Is Chris "getting better"?

[Marvin]

I would think that once Barb dies, he would have more money. Yes, he would lose whatever she contributes from her pension and Social Security benefits, but it also seems that she scoops into his for Goodwill stuff that Chris has no use for. Plus Chris may get a boost to his if she dies like he did when Bob died.

It's hard to tell. I'm just estimating based on what he'd pay for rent, given what he gets with his tugboat. He could definitely pay rent and the basic necessities. It's just that, once his bills are paid, he wouldn't have much money.

I can't see Chris keeping any part time job. Low paying jobs are not easy, and often require a lot of interpersonal skills which Chris will never have due to his autism. When people talk about Chris working part time, they sound like their only knowledge of part time employment is the Burger World scenes from Beavis and Butthead, a cartoon made before the economy tanked.

I'm familiar with what fast food jobs entail. Chris would be able to do them, easily, if he needed to.

You're confusing Chris not wanting to work, with him having an inability to work.

 

[Holdek]

It's hard to tell. I'm just estimating based on what he'd pay for rent, given what he gets with his tugboat. He could definitely pay rent and the basic necessities. It's just that, once his bills are paid, he wouldn't have much money.

Yeah, and it kind of depends too on what the cost differential between property taxes, insurance premiums, and the mortgage for 14 B., and the rent of a hypothetical apartment, is.

 

[milkshark]

I'm familiar with what fast food jobs entail. Chris would be able to do them, easily, if he needed to.

You're confusing Chris not wanting to work, with him having an inability to work.

You're giving him way too much credit. Chris lacks discipline, it's demonstrated across all facets of his life. Everything he does is lazy and corners are cut. If he were to be scheduled a close shift followed by an open shift he'd lose his mind over it. He'd fuck up his biological clock and sleep through a shift. What happens if a kid wears a Sonic Boom shirt to Mickey D's and Chris sees it while he's working there?

I get what you're saying, he's mentally and physically capable of performing tasks, but he would need a babysitter at all times to keep tabs on him which is not realistic at all. Retail operations run with the fewest possible workers to maximize profits, Chris would hurt the business and be replaced by someone more desperate and harder working. He can't cut it in the American economy, regardless of what cartoons and TV from over 20 years ago would have you think.

 

[Marvin]

You're giving him way too much credit. Chris lacks discipline, it's demonstrated across all facets of his life. Everything he does is lazy and corners are cut. If he were to be scheduled a close shift followed by an open shift he'd lose his mind over it. He'd fuck up his biological clock and sleep through a shift.

I don't believe he would sleep through the shift.

What happens if a kid wears a Sonic Boom shirt to Mickey D's and Chris sees it while he's working there?

Nothing would happen.

I get what you're saying, he's mentally and physically capable of performing tasks, but he would need a babysitter at all times to keep tabs on him which is not realistic at all. Retail operations run with the fewest possible workers to maximize profits, Chris would hurt the business and be replaced by someone more desperate and harder working. He can't cut it in the American economy, regardless of what cartoons and TV from over 20 years ago would have you think.

Heh, again, I'm familiar with what fast food jobs entail. I'm not talking about tv cliches. If Chris really needed to keep a job, he would do it pretty easily.

They wouldn't need to babysit Chris because fast food jobs are very rote. You might be on grill, or on the front line or on sandwiches. Whatever your position, once you learn it, you pretty much stand there all day doing the same thing.

I think you're taking "cwcki Chris" as the only Chris. There was this very same discussion on here about whether or not Chris would pay his electric bill, which was silly. People read stories about Chris being bad with money, or being lazy and cutting corners, and they think that that's inherently his persona, instead of something that he's merely permitted to do. I've seen Chris dig down and meet his obligations, even when he doesn't want to, like a normal person does. He just hates doing it and, when given the choice, he'll bail out.

He's been given the option to bail out for everything his whole life. But if it's a choice between working or not being able to afford video games/afford eating something other than ramen every day, working would definitely look like a decent option to him. If he wanted to keep a job, Chris is absolutely capable of doing the work. Chris is pretty annoying, but employing him wouldn't be that huge of a charity case.

 

[Holdek]

I don't believe he would sleep through the shift.

Nothing would happen.

Heh, again, I'm familiar with what fast food jobs entail. I'm not talking about tv cliches. If Chris really needed to keep a job, he would do it pretty easily.

They wouldn't need to babysit Chris because fast food jobs are very rote. You might be on grill, or on the front line or on sandwiches. Whatever your position, once you learn it, you pretty much stand there all day doing the same thing.

