Invest in Ammunition.

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

Why do we let our threads get destroyed by some retard that just repeats the same points and adds nothing to the conversation?

Because you keep replying to him, you silly goose.

 

[ScurvyRat]

What if you have a firearm that chews brass like a PTR 91?

consider re-investing in a better firearm

 

[Freshly Baked Socks]

What if you have a firearm that chews brass like a PTR 91?

Then you'll have fewer people tryna steal your used brass. One less thing to worry about.

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

consider re-investing in a better firearm

What's wrong with PTRs?

Then you'll have fewer people tryna steal your used brass. One less thing to worry about.

I suppose that's a good point.

 

[ScurvyRat]

What's wrong with PTRs?

I have it on good authority they chew brass, which could be detrimental to reloading.
PSA sells AR's on the cheap too, worth it to pick one up for funsies, regardless.

 

[Wodanaz]

gangs are going to come and steal all your shit at gun point. I'll be part of the gang and laughing at you

I always knew you were an ugly person, but you really are just evil. Many such cases with leftoids.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

I always knew you were an ugly person, but you really are just evil. Many such cases with leftoids.

lol calm down

 

[HodgePodgeRogerDodger]

That's retarded. If society crashes to that point (spoiler: it wont) eventually you'll run out of lead/bullets/etc or you'll get overran by a gang of roaming hillbillies

Also lead poisoning is a pretty big deal so be careful with lead

>Assuming I don’t have a working fume hood and a stockpile of nitrile gloves
>assuming I don’t have a community

Ishygddt

 

[POWER IN MISERY]

investing in ammo is gay but stacking it up is cool. i go through true shot ammo since i coughed up for the yearly free shipping. it paid for itself after like three or four orders. tulammozone isn't bad either.

 

[Wodanaz]

lol calm down

>lol I was only pretending
you cannot take back a stroke of the pen, or a stroke of the sword

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

>lol I was only pretending
you cannot take back a stroke of the pen, or a stroke of the sword

lol calm down

>Assuming I don’t have a working fume hood and a stockpile of nitrile gloves
>assuming I don’t have a community

Ishygddt

what do you do when you run out of lead, gloves or your fume hood breaks? What do you do when you inevitably break a bone when your retarded ass injures yourself? It's besides the point, though, because this shit isn't gonna happen where you need ammo like you preppers always say. You tards have been saying it for decades and it hasn't happened. You just got grifted by retards like Jim Bakker who sell prepper shit

 

[GamerGateSurvivor]

You just got grifted by retards like Jim Bakker who sell prepper shit

Apocalypse cheese is only ridiculous until shit hits the fan. Only then do you realize you can't eat money during a crisis.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Apocalypse cheese is only ridiculous until shit hits the fan. Only then do you realize you can't eat money during a crisis.

I bet it tastes disgusting

 

[GamerGateSurvivor]

I bet it tastes disgusting

It comes in a five gallon bucket. I dip whatever I'm eating into it like a giant nacho.

 

[junkrunner]

From a pure investment standpoint, ammunition is really not that good of a play. I have some experience dealing with the import of ammunition in larger scales, and there are actually quite a lot of factors involved with the buying and selling of ammunition.

First of all, it is best to understand that ammunition is essentially a loosely tracked commodity. While there are not official markets or futures for the implement, ammunition prices can be pseudo tracked through websites like ammoseek or wikiarms. These websites aggregate current prices on a variety of websites, and are essentially your live price tracker. In stressful times, the price of ammunition is going to shoot up. America as a country seems to hedge against political instability by buying ammunition en masse, and this is why we saw some of the insane price spikes on the market that we saw during Covid.

Second of all, you need to understand that ammunition actually has an expiration date. Contrary to popular believe it is not a durable good. Most factories producing to military specification can usually give a lifespan of 10-12 years with standard double base powder loads. I am aware of some powders produced by companies such as General Dynamics that can last significantly longer, and this lifespan can be compounded with techniques such as nitrogen purging. This is why certain surplus milspec ammunition is good to go decades after its expected lifespan, while others can prove so unreliable that they damage a gun (for example, turkish surplus 8mm mauser).

