because no one would ever get drunk and beat their girlfriend if a sports game wasn't involved.
 
Those conservative/liberal anglosphere feminists that hate transpeople hate men more than transpeople.

People should be wary of holding them up as based.
 
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