Insurance - Hello Friends, do I have a deal for you!

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mindlessobserver

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Greetings fellow Kiwis. Do you have loved ones? Do you own property? Are you alive? Well, boy do I have an offer for you. You give me money, and in exchange I give you nothing...unless of course something happens to you, your loved ones or your property. Isn't this fun? If nothing happens, you have given me free money. If something does happen, well...

welcome to Insurance. Where you you give money for something you really, really hope you don't actually have to need. Money for nothing. Drinks for free.

Terms.

Deductible:
This what you HAVE to pay to draw on any policy. If your policy has a $500 deductible, you will have to pay $500 cash money, up front, right away, to activate the terms of your policy.

Liability: This is a term referring to legal obligations. Anything in your contract that imparts a liability to you is yours. Anything to the insurer is theirs. a $XXX,000 liability to the insurer is the item of value that is on sale, for the price established in your...

Principle: Obligatory amount that must be paid to make the contract valid. Under contract law, you cannot be delinquent in the payment of principle. The insurers liability only applies if the contractual principle is current and paid up front and on time. No oopsie doodles allowed.

Now that you understand these three terms, let me present to you a story.

>Be you, innocent fren.

>Driving down the road. Hit a patch of water. Spin out. Your car jumps the road, runs over Tyrone on the sidewalk. He dies 3 days later in the hospital, before you crash into Sneeds Feed and Seed (Formerly Chucks)

>Your spine is fractured in two places. You are not drunk and it was a freak accident. But the cops decide to cite you anyway for reckless driving.


What has happened here? Well first off your car is totaled to the tune of whatever its worth. You are out that much money. Then Tyrone's family sues you for wrongful death and also the cost of the 3 days it took him to die. Mister Sneed is also suing you for the destruction of his wall, as well as the cost of the lost business while his store is being fixed. And too add insult to injury the State is also threatening to upgrade your reckless driving charge to vehicular homicide and you are a facing prison.

This is where it is important to actually LOOK at what your automobile insurance covers. Are you a chad who actually went down the list, or are you a retard who clicked "Give me the cheapest option?!" Most auto insurance policies will include "property liability", "Personal Injury Liability", and "Medical Liability" as line items as you are signing up. Among other things like rental car insurance and new car gap insurance. All of which will be automatically "declined" if you select "cheapest option", which will result in the statutory minimum coverage for your district. Which I guarantee has not kept up with the cost of legal or medical services and is based on a law written almost 100 years ago. Also, your health insurance that you also sub optimized won't cover you, because thanks to the cops citing you for reckless driving they declare it self inflicted.

When you buy insurance, you should focus not on what the minimum is, but the worst case scenario that you cannot pay out of pocket to make go away. If you have good coverage in the above fuck up, Tyrones family gets a cool quarter million in compensation for his wrong death, and Sneeds Feed and seed get another quarter million to fix their building. Your car gets replaced AND the insurance company pays for a lawyer to keep you out of Prison. And maybe also figure out a way to fuck Tyrone and Sneed out of their money because the insurer doesn't want to drop 500k on their asses and its cheaper to legally brow beat them into taking less money. Also since you took the 100k per injury option, your spinal surgery is paid by the auto insurance instead of the health insurance which has told you to go die.

But if you didn't decide to pay the extra money for that coverage, well guess what. The insurer doesn't carry that liability. YOU DO.

This advice also applies to other forms of insurance. Such as health, life, and property. It is important to read these policies over in DETAIL. Its also important to remember that in general the policies are presented with the expectation that the insurer is getting money from you for a service that will never have to be rendered. So the bells and whistles are available "at additional cost". You should definitely check those "additional costs" out though, because if things go to shit, its better to have them then not.

For example, I pay 5 dollars a month extra every month on my home owners policy for "Defamation Coverage". What is that? Well simply put, if someone sues me for defamation, I can draw on my home insurance policy to hire a lawyer. Why did I add this boutique option? Well, I am posting on the Kiwi Farms.
 
The best insurance I pay for isnt even technically insurance but it gets called that.

Self Defense Insurance. (Technically a contractual agreement with a specialized lawfirm)

Kill someone in self defense? For ~200/yr you get guranteed legal representation, up to 1mil in bail and costs, and a number of other benefits. Peace of mind to pull the trigger when you need to without having to think about the legal ramifications after.
 
