🗑️ Trashfire Internet Bloodsports Aftermath - The neverending Mexican drama of wannabe e-celebs and their detractors

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Boroqcin said:
Of course, I would never post anything potentially damaging to this site without having a moderator at least verify I didn’t go about gathering the information all wrong. One of the very first threads I took part in on this site was the Neil Venegas thread. This was a man who was Halal’d partially for his refusal to listen to moderation when they informed him that his dox of Jonathon Ross was obtained poorly. His insistence on its accuracy and general Sperg fits eventually led to people digging into him. I’d obviously prefer not to end up in the same situation.

As far as the misinformation in this community, believe me, I know.
Just so you can get an idea of how far this misinformation goes, just this week we discovered that Robby Pilkington is not TonkaSaws birth name. I won’t go into detail in this post as I haven't verified it with a moderator just yet but I’ll say that we’ve recently come into possession of an Ancestory.com report of his mother that shows his entire family tree. There is a very good reason why Tonka no longer goes by his birth name.
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So did this IBS thing completely die? I still want to see what's behind the Tonka mystery door..
 
Ok I haven't been updating the thread too much, but yesterday @theralph and Veeh went against each other on the Kumite:

On a side note: I dunno which direction this thread will take since the IBS site is gone, there still political tard fights happening on streams but anything else looks like a bunch of separate personal unsolved crudges that really takes too much time to explain and barely gives any "lulz".
 
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neural said:
So did this IBS thing completely die? I still want to see what's behind the Tonka mystery door..
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Grand Lunar said:
@Boroqcin Hey, are you still making a Tonka thread? Just wondering, since it's been a while.
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I've DM'd the both of you.
I've been extremely busy over the last couple weeks and haven't had much of a chance to continue my writing. I've included what I have in a DM to both of you but if anyone else in this thread would like a copy just DM me. I've included no dox information and no information that could easily be wiped due to all the back ups I have but I would still prefer not to make it 100% public yet.
Due to how busy I'm going to be over the next few weeks it could take some time for me to get back to work so if anyone competent would like to expedite this thread by taking over please DM for that as well.
 
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After multiple"Im the master " show offs, @zum (now known as GodSpeed) tries to get media vehicles to make defamatory articles about Sargon and Veeh:
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""""Results"""":
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeand...ergroup-supremacist-a-team-infowars-breitbart
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...edia-activists-linked-to-alt-right-into-party
https://www.thedailybeast.com/far-right-youtube-stars-plan-takeover-of-ukip
http://kippercentral.com/2018/06/28/opinion-sargon-of-akkad-is-an-existential-threat-to-ukip/
https://www.rt.com/uk/430131-ukip-alt-right-new-members/
https://www.rt.com/uk/430935-ukip-alt-right-sargon/
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/...bers-join-far-right-european-political-party/
http://www.newsweek.com/alt-right-social-media-activists-welcomed-member-britain-ukip-994905
https://socialistworker.co.uk/art/46787/Is+everything+going+to+be+alt+right+for+racist+Ukip
https://www.thecanary.co/uk/2018/06...ome-truly-foul-characters-from-the-far-right/
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...tson-mark-meechan-carl-benjamin-a8418116.html
 
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Sparky Lurker said:
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After multiple"Im the master " show offs, @zum (now known as GodSpeed) tries to get media vehicles to make defamatory articles about Sargon and Veeh:
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""""Results"""":
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeand...ergroup-supremacist-a-team-infowars-breitbart
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...edia-activists-linked-to-alt-right-into-party
https://www.thedailybeast.com/far-right-youtube-stars-plan-takeover-of-ukip
http://kippercentral.com/2018/06/28/opinion-sargon-of-akkad-is-an-existential-threat-to-ukip/
https://www.rt.com/uk/430131-ukip-alt-right-new-members/
https://www.rt.com/uk/430935-ukip-alt-right-sargon/
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/...bers-join-far-right-european-political-party/
http://www.newsweek.com/alt-right-social-media-activists-welcomed-member-britain-ukip-994905
https://socialistworker.co.uk/art/46787/Is+everything+going+to+be+alt+right+for+racist+Ukip
https://www.thecanary.co/uk/2018/06...ome-truly-foul-characters-from-the-far-right/
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...tson-mark-meechan-carl-benjamin-a8418116.html
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$18,000? Does anyone have a fact check for that, because I find that hard to believe. Even if we assume an average donation of $10, that'd still take 1800 superchats, which for a 4 hour stream would be 5 per minute. I know that the IBS crew got a ton of superchats compared to most streamers, but I didn't think that it was that ridiculous at any point.
 
