Interest Free Banking - NO JUWEZ ALLUWED

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Sooty Soot

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I hate usury, I hate interest, I hate banks, but a modern economy can't function without the last one. This thread is mainly more history-oriented as a place to discuss historical and present-day interest-free banking methods and banks, but I thought it'd fit more here since it's mainly finance oriented. Off the top of my head, the only banks that are technically usury free in the modern day are Islamic ones, but I do know that in mid-30's Germany there was a model for an interest free banking system.
 
You pretty much cannot run a modern economy without interest-based banking.

So called "interest free" islamic banking just charges interest under a different name.
The "interest free" german banking were special loans aimed at starting couples; and parts of the debt got written off with each child. They didn't charge interest because the birth of more germans was more important to the nazis than turning a profit. Industry and commercial loans, government bonds and MEFO bills were interest bearing.

Modern credit law pretty much tightens the contracts so much that it is impossible to have any real usury.
 
So called "interest free" islamic banking just charges interest under a different name.
Yeah, there is actually a bank here that offers Islamic mortgages and I looked into it and it turned out to be even more expensive. I assume only devout Muslims do it so it's probably a premium product anyway.

Like, house costs 300k, they buy it and you pay off 700k in installments over the term. It's interest free they just bake all the risk and profit into the principal instead.
 
So called "interest free" islamic banking just charges interest under a different name
Bingo, they just write it in as a fixed fee. And if you follow your first loan with a second one, you end up with the same runaway compounding they're supposed to avoid.

It's the counterpart to that game where you take a hard money / payday loan (say $250 for 2 weeks, $30 fee), and extrapolate it out to a 300+% annual APR. Yes, if you continuously roll that balance for an entire year it adds up, but that's insane and there are other loans designed for that.

Or: what's the minimum you could charge someone in the payday loan demographic, for an unsecured wad of cash for two weeks?
 
German GLS Bank has a loan model for charitable organisations that relies on large amounts of private individuals providing small amounts of guarantees for the organisation they want to support in getting a loan. These loans are given by the bank at cost, which fundamentally necessitates small amounts of interest. Without interest the model simply doesn't work.

But interest free banking also means forgoing gaining interest on your bank deposits, so most muslims, like the whore-mongering pork eating alcoholics they are, just ignore their religous rules where they're inconvenient.
 
modern interest free banking is avoiding debt at all costs and storing cash under your mattress. the jews can still get it there, but they need to dig tunnels first, which gives you time to find a new mattress as needed. they will also kill your credit as punishment for not participating in their predatory system.
 
Or: what's the minimum you could charge someone in the payday loan demographic, for an unsecured wad of cash for two weeks?
Chargeoff rate for payday loans is >50%. I guess nobody would visit Amscot is they were like yeah we'll give you 1k but we need 2k next week. But that's the reality of where you'd start breaking even.

I assume OP is in high school or something.
 
the jews can still get it there, but they need to dig tunnels first, which gives you time to find a new mattress as needed.
I assume this is a joke but you know they can just print new money and devalue your existing cash? In the case of hyperinflation, which is when they go crazy and just make the money printer go brr, they could devalue it by >99%.
 
Become your own Banker man. We've been hyper-inflating for years, the Rothschild debt note is literally unbacked, so it is hasbro-board-game play money at this point, it's no different. Jews use the printers to keep their power via the Cantillon Effect, and the Rothschild/Rockefeller/JP Morgan FED privatizing their gains and socializing their losses. Don't play into a rigged game, you will lose. Convert Rothschild debt notes into tangible appreciating assets outside of your gay local bank. Cut out the middle(((mann))). If your bank gives you 1% returns, and inflation is in the double digits, you are losing bigly, which is the entire reason the system was set up in 1913.

The FED ponzi must go.
 
banking without usury? though chance because the bank will break if they try to do that or the competition will fuck you over if you try it, hell, even kill you if you get it working fine.
 
LMFAO ✡️

your and my definition of usury is probably completely different
Is usury to you charging any fee of any kind for the borrowing of someone else's money? If moneylenders didn't charge a fee they would eventually run out because there's always some deadbeat who isn't going to pay. So pick your poison: Interest fees or Debtors prisons/enslavement
 
Modern credit law pretty much tightens the contracts so much that it is impossible to have any real usury.
You heard it here first folks. Over 20% compounding interest on a credit card? Not "real" usury.
 
