CN Insect Queen (Huawei exec) arrested by Canada - The China hive is swarming mad

HeyYou · Mar 1, 2019

Sissy Galvez said:
This is a good thing, fuck China and Huwaei.

On one hand, the US does do the same shady shit she's being charged for and it is political. On the other hand, China arrested Canadians over nothing in retaliation, will let her off if she goes back, and is pulling the old Soviet whataboutism to try to bully Canada into not complying despite being 10 times worse than even the US, so fuck them. The simple fact is that despite their ties to China, it really doesn't make sense to side with the country across the ocean over the country you share a border with. China pissing on Canada's legal system because of the Trudeau thing isn't going to do them any favors in the eyes of the judges presiding over this, either.

EDIT: Speaking of seething, by the way, there's a lot of insects going ballistic in the comments of the CBC video; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un4Mdhut598

Look for Darlene Sjostrom, she's a hoot and the most obvious China troll ever.

yeahweknow · Mar 1, 2019

those canadians apprehended in china are dead

millais · Mar 4, 2019

Now she is suing the Canadian airport and police authorities because they did not initially tell her the precise reason for her detention and her arrest, presumably leading her to say things in custody that she wouldn't have otherwise said had she known.

Huawei's Meng Wanzhou sues Canada

The chief financial officer of the tech giant says Canadian authorities violated her civil rights.

www.bbc.com

JosephTX · Mar 4, 2019

I wonder what would've happened in the 1960s if the US and Soviet Union had agreed to the joint invasion and neutralization of the PRC's nuclear weapons program they both proposed.

Do you think China would be as cocky as they are today?

Bunny Tracks · Mar 4, 2019

JosephTX said:
I wonder what would've happened in the 1960s if the US and Soviet Union had agreed to the joint invasion and neutralization of the PRC's nuclear weapons program they both proposed.

I never knew there was such a plan. Can you explain it a bit more, please?

JosephTX · Mar 4, 2019

Bunny Tracks said:
I never knew there was such a plan. Can you explain it a bit more, please?

In the early 60s the US asked the Soviets about taking out China's nukes, they said no.

Then in the Late 60s when the USSR was on the verge of war with China with open combat with the PLA on the USSR-PRC border they asked America if they would help them take out China's nukes, America said no and Nixon turned around and went to China to ally with them to troll the Russians

Bunny Tracks · Mar 4, 2019

JosephTX said:
In the early 60s the US asked the Soviets about taking out China's nukes, they said no.

Then in the Late 60s when the USSR was on the verge of war with China with open combat with the PLA on the USSR-PRC border they asked America if they would help them take out China's nukes, America said no and Nixon turned around and went to China to ally with them to troll the Russians

In all honesty, I don't think the plan would've worked at all. China would've declared war the instant they found out and probably would've nuked everybody. But even if they didn't, and we somehow were able to get rid of their nukes, what's to stop China from just building them again? The only way I can see this happening is if either America or the Soviet Union (or both of them) ends up occupying China. That in itself leads to dozens of horrifying scenarios such as the possibility of a Sino-Soviet super state, the possibility of China collapsing into another civil war, the Koreas going to war again because China isn't going to be able to help the Norks, America and the Soviets fighting over who get to control what part of China and resulting possibility of China being split in half like Germany, and lastly, WWIII happening.

So, yeah. I don't they'd be as a cocky, but I do think everything would be even worse.

Dracula's Spirit Animal · Mar 29, 2019

Here is some straight-up bald-faced lying from the head of Huawei. I mean, of course, if your government who have no problem with mass jailings order you to do something, you wouldn't either, because you respect OTHER country's sovereignty.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/wor...-not-even-xi-jinping-could-compel-it-to-help/

http://archive.li/xYgcg

This bit:

Chinese telecommunications giant Huawei would not heed a direct order to use equipment it manufactures for espionage in foreign countries, even if the demand came from the General Secretary of the Communist Party, a top Huawei executive said Tuesday.

“Xi Jinping hasn’t come to us. And I have no idea if that will happen,” said Eric Xu, one of the rotating chairmen at Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd.

But if such a request were to arrive, “we would definitely not do it,” Mr. Xu said, citing Huawei founder Ren Zhengfei, who said he would sooner shutter the company – a Chinese corporate champion with 180,000 employees – than engage in overseas spying.

“If you ask me what reasons we could use to refuse such a request, personally speaking, it’s very simple: Doing so would be a violation of laws in the countries where we provide our services,” Mr. Xu said in an interview with Canadian journalists at the company’s headquarters in Shenzhen.

Publicly pledging to oppose a directive from Mr. Xi, even a hypothetical one, is a delicate proposition for a Chinese executive, and experts said it would be difficult for any company headquartered in China to deny an order from the Party, which has removed leadership limits under Mr. Xi and declared that it “exercises overall leadership over all areas of endeavour in every part of the country.”