I think you're taking "cwcki Chris" as the only Chris. There was this very same discussion on here about whether or not Chris would pay his electric bill, which was silly. People read stories about Chris being bad with money, or being lazy and cutting corners, and they think that that's inherently his persona, instead of something that he's merely permitted to do. I've seen Chris dig down and meet his obligations, even when he doesn't want to, like a normal person does. He just hates doing it and, when given the choice, he'll bail out.

He's been given the option to bail out for everything his whole life. But if it's a choice between working or not being able to afford video games/afford eating something other than ramen every day, working would definitely look like a decent option to him. If he wanted to keep a job, Chris is absolutely capable of doing the work. Chris is pretty annoying, but employing him wouldn't be that huge of a charity case.

The main thing that gives me pause is that the only time he worked fast food he got fired within two weeks months.

But, that doesn't necessarily mean he will get fired again, especially if he's part time and they can just have him come in and do a single task. And if he did get fired, he still has his to keep him out of the dumpster until he got another job. Which is really the main justification for giving him a .

 

[AnOminous]

I don't believe he would sleep through the shift.

Nothing would happen.

So you think he's improved from when he was fired for frightening children the only time he ever had a job, at Wendy's?

Why would he have improved since then since he has no subsequent work experience?

The main thing that gives me pause is that the only time he worked fast food he got fired within two weeks.

I think it was two months. That shows ability to work at least long enough not to get fired the first day.

However, something is always going to set him off and he's going to do something socially unacceptable. Maybe not immediately, but eventually. And then he's going to be fired.

If he actually had to maintain a job because the got taken away for some reason, his work history would be a series of jobs he got fired from, unless he found some job specifically tailored for tards where his antisocial behavior would be tolerated to a greater degree.

 

[Marvin]

So you think he's improved from when he was fired for frightening children the only time he ever had a job, at Wendy's?

Why would he have improved since then since he has no subsequent work experience?

He didn't want to keep that job. If Chris wanted to keep a job, he could do it. It would be tedious and unpleasant for him, but he could definitely do it.

 

[AnOminous]

He didn't want to keep that job. If Chris wanted to keep a job, he could do it. It would be tedious and unpleasant for him, but he could definitely do it.

But he didn't get fired for not doing his job, although that may be why they were looking for an excuse for it. He got fired for acting creepy, when it doesn't appear he was deliberately acting creepy.

Unless you kept him away from the public, he'd be doing that kind of thing whenever interacting with the public.

Another implication of this is Chris isn't really disabled, and is, in fact, defrauding Social Security.

I don't believe that to be the case.

 

[Marvin]

But he didn't get fired for not doing his job, although that may be why they were looking for an excuse for it. He got fired for acting creepy, when it doesn't appear he was deliberately acting creepy.

Unless you kept him away from the public, he'd be doing that kind of thing whenever interacting with the public.

He doesn't really do that stuff that much. And he'd be more careful if he needed to keep a job.

People like to make Chris out to seem like he never learns. It's more that he really doesn't want to learn, or he thinks he's learned everything worth learning already. But he still, regularly, runs into situations where he is forced to compromise.

For example, when weens bid up his original medallions to hundreds of dollars, Chris jumped on that. He thought he had a gold mine and he tried (fruitlessly) to cash out on those huge prices. But no matter how much he wanted it, he couldn't bitch people into paying money they didn't want to. He hit a brick wall and was forced to lower his prices. And he does this pretty often. He hates having to compromise, but he is definitely capable of it.

If Chris got in trouble at work for doing something dumb, he'd be super pissy about it. He'd passionately feel he was in the right, like he always does. But like I said above, if it's the choice between yielding to the manajerk boss or living off of ramen for six months, he'd go with the former.

Another implication of this is Chris isn't really disabled, and is, in fact, defrauding Social Security.

I don't believe that to be the case.

Oh, don't get me wrong. I don't think Chris is a competent adult who can support himself. He does need the tugboat. I wouldn't bet the farm that Chris could maintain a job, like if it was essential to him not being homeless. But if it's only for some extra spending bucks each month, it wouldn't be too hard for him. And I think that the tugboat would only cover rent and essentials. He'd be looking for a source of extra cash pretty quickly.

 

[AnOminous]

But if it's only for some extra spending bucks each month, it wouldn't be too hard for him. And I think that the tugboat would only cover rent and essentials. He'd be looking for a source of extra cash pretty quickly.

I'd probably go that far. And I do think it would have to be a special kind of job. Even Chris trying his hardest to act normal is not going to come across as normal. At least not for long.