tIs usury to you charging any fee of any kind for the borrowing of someone else's money? If moneylenders didn't charge a fee they would eventually run out because there's always some deadbeat who isn't going to pay. So pick your poison: Interest fees or Debtors prisons/enslavement
There is no difference. The extra money has to come from somewhere else as you don't possess it. The borrower either has to get the interest payment from other participants in the ponzi, which puts those further into the negative, which means they now have to borrow, or they have to borrow more to pay back the previous loan, which is in essence being enslaved by debt.
Now think where the extra money for the interest payments can come from - if there is a fixed amount of money in circulation, and every participant in the pyramid has taken out some form of loan (which is a reasonable approximation of the current economic situation, most people are in debt, if not directly, then the state takes out loans in order to pay their salaries or social transfers), the next round of debt repayments is impossible without printing new money and giving it to the participants in order for them to use it to pay back the debt. In real life, not everyone gets a cut of that new money, only the people "at the trough", or in other words, with connections with a direct line to the people in power (the top of the pyramid) that are printing and handing out the new money, only those people will be able to repay their debt, those that don't have access to the newly printed money will default on the debt, or have to go into even more debt to repay the old debt. So over a long enough period of time, only the people with access to newly printed money survive, and even get to buy up all the assets that the other people that defaulted had to sell to repay their debts. So the concentration of assets and power will *always*, without exception, go to the people at the top of the pyramid, the people that have the power to print the money and to hand it out to themselves and to their friends/cronies. There doesn't have to be any other factors in play, it's simple mechanics of how the pyramid and debt with interest works in the pyramid.
People think that they will be able to make more money in the future, and they'll be able to repay the interest with that "extra" money. But they don't think where the extra money will come from. It can either come from other people that have lost that money, and have thus lost the ability to repay their own loans, or the money has to have been newly printed, aka fresh new money, aka inflation. There is no way for a pyramid based on loans aka debt with interest to survive without continuous inflation aka money printing. It's impossible. That's why the people at the top of the pyramid are so afraid of deflation and why they love inflation. Inflation is a direct measure of the speed at which the money is flowing from the bottom to the top of the pyramid.
But they don't teach this in schools. I haven't even seen it being discussed on the internet. Maybe someone has wrote about it in a obscure book or something, something that only economists read, which I'm not. But if you've lived long enough (I'm in my 30s) and lived through an economic cycle or two and looked at what's going on, you can connect the dots.
 
You heard it here first folks. Over 20% compounding interest on a credit card? Not "real" usury.
Every time you engage in credit, the creditor is obligated to inform you of the total cost of the credit. You know exactly how much you will pay back. This can be much yes but you also shouldn't recklessly take on debt.

You are not deceived into "cheap" money.
 
Every time you engage in credit, the creditor is obligated to inform you of the total cost of the credit. You know exactly how much you will pay back. This can be much yes but you also shouldn't recklessly take on debt.