Third of all, ammunition is a hazard class good. If you are shipping in the size of container loads, this often doesn't matter to much as the increased price you will pay is often less than one cent per round, and will not take up an egregious percentage of cost of goods sold. You can further mitigate this by negotiating out a direct contract with a freight company rather than going through a freight forwarder. Companies like Maersk are more than willing to talk to the little guys, but you should expect their contracts to ask for you to guarantee shipping at least 3-5 containers via their lines per year.

Now what does this all mean to someone who is not looking to be a full on arms trader? Ammunition factories are often simply end assemblers. They buy their primers, casings, powder, and perpetrators from other manufacturers and run large loading presses to properly pack them. Sometimes they might run their own brass case extruders or even produce their own primers, but it takes a truly large factory to actually make all of the base components from scratch (think factories like Lake City or Novosibirsk LVE). That means you can save a lot of money simply running your own reloading presses. Companies like Dillon Precision and Mark 7 make reloading presses that can be near fully automated, enabling you to mass produce ammunition for the cost of around 2.5k (expect to pay around 4.5k for complete automation). That might sound like a lot of money, but if you and a five friends wanted to buy a top of the like Mark 10 with a motor kit and full sensor package, each individual in the group would only pay about 980 dollars. With effective procurement techniques, you could easily make a cost per round far lower than what is sold in stores.

 

[HodgePodgeRogerDodger]

what do you do when you run out of lead, gloves or your fume hood breaks? What do you do when you inevitably break a bone when your retarded ass injures yourself? It's besides the point, though, because this shit isn't gonna happen where you need ammo like you preppers always say. You tards have been saying it for decades and it hasn't happened. You just got grifted by retards like Jim Bakker who sell prepper shit

You are a big negative Nancy. Do you not have irl friends? Half the fun of prepping is finding locals who do their own “x”.

 

[Quindoll]

This is the finance board. So you have to kinda expect people pointing out that the action to buy ammunition is at best a low chance - high return bet. But this translates automatically into the argument that you should not put much of your net worth into it. Maybe 1-2 %, that's it. But this would include all major shit his the fan purchases.

I know. It sounds dumb and arrogant. But try to be rational about it. For example there is a good base level which I would not include at all into a shit its the fan "fund". Things like a up to date first aid box, a few weeks of food and water supply and a crank radio.

And then there is stuff I would include. All forms of excessive storage keeping, backup generators or the underground bunker in the basement. It also appears to be one of those areas where if you put in even a little bit of effort and you are immediately in the upper 20 % of people when it comes to prepardness.

 

[ScurvyRat]

bunch of text I ain't gonna read

Listen, all I'm saying is that I bought 1000 rounds of TUL ammo from the russians in 2019 and if I hadn't shot it all it would have tripled in price.

 

[Junkers 87]

I'll share a story. Bear in mind, this is anecdotal and I do not know the finer details.

A friend of mines used to work for a former Navy guy who thought he could make a quick buck by flipping ammo, back when the shortages were worse than they are now. It turned out that the perceived demand did meet our sailor's expectations. He did not sell a single round and everyone he had in mind as a plan B, whom he could offload his stock onto at break-even was not interested as they did not want to pay his asking price, or they had already stockpiled their own stuff. I was told this story during this past summer and according to my friend at the time, his former boss still had every round stacked in a corner somewhere. The ammo in question is green-tipped 5.56, which was specifically chosen because 'fudds love military grade stuff'. He might not have thought very highly of his potential customers. Or he just sucks (in general, but probably cocks too).

Personally, I think stockpiling ammunition is all well and good, but you should also be investing in yourself. Train with it using a FIFO system; first in - first out. The oldest batch gets used first and every round expended at the range should be replaced to maintain a constant number in your stockpile. If shooting paper or steel plates at the range gets too expensive, then it's probably time to start studying small unit tactics while you give your stockpile a break.

 

[t28ai875]

Invest in ammo?
Nahhhh, lets talk manufacture.
Now we're talking.