One way to check if your insurance coverage is adequate is to ask the agent for an umbrella quote.

If he comes back saying "first you need to change your auto insurance in X, Y, Z and homo insurance in P and Q"; then do those even if you don't get the umbrella.

High deductibles SOMETIMES save a lot of money, sometimes hardly anything. Example: if the cost of a roof in your area is $10k, and you put your deductible ABOVE $10k, then your home insurance may be WAY lower because the insurance company knows they'll never be buying you a roof after a hail storm, etc.

But sometimes the only thing you're really insuring is total loss, in which case the deductible doesn't really matter as either there's no claim or a total damage claim. So be sure to check the quotes.

And remember, in general, insurance is for losses you CANNOT afford to take, not ones you can. Insurance that covers oil changes on a car in addition to accidents would be silly, you're just paying for the oil change + some overhead (which is why lots of dental insurance plans are basically garbage lol).

Another protip: life insurance pays out if you die, but a "single payment immediate annuity" pays out if you live too long. This can be a valuable form of insurance in the right situation.

Final thought: large policy limits are basically a form of retainer; you're paying the insurance company so that IF you get sued/etc, they will bring THEIR large lawyerball to your defense, because THEY will have to pay $5m or whatever, and it's worth them to get a settlement much lower than that. If you want, you can find the right lawyers in your area and get them drunk enough to tell you what the normal settlement terms are, and make sure you insure decently above that.
 
I don't know what company you use, but most don't offer legal representation but consultation, so whatever lawyer you choose can ask them for advice in a case. It's not a $200/year retainer for representation.
CCW Safe. It says legal defense in clear language.
 
Those whole life insurance products are a huge rip off. Just put that money into an S&P 500 index fund and you'll come out way ahead
Whore life insurance has one very specific actual useful purpose, which is tax evasion for super stupid rich people which nobody is, and nobody should buy. It is a product made by fools and sold to fools.
 
Dude, at least give us a somewhat realistic hypothetical scenario.
Should have said "Tyrone walking in the road with a perfectly serviceable and empty sidewalk next to him". Missed a trick there.

Pffff house always wins with gambling. Real suckers game.
I actually met a guy who played this game and lost. He got rear ended by some dumb ass college girl on the interstate at age 20. fractured his lower spine. He could only walk with extreme pain. Could no longer work as a mechanic. Both he AND the girl had checked "Cheapest option" for their car insurance. He got 10,000 dollars from the girls insurance company and his insurance company paid him 10,000 dollars. It paid for the emergency room visit and 3 months of rehab. Lawyer told him he could still sue the bitch, but he would not get anything. She's a broke college kid who almost certainly would not actually get a job that could be conceivably garnished, and if he did she'd probably just stop working and find a boyfriend to live with. . Lawyers exact words apparently.

Needless to say his life was fucking joever at age 20 and he had no idea what to do with himself. Always wondered what happened to that guy.
 
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Insurance is worth it when the fee is small enough to not affect your spending and the danger is massive and not completely impossible. Any insurance of an item that isn't a house or a car is completely pointless, while having as wide health coverage as possible is good as long as you don't go full retarded. Of course getting a good company to have the insurance is just as important else they'll find a way to justify not paying a dime.
 
At a minimum everyone should have catastrophe health insurance and catastrophe liability insurance.

Lots of financial fuckery can be gotten rid of with Bankruptcy. A catastrophic health crisis or being on the losing end of a lawsuit are not things bankruptcy law can fix.

Also, Defamation insurance kiwi frens. It literally costs nothing, but it's included in every homeowner umbrella policy to score an extra few dollars. This became standard with the rise of social media. Even better it is basically an Immunity card. Your insurance company will force a retard who sues you to pay way more then they could possibly hope to collect. Which is also why it's so cheap.

And also why Amber Heard is not living under a bridge. Johnny Depp got paid by her insurance companies.
 
I once met a man who got into an accident with his 3 year old boy in the car. He was hit by another driver who had no insurance. He had Bodily Injury Liability of 10/20, and state minimum for Property Damage and Personal Injury Protection, but he did not have Uninsured Motorist Bodily Injury Liability. The guy with no insurance got an SR22, and the little boy gets to be a 3 year old mentally for life. The dad tried to sue the other driver, but he didn't even have money to maintain his own car insurance, so you know how that turned out. This also happened in one of the worst and poorest neighborhoods in my city. Minimum limits suck balls.
 
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