You are not deceived into "cheap" money.
Yes, technically they are informed, and you could technically say that it's their own fault if they take out a loan with an insane interest.
But what is a "sane" and "normal" amount of interest?
Over a long enough time, ANY interest WILL lead to debt slavery.
How?
The interest on the principal has to come from somewhere.
It has to come from newly printed money.
The debtor cannot print the money, doing so would be illegal.
Only the people at the top of the pyramid, the bankers and their underlings, can print the money.
They then "inject" that money into the "economy" via various channels, but they are all via newly created debt aka new loans.
Either the state takes out new loans in order to continue paying the paychecks of public servants, politicians, social transfers and subsidized healthcare (and all other state-subsidized industries).
Or private individuals take on those new loans, and it goes into their hands.
This "new" money then goes into circulation in the "economy" and over some amount of transactions, enters the hands of the "old" debtors, that already have loans to repay, and that money goes to repay the interest on the loan.
But now the person or organization that has taken on that "new" loan, that has injected the newly printed money into circulation, has to repay his loan. And where does he get the money to repay the interest? You guessed it, yet another new round of money printing and "injecting" - via even more loans.
Now, the person taking on the new loan to repay the interest doesn't have to be someone else, it can be the same person that has taken on the old loan, but hasn't managed to accumulate enough money via economic activity for the repayment.
So I don't know how you consider having to always take on new loans to repay the old ones is "normal", for me it's predatory and WILL lead to debt slavery. Might take 10 years, might take 50 years. But the person will not be able to survive without taking on larger and larger loans to repay the old interest. Compounding interest. The absolute percentage value of the interest might not seem high - only 2% to 5%, that's not a lot, right? But compound the interest over time and you get exponential growth of debt.
Why does everything in this fake pyramid scheme have to grow exponentially, or it doesn't survive? Compounding interest is why.
Now you might argue - hey, you don't have to take out loans at all if you don't like them that much. Technically you're correct.
But you'll also be dead.
See, you have to participate in this fake pyramid scheme "economy" that everyone else is, because you have to "make" money to pay for food, shelter and taxes. So some way or another, you have to have access to that newly printed money that has entered the economy via the latest round of loans. That is, if you want to maintain your *wealth*, in real measures (in tangible things, not in fake funny money) at the same level as it has been before. Because everything is growing exponentially, as compounding interest drives inflation and the cost of everything has to rise exponentially too.
A person that doesn't have access to newly printed money will be at an economic disadvantage to a person that has.
Say you have 2 businesses that compete in selling a product. The consumer looks at the price vs value of a product and buys the cheapest one that is the best value. One person is operating his business like you'd think a business has to be ran, by trying to make even or make a small amount of profit. The other person has taken out a loan and now has lots of "free" excess money to spend. This "greased" business can lower the price of its products way below market value, as it can spend that "free" money and not have to earn that money via selling products at market rate. This business will de facto win over the first business that didn't get this "free" money. The first business will go out of business as it will lose all its customers to the 2nd business.
The same goes for private individuals. The person that takes out loans will be able to afford a better apartment, bigger and better house, land, car, clothes, food, have more free time to spend, etc. His success in society will be reflected in his higher apparent social status that he displays, and he'll have more reproductive success - the women will like him more and he'll have more children. (it doesn't matter that he bought all these material things with loaned money that he didn't earn, the people don't know where the money came from). Now this person might go bankrupt if he can't afford to repay the loan, and he'll lose all these material things. But if he plays it right and he manages to repay the loans long enough to ensure reproductive success (has children) he will out-reproduce the person that hasn't taken out the loan. He only has to stay on top of paying back the loan, and when he doesn't have enough to repay, take out a new loan to continue servicing the old loan and stay on the same social status level as before.
Same goes when a state takes out these loans. The state typically uses the new money to finance various programs that give out money to citizens, either in exchange for work (creating new public jobs) or for free as handouts. A state that gives out more money than a competitor state will attract more people to it, they'll migrate after the "better" economic opportunities, and leave the state that pays them less. (or taxes them more)
Over time, these people, businesses, states can "buy out" or "conquer" the competitors that didn't take out the loans. As they'll have much more apparent success and have much more money to spend, they can buy out all the tangible assets from the people that have less money (have taken on less debt.)
But you might say - what if they give me money for free, then I didn't take on any debt at all but still have money to spend?
True, but as no new money was created, this money is still the "old" money from the previous round of money printing. Thus, the person that has taken out that loan to get that money (and has now given it away for free) is now that much further in the hole in repaying his loan. Eventually he'll have to take on a new loan, or get the money from others that have taken on new loans, to get back that money that he has given away. Or he will put himself in a disadvantage compared to his competitors, and over time will go bankrupt. Or in the case that he has a monopoly on power (he is a banker or is a part of the state apparatus) he can just steal the money from other people, via taxes or taking out a new loan leading to even more money printing and more inflation. Nothing is free, someone has to eventually pay, if not the person that has spent the money, then the entire rest of the pyramid has to pay via taxes or inflation.
Such a system will lead to enslavement of lower rungs and wealth and power concentration at the top of the pyramid, without question, just due to how it operates, the mathematics of it. Anything marketed as "freedom" is just at the charity of the people at the top, they can give you some freedom (they have so much money, or access to new money, that they have no idea what to do with it, so they can act philantropist and give some money away, invest some money in a business, etc.)
The only way to escape this enslavement via debt is to use an entirely different currency, that they can't manipulate, that they can't print. Because the entirety of their power comes from printing new money. Take that away from them, and they lose all their economic power. After that, only loyalty and violence will still give them power. Usually then a revolution happens and one or the other side wins and takes on absolute power again via money printing.
It's also why alternative currencies that can't be printed are illegal, or their value has been manipulated so much that they don't reflect the actual material value any more (as is the case with investment metals like gold and silver, which are also impractical in the modern age compared to digital money and the convenience of electronic transactions). Cryptocurrencies are a thing that they exceptionally allow, but again because they pose no real threat - either they've already bought in enough that they control the currency outright, or they can simply seize it if they want, they can even shut off the internet to stop the majority of cryptocurrency transactions. Plus, as an individual living in a state which taxes you in the state's currency, you have to pay the taxes in the state's currency, not in the alternative or cryptocurrency. So eventually you have to exchange it to the state's currency, and if such exchanging is illegal, your new currency is worthless. You also have to control the land on which you live on, so that you're not taxed for it in someone else's money, or your land isn't seized by force.
 
if your bank gives you 1% returns, and inflation is in the double digits, you are losing bigly, which is the entire reason the system was set up
The whole point is that you're supposed to be incentivized to not have your money rot in a bank account. It is entirely possible to put in wealth in assets that appreciate in face value and thereby keep track with inflation, it's even generally possible to put your wealth into assets that even outperform inflation. The system is set up to punish you for being a dumb nigger that lets banks make money with your money.
Now if you're average American you are a retarded nigger by default and have has credit card debt up the ass and the idea of your wealth increasing is about as unattainable to you as a fourth grade reading level.
 
Every time you engage in credit, the creditor is obligated to inform you of the total cost of the credit. You know exactly how much you will pay back. This can be much yes but you also shouldn't recklessly take on debt.

You are not deceived into "cheap" money.
Given compound variable interest and flexible payment schedules (see: ARM mortgages) it is literally impossible to "know exactly how much you will pay back".

Further you seem to be trying to imply that usury is only tricking people and not simply an unreasonably high interest rate. In fact I looked up the definition and it does not even mention being deceptive. It says "an unconscionable or exorbitant rate or amount of interest".

And even if it was only about tricking people giving niggers with no concept of the future a credit card with >20% interest would not be morally justified. Not even if you wrap the card in a piece of paper that says "24% interest" in fine print on it you fucking jew.
 
If you wonder why jewish business is so successful, its because they are forbidden to charge interest to each other. So they do things like sell shares in their financial interests. They also lie and pretend it doesn't exist and disown anyone who actually validates that it does. Its why the old owner of the Clippers got kicked out of the NBA, they pretended it was about his Escort Girlfriend fucking niggers on the side.
 
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