But these are extraordinary times for Huawei, as it battles Western skeptics to secure markets for its fifth-generation cellular technology, all the while seeking the freedom of its chief financial officer, Meng Wanzhou, who was arrested in December, 2018, in Vancouver, where she is now under house arrest awaiting an extradition proceeding. Authorities in the United States accuse her of committing fraud related to violations of sanctions against Iran.

In response, the company has staged what is now a months-long attempt to reshape its global public image. It has placed its top leaders on the offensive, arming them with declarative statements and geographically relevant facts as it canvasses the world’s press. Mr. Xu on Tuesday described bringing Huawei technology to places such as the Nunavut hamlet of Grise Fiord and said he has personally visited the birthplace of Norman Bethune, the Canadian communist physician eulogized by Mao Zedong.

Mr. Bethune’s legacy has been a long-standing wellspring of Chinese “friendship toward Canadians for so many years,” he said, so it is “regretful that after what happened around Wanzhou, both these two countries and the people of these two countries have seen some rising misunderstandings between them. As I see it, Huawei, the Chinese people and the Canadian people are all victims in this.”

Mr. Xu made no mention of Michael Kovrig or Michael Spavor, the two Canadians detained on espionage allegations who have been denied access to lawyers. Chinese authorities detained both men after the arrest of Ms. Meng, in what many observers have called an act of reprisal.

Instead, Mr. Xu positioned Huawei as a trusted company and research partner, which pours about US$30-million a year into university funding and partnerships in Canada. That’s roughly a 10th of its global total. Seventy per cent of the Canadian spending supports basic research, figures the company has not previously released. Critics have accused Huawei of using those partnerships to funnel taxpayer-funded research and patents out of Canada. Huawei has said it is changing its practices to allow intellectual property to stay in the country, although it has not described how.

The company is also pushing back against the United States, which has warned countries that install Huawei 5G technology that they risk jeopardizing intelligence-sharing arrangements with Washington. Ottawa has yet to say whether Huawei’s 5G technology will be allowed into Canada; the company is a key supplier of 4G network equipment for Bell and Telus.

Asked why Huawei should be trusted, Mr. Xu drew an analogy to Boeing as it struggles to rebuild public confidence in its 737 Max aircraft, which has been grounded around the world after two fatal crashes raised questions about the role of a Boeing-designed software system.

“Is Boeing trustworthy? At the moment, nobody is certain about this question – but in the past, we trusted it very much,” he said. “It’s possible that right now, people no longer have as much trust in Boeing. But in two years, you must trust it again. I think it’s the same for Huawei.“

In many key respects, “there is no difference between Huawei and other Western global companies,” he said, citing the company’s internal management systems and global practices.

It’s an argument designed to rebut a fundamental allegation by critics: that Huawei is an outlier among global telecommunications firms, rooted in a country that Western leaders increasingly see as a technological and economic competitor. Earlier this year, FBI Director Christopher Wray warned that Huawei equipment could provide an opening for Beijing to “maliciously modify or steal information, conduct undetected espionage, or exert pressure or control.” Former Canadian Security Intelligence Service director Richard Fadden has called for Ottawa to ban Huawei, citing Chinese laws that give “Beijing the power to compel Huawei’s support for its intelligence work.”

The company’s arguments to the contrary – it says no Chinese law allows government to compel the installation of backdoors or spyware – have done little to persuade those who study China’s political system.

“Huawei’s insistence that it would knock back the Party if asked to help it in any way, be it in the form of espionage or industry policy, is not credible,” said Richard McGregor, author of The Party: The Secret World Of China’s Communist Rulers.

He pointed to “Huawei’s regular oaths of loyalty” to the Communist Party, which he said “are not empty ritualistic incantations tossed off as a political performance. They are real world manifestations of the incontrovertible fact in China, that the Party is in control. That’s what the Party says. Why shouldn’t we take them at their word?”

“The Party is like the emperor,” said Willy Lam, an adjunct professor with the Center for China Studies at the Chinese University of Hong Kong. “The punishment for not obeying Party orders could be the destruction of the company.”

At the same time, Huawei’s argument could be understood as a pledge to fight any Party demand to engage in espionage, by pointing out “why such a request is stupid and foolhardy – the potential costs far outweigh the benefits that the hypothetical espionage will bring,” said Ming Du, director of the Centre for Chinese Law and Social-Legal Studies at the University of Surrey.

“I also question whether the Party or government would make such a request,” he added.

“There seem to be much more efficient and effective ways to do espionage if they want to, and it seems dumb to ask Huawei, a leading national brand name, to do this kind of stuff as it will ruin the company worth billions of dollars.”

Mr. Xu, meanwhile, said he is done fighting critics – at least, those in the United States, where he accused detractors of mounting political arguments unmoored in facts and officials of not understanding what “cybersecurity” really means.