Grand Lunar said:
$18,000? Does anyone have a fact check for that, because I find that hard to believe. Even if we assume an average donation of $10, that'd still take 1800 superchats, which for a 4 hour stream would be 5 per minute. I know that the IBS crew got a ton of superchats compared to most streamers, but I didn't think that it was that ridiculous at any point.
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From what I remember Andy saying, he got over $10,000 in superchats, so the number was much lower. That's still a shit ton of money for sitting at a desk and mispronouncing "Locke"
 
soy_king said:
From what I remember Andy saying, he got over $10,000 in superchats, so the number was much lower. That's still a shit ton of money for sitting at a desk and mispronouncing "Locke"
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Even that is bs. I realize I probably spent way too much time on this, but since Andy and JF had the Superchat list up at the end of the stream while they read them, I went through that part at 2x speed (pausing when necessary) and did my best to keep a rough count. Even equivocating most currencies to US, counting pounds as double US dollars (I just checked and realized that they're nowhere near that), frequently rounding up to the nearest ten, and undoubtedly counting many twice due to it being impossible to really keep track this way, I ended up with a rough count of $3100. While not the most fullproof counting method, at best they were in the $3000-$3500 range, $4000 at the absolute most if I somehow managed to miss a bunch that they skipped through. I did want to look in to this at some point since I've heard them claim to have made five figures in one night before, and thought it sounded impossible. Clearly an exaggeration to inflate their egos.
 
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Grand Lunar said:
Even that is bs. I realize I probably spent way too much time on this, but since Andy and JF had the Superchat list up at the end of the stream while they read them, I went through that part at 2x speed (pausing when necessary) and did my best to keep a rough count. Even equivocating most currencies to US, counting pounds as double US dollars (I just checked and realized that they're nowhere near that), frequently rounding up to the nearest ten, and undoubtedly counting many twice due to it being impossible to really keep track this way, I ended up with a rough count of $3100. While not the most fullproof counting method, at best they were in the $3000-$3500 range, $4000 at the absolute most if I somehow managed to miss a bunch that they skipped through. I did want to look in to this at some point since I've heard them claim to have made five figures in one night before, and thought it sounded impossible. Clearly an exaggeration to inflate their egos.
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So in other words, Warski and JF inflate the amount of dollars they receive almost as much as the CPC inflates the figures for Chinese economic growth? Glad to know someone's spending the time to call them out.
 
Adamska said:
Greed, :autism: , and even more :autism: .
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I want to be sure if I understood everything: There was a group of speds that went out of their way to a-log a lolcow but instead of destroying him they eventually collapsed under their own :autism:. The lolcow in question not only outlived them but stubbornly clings to life in a metaphorical sense powered by nothing but greed and his own brand of :autism:.

If my interpretation of the events is correct then I'd say that this whole scenario is more of a rehash of DarksydePhil than the Force Awakens was of A New Hope.
 
Fougaro said:
I want to be sure if I understood everything: There was a group of speds that went out of their way to a-log a lolcow but instead of destroying him they eventually collapsed under their own :autism:. The lolcow in question not only outlived them but stubbornly clings to life in a metaphorical sense powered by nothing but greed and his own brand of :autism:.

If my interpretation of the events is correct then I'd say that this whole scenario is more of a rehash of DarksydePhil than the Force Awakens was of A New Hope.
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Yep, that pretty much sums it up. The only thing I'd add are that two A-logs who arrived late on the scene have picked up the mantle and are doing their damndest to carry on the tradition.
 
Fougaro said:
Wait, I thought superhacker @zum and his buddies destroyed the Kumite. What's going on?
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Fougaro buddy, let's play a little game here.
I'm gonna show you 3 numbers and you tell me which one is bigger. Sound like a good time?
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Sorry to spoil the fun but the answer is the first image.
That really big number you see there is an example of TonkaSaws viewership from around late December to mid April. He was making an average of $300-$700 in superchats every single day at this time.
The second image is an example of the viewership from The Kumite when it was hosted on Andy Warskis channel. The lack of superchats at the time was the excuse that Tonka used for him being kicked off the show. Apparently he was pulling in less than $200 a day to be split between all 3 hosts.
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The third image posted is Tonkas current viewership. From what I've seen superchats are few and far between maybe adding up to $15-$60 a show depending on what paypigs show up to hear him sigh into the microphone.