 

[Gensdupays]

Chris is still really smug about his abilities, right? Like, I always interpreted that the biggest obstacle he still has is "Why would I need to do that? I'm already perfect? You're an idiot for not thinking about stuff like I do, my intelligence is superior." Maybe the idea that the truly incompetent are so far gone that can't see their own incompetent nature applies.

But yeah I think the whole problem is that Chris now just thinks that he knows best about everything and is an authority on subjects that interest him. It's why I don't really know if a minimum wage job would be an option for him. Sure there would probably be no tard rage, but I really can't imagine him taking orders well. Especially from people he doesn't respect/see as his 'equal.'

 

[Lipitor]

He doesn't really do that stuff that much. And he'd be more careful if he needed to keep a job.

People like to make Chris out to seem like he never learns. It's more that he really doesn't want to learn, or he thinks he's learned everything worth learning already. But he still, regularly, runs into situations where he is forced to compromise.

For example, when cool guys bid up his original medallions to hundreds of dollars, Chris jumped on that. He thought he had a gold mine and he tried (fruitlessly) to cash out on those huge prices. But no matter how much he wanted it, he couldn't bitch people into paying money they didn't want to. He hit a brick wall and was forced to lower his prices. And he does this pretty often. He hates having to compromise, but he is definitely capable of it.

If Chris got in trouble at work for doing something dumb, he'd be super pissy about it. He'd passionately feel he was in the right, like he always does. But like I said above, if it's the choice between yielding to the manajerk boss or living off of ramen for six months, he'd go with the former.

Oh, don't get me wrong. I don't think Chris is a competent adult who can support himself. He does need the tugboat. I wouldn't bet the farm that Chris could maintain a job, like if it was essential to him not being homeless. But if it's only for some extra spending bucks each month, it wouldn't be too hard for him. And I think that the tugboat would only cover rent and essentials. He'd be looking for a source of extra cash pretty quickly.

I'd probably go that far. And I do think it would have to be a special kind of job. Even Chris trying his hardest to act normal is not going to come across as normal. At least not for long.

Funny thing is, I think if you asked Christian, he'd tell you he already has a job. He considers himself a working artist. When Barb croaks, he's definitely gonna milk the art thing for all its worth before he gets desperate enough to work at McDonalds. And to be quite honest he'll probably make a shit ton of money once Barb dies, because of everyone's troll guilt. He's already making enough money to supplement his income and buy him toys. He could buy that vagina thing himself, but probably knew one of his "trolls" would buy it for him if he asks. Chris somehow has a job right now, and that's merchandising Sonichu bullshit. It would take a lot for Christian to be willing to go out and get a job, even more than simply Barb dying. Christian doesn't want a job for multiple reasons: fear of leaving his comfort zone, laziness, maturity and a whole other slew of reasons. He knows he can just as easily slop together Sonichu merchandise and sell it. Now that he knows he has that revenue stream, he's never gonna work a regular job.

 

[WilhelmIIofPrussia]

I'd say yes. At least now he's trying to be productive.
He is also socialising with some success (eg. that photo shoot, burlesque dancing).
As others have noted, he's far more tolerant towards minorities now.
Those 3 improvements represent important factors: sociability, productivity (or at least effort) and respect for others.

He still has a long way to go. I don't like the whole lesbian thing, particularly the dress and the hairstyle, I'd rather he go back to having cropped hair and "Mount and Dew Me" and clown shirts, but that's just my subjective opinion.

 

[Marvin]

Funny thing is, I think if you asked Christian, he'd tell you he already has a job. He considers himself a working artist. When Barb croaks, he's definitely gonna milk the art thing for all its worth before he gets desperate enough to work at McDonalds. And to be quite honest he'll probably make a shit ton of money once Barb dies, because of everyone's troll guilt. He's already making enough money to supplement his income and buy him toys. He could buy that vagina thing himself, but probably knew one of his "trolls" would buy it for him if he asks. Chris somehow has a job right now, and that's merchandising Sonichu bullshit. It would take a lot for Christian to be willing to go out and get a job, even more than simply Barb dying. Christian doesn't want a job for multiple reasons: fear of leaving his comfort zone, laziness, maturity and a whole other slew of reasons. He knows he can just as easily slop together Sonichu merchandise and sell it. Now that he knows he has that revenue stream, he's never gonna work a regular job.

Chris making bank off of Barb's death probably depends on how soon it happens. If it doesn't happen for the next four years, I can see the response from us being very muted.