Knowing all this I'm genuinely confused by your post. Failure continuing to be a friend-hopping snake is not a TonkaSaw redemption arc. There is no Phoenix rising from the ashes here. Tonka is in this situation because of the bridges he's burnt along the way and the people who helped provoke these reactions and spread word of them. You seem easily confused Fougaro so let me give you a quick rundown.

  • Tonka jumpstarted his career pandering to the Alt-Right in the Kraut doxing saga and becoming buddy-buddy with JFG. He burned that bridge when he backstabbed JFG and convinced Andy to remove JFG from his show, a position that he later wormed his way into.

  • He was originally seen as some virtuous anti-doxer who fought against Kraut & Tea and built an audience on this image. He later burned this bridge when it was revealed that he attempted to purchase doxes of people who were harassing him.
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  • He attempted to build up the image of being a professional wrestler and undefeated MMA superstar and people respected him for it. He later burned that bridge with his endless kvetching about his own backyard wrestling matches being meme'd and the discovery that he is most likely lying about his MMA history.
When I say that Tonka was faking his MMA career I'm not referring to the garbage evidence Zoom put forward. This interaction happened on the Tommy.C show just a couple days after the Metokur stream. Tommy.C brought on a recruiter for Pride FC (A Japanese MMA promotion that was later acquired by UFC) that had attempted to recruit TonkaSaw and had successfully recruited other indy professional wrestlers that Tonka had worked with in the past.
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Tommy C: So that would be Tonkas defense, that their would be no record? Is that correct?

Guest: Well... Sort of, and this is where it's a little nuanced. I think the guys that he [Zoom] talked to were your typical backroom, beer belly kinda guy who wants to seem like he's more important than he really is and that's why he said "We don't keep Amateur MMA records". Tennessee and Alabama don't keep any MMA records at all because they are not sanctioned through their Athletic Commission for MMA.

Tommy C: So to make this short, there's no way to prove that Tonka didn't have a 3/0 record or that he did? Is that correct?

Guest: The way the guy [Zoom] did it, that is correct. However, we have a fighting promotion we are heavily involved with and we have the ability to access the USADA records. Even in unsanctioned states you have to be tested for drugs and bloodborne diseases and things like that before you are allowed to perform.

Tommy C: And he's not on it according to you? Now are you sure you have the right name because that's what Tonka would say next? Are you sure you have the right name?

Guest: Right.. Okay, I can't say with 100% certainty.

Tommy C: I have his name because I saw it. He was being doxed in the server last night and on stream. I have his name.

Guest: I cannot say with 100% certainty Tommy, but let me just say this. Over one month ago this guy who is an independent wrestler who's wrestled with him, and I've looked on the internet and these guys do have matches together, Robi Vio and him. He said the name people are doxing him with. So it does match up so I'm 99% certain that we searched the correct guy and there is absolutely no USADA record of him ever competing. That doesn't means he didn't fight in a basement somewhere in a fight club but that is not MMA, that's dirty shithole fighting.
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  • TonkaSaw had originally built up a following from Andy Warski fans due to having him on as a regular guest and the shilling that they had done for each other. Tonka burned this bridge when he got kicked off the show and attempted to say that Failure and Andy had made a deal with Zoom
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  • And probably worst of all, Tonka build his entire career around beating down on low hanging fruit. He took cows that many of us are familiar with and made them squirm for our assessment. He burned that bridge when he became a cow himself.
So Fougaro do you wanna explain to me how having Mr.VIVA LA RAZA back is going to repair these bridges? Where is this massive BTFO to Zoom, /cow/ and the "Anime Mafia" coming from? What monumental ascent are we about to witness and how does our Cuban friend have a key role in that?
I feel like one of us has lost the plot here and I'm pretty sure it's you.

Fougaro said:
I want to be sure if I understood everything: There was a group of speds that went out of their way to a-log a lolcow but instead of destroying him they eventually collapsed under their own :autism:.
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Ah now I'm sure you've lost the plot.
Could you please point out to me where the collapse of this group is? You didn't provide any evidence of it but you must have something to say this so confidently.
As a current administrator of this group I would love to know how and why they collapsed in a Fred Fuchs style situation without me taking notice.
 