You're right that Chris is very spoiled on his Sonichu sales. But that probably makes things a lot worse. Chris is very much attached to his extravagant lifestyle. Barb will be a huge loss to Chris. But it's going to be so much more worse when he can't even drown his sorrows in legos or video games or mcdonalds every other day. It's going to get to a point where Chris pays his rent and his bills, and then has to survive off of $200 for food and stuff for the rest of the month. That's going to be miserable to Chris. He'll be pretty desperate.

Heh, actually, now that I think about it, one of the bigger things that might keep Chris from getting a job is that he might not even conceive of the idea. Like, unless someone suggests it to him, it'd probably take a long time (of him being miserable) to think about "huh, what do normal people do to get money? those jerks just must have bigger tugboats! "

 

[Holdek]

People like to make Chris out to seem like he never learns. It's more that he really doesn't want to learn, or he thinks he's learned everything worth learning already. But he still, regularly, runs into situations where he is forced to compromise.

For example, when cool guys bid up his original medallions to hundreds of dollars, Chris jumped on that. He thought he had a gold mine and he tried (fruitlessly) to cash out on those huge prices. But no matter how much he wanted it, he couldn't bitch people into paying money they didn't want to. He hit a brick wall and was forced to lower his prices. And he does this pretty often. He hates having to compromise, but he is definitely capable of it.

If Chris got in trouble at work for doing something dumb, he'd be super pissy about it. He'd passionately feel he was in the right, like he always does. But like I said above, if it's the choice between yielding to the manajerk boss or living off of ramen for six months, he'd go with the former.

I think the problem is that Chris doesn't know where the brick wall is until it hits him in the face. With the eBay stuff, that was something he had few options on. At the workplace there's a lot of ways for him to inadvertently piss off his boss. Also, he may have a hard time after getting chewed out figuring out what is expected instead, unless it is explained to him by someone slowly, step-by-step.

Spoiler

 

[AnOminous]

Heh, actually, now that I think about it, one of the bigger things that might keep Chris from getting a job is that he might not even conceive of the idea. Like, unless someone suggests it to him, it'd probably take a long time (of him being miserable) to think about "huh, what do normal people do to get money? those jerks just must have bigger tugboats! "

The best thing that could happen for Chris is that something forces him to declare bankruptcy and shed all that bullshit consumer debt that is parasitically sucking off a big chunk of his disposable income. Plus anyone who loans money to Chris pretty much deserves to lose it (not that they have not probably been paid multiple times already).

That debt is basically uncollectable anyway, or would be if he took the proper steps to protect his money from being levied upon by establishing a segregated bank account for it.

 

[Lipitor]

Heh, actually, now that I think about it, one of the bigger things that might keep Chris from getting a job is that he might not even conceive of the idea. Like, unless someone suggests it to him, it'd probably take a long time (of him being miserable) to think about "huh, what do normal people do to get money? those jerks just must have bigger tugboats! "

Yea I think you're right. It always seemed like Christian thought it was normal for him to not have a job. Like he gets a tugboat, because he's not suppose to have to work, not because it would be difficult for him to compete in the job market. I would have to bet that following Barb's death we're gonna see him begging on facebook for donations far sooner than we'll see him trying to get a job. He's gonna get increasingly pissy when he needs more than we give him (he already does this when his products don't sell like he thinks). He'll only consider a job after he's milked the last drop from online sales. Selling stuff on ebay/etsy is the path of least resistance for Chris, and he rarely strays from that path.

 

[IV 445]

I think the problem is that Chris doesn't know where the brick wall is until it hits him in the face. With the eBay stuff, that was something he had few options on. At the workplace there's a lot of ways for him to inadvertently piss off his boss. Also, he may have a hard time after getting chewed out figuring out what is expected instead, unless it is explained to him by someone slowly, step-by-step.

Spoiler

This episode would break records if it were filmed and aired.

 

[asperhes]

Heh, actually, now that I think about it, one of the bigger things that might keep Chris from getting a job is that he might not even conceive of the idea. Like, unless someone suggests it to him, it'd probably take a long time (of him being miserable) to think about "huh, what do normal people do to get money? those jerks just must have bigger tugboats! "

Well, God knows he's had enough trolls tell him to get a job. Kacey in particular. He's got his prepared line of "I'm not able to get a job because they do Google searches and the trolls have ruined my reputation. Do the math."

 

[anusaurus]

Chris making bank off of Barb's death probably depends on how soon it happens. "

Given how much she was pushing the insurance company for more than they deserved, I'd say any nest egg has long since been spent. That and court costs from the Snyder trial.
Apparently they don't have enough money to even take care of Barb's teeth.
Factor in title changes for any properties and assets, funeral fees, and paying off any debts she may have accrued, It's pretty safe Chris isn't seeing one red cent from Barb after she kicks the bucket.