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Boroqcin said:
Ah now I'm sure you've lost the plot.
Could you please point out to me where the collapse of this group is? You didn't provide any evidence of it but you must have something to say this so confidently.
As a current administrator of this group I would love to know how and why they collapsed in a Fred Fuchs style situation without me taking notice.
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I'm certain @Fougaro can explain himself, but I believe he was referring to Sargon being the lolcow and the group in question being IBS.
 
Boroqcin said:
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I don't think anyone in their right mind would at the time of me writing this post consider Tonka's current situation comparable to a phoenix rising from the ashes. A more accurate assessment in my opinion would be a group of dedicated autists having ultimately failed to fully kill a dying and irrelevant channel in spite of their time and effort. Hence the comparison to Phil's SoK saga.

As for the Sons of Kojima 2.0, I think it is reasonable for an impartial third party observer to assume such an implosion occurred if the ghostbin that was posted a few pages ago, various posts on /cow/ and the lack of visible trolling of Tonka's channel are anything to go by. I mean if you want to be like the SoK you can only end up like the SoK.
Now that you mention it however, if you really are the admin of these speds you are of course more than cordially invited to correct the record and clear up any misconceptions your's truly and maybe some other Kiwis might have regarding your Discord group.

soy_king said:
I'm certain @Fougaro can explain himself, but I believe he was referring to Sargon being the lolcow and the group in question being IBS.
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In that context I was actually referring to the Kumite/Zoom situation. But I suppose that my statement can also be applicable to the relationship between Sargon and the IBS crew, Andy in particular. I will say this: Failing to fully stomp out some random LARPing internet tough guy through byzantine ops is possibly a bit less embarrassing than ending up being outlived, outlasted, outtrolled and outsmarted by a guy who is less successful as both a gamedev and a politician than Brianna fucking Wu.
 
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Fougaro said:
a group of dedicated autists having ultimately failed to fully kill a dying and irrelevant channel in spite of their time and effort.
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I Suppose this is where your core misunderstanding lies. The Anime Mafia server was never established to "Destroy" the Kumite. It was simply a place where people from /cow/ could come to discuss and share their findings in a forum that was slightly more organized than a 400 post rotating sticky that would purge everything every 4-6 hours. Of course there are going to be malicious people who will do A-log like things, this is a 100% public discord that was shilled on /cow/ but that doesn't mean the entire group should be held accountable for people like Zoom who these internet arguments have clearly become a vendetta for. Most people, myself included, were only there to have a few laughs. I really don't get where you pull the whole "A group of autists failing to kill the Kumite" from, sure there was a lot of damage done to the Kumite when these truths came out but very few of us were acting maliciously.
I guess what I'm saying is that if you consider a group of people openly doxing a cow and attempting to uncover and catalog embarrassing details to be a group of A-logs who failed to kill their target then I guess the same can be said about every single person on this website who participated in a thread that didn't end in the cow going into hiding or dying.
Another reason I don't like your assessment is that there is always one core rule to an A-log; the inability to realize when a cow is dry. The Anime Mafia server is no longer focused on TonkaSaw or IBS. Following Tonka being kicked off of Andy Warskis channel we all agreed that we had won and would shift focus to something else. We had a really nice community going on and everyone wanted to stay together but the IBS stuff wasn't fun anymore. Seeing that the Northdale Vanilla WoW server was launching soon we all decided to play that as a group and established a guild there. That is what our discord is dedicated to now. There is no IBS talk and most likely never will be again.

The Ghostbin drama I can understand. Tewi is a melodramatic faggot and the other people involved were equally so. I suppose from the outside looking in it may resemble an implosion but the aftermath of that left us with only 4 people being kicked. These 4 people were attempting to dox members of the discord and there is a strong reason to suspect that they were feeding information to TonkaSaw. I don't hate to see them go but I do hate that Tewi had to throw a tantrum about it. The Goblino Discord Crew thread that was created on /cow/ a couple months back was started by the group that was removed from the discord and only contains about 5-6 unique IP addresses contributing to the thread. BUT this was all Tewis drama, not group drama as far as I'm concerned. He sorted it out in his own autistic way not my way.
 
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