“With what the U.S. has been doing, it seems to us it’s not possible to find a solution,” he said.

In Canada, however, he expressed more optimism for Huawei’s prospects. Installing competitors’ 5G technology atop Huawei 4G networks will “be very difficult” without “prior testing and verification,” he said.

”We should trust in the wisdom of the Canadian government and Canadian decision-makers,” he said, adding: “I believe Canada will make the right decision based on facts.“

AnOminous · Mar 29, 2019

Dracula's Spirit Animal said:
Here is some straight-up bald-faced lying from the head of Huawei. I mean, of course, if your government who have no problem with mass jailings order you to do something, you wouldn't either, because you respect OTHER country's sovereignty.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/wor...-not-even-xi-jinping-could-compel-it-to-help/

http://archive.li/xYgcg

This bit:
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I'm repeatedly clicking X to Doubt.

PS1gamenwatch · Sep 22, 2019

An update:

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Huawei CFO Awakens Canadians to the Long, Strong Arm of China
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Natalie Obiko Pearson
September 21, 2019, 3:00 PM PDT

Trudeau pushes engagement despite blowback in extradition case

Hearing comes amid growing unease over Beijing’s influence

Meng Wanzhou leaves court in Vancouver on May 8, 2019. Photographer: Jennifer Gauthier/Bloomberg
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Huawei Technologies Co.’s chief financial officer returns to a Vancouver courtroom Monday to fight extradition as Canadian voters deliberate who’s best suited to helm an unprecedented confrontation with China over her plight.

Meng Wanzhou’s arrest has plunged Canada’s relationship with its second-biggest trading partner into its darkest period since establishing diplomatic ties in 1970 -- with almost no hope of a detente. Navigating that will be one of the thorniest challenges for whoever wins next month’s federal election.

The incumbent prime minister, Justin Trudeau, has resisted any attempt to interfere in the extradition proceedings, saying the rule of law will govern Meng’s case. But as he fights to secure a second term, he confronts the dismal reality that his country’s five-decade policy of engaging with China failed when it was needed most.

Just days after Meng was detained on a U.S. extradition request, China threw two Canadians into jail on spying allegations, then later put another two on death row, and halted nearly C$5 billion ($3.8 billion) worth of Canadian agricultural imports. Pro-Beijing supporters have escalated their harassment of Canadians linked to Tibet, Uighur, and Hong Kong pro-democracy activism, bringing to the fore long-standing allegations of China’s meddling, and there are mounting concerns about Ottawa’s vulnerability to espionage.

“Canadians recognize that we cannot have a strategic relationship with China of the sort that Mr. Trudeau’s government initially was seeking,” said Richard Fadden, who served from 2015 to 2016 as national security adviser to both the Liberal prime minister and his Conservative predecessor, Stephen Harper.
Prescient Warning
A decade ago, Fadden caused an uproar when -- as head of the national spy agency -- he sounded an alarm on China, saying lobbyists operating out of its diplomatic missions were funding pro-Beijing cultural centers known as Confucius Institutes. He also said at least two provincial ministers and some municipal politicians in British Columbia -- home to the highest proportion of ethnic Chinese in Canada -- were believed to be under the sway of a foreign government.

A backlash ensued, with a parliamentary committee demanding his resignation. A decade later, those comments appear prescient: New Brunswick is shutting down Confucius Institutes at 28 schools after the provincial education minister called their curriculum “propaganda.” Last October, three British Columbia municipalities, including Vancouver, investigated allegations of vote buying after a pro-Beijing group offered a C$20 “transportation allowance” to encourage voting for ethnic-Chinese candidates.

A protester decries the detention of two Canadians outside the Vancouver court hearing Meng Wanzhou’s extradition case.
Photographer: Stephanie Lamy/Bloomberg

Meng’s case and the fallout from it has forced Canadians to “wake up,” according to Gao Bingchen, whose column in one of Canada’s biggest Chinese-language newspapers was abruptly canceled in 2016 after he criticized a Chinese official on social media. “Canadians are starting to consider: What price do we need to pay to keep what we call a good relationship with China? Can we afford it?”
The Chinese consul general in Vancouver, Tong Xiaoling, was unavailable for an interview. This summer, the consulate dismissed allegations of meddling in Canada’s internal affairs as “groundless and irresponsible.” Meanwhile, the Chinese embassy in Ottawa has called Meng’s arrest politically motivated and accused Canada of “arbitrary detention.” It rejects any suggestion the arrest of the two Canadians -- former diplomat Michael Kovrig and entrepreneur Michael Spavor -- was in retaliation for Meng’s detention, saying China is also a rule-of-law country.
Five Eyes

Canada has been reticent to confront signs of Beijing’s long arm extending into politics and civil society, much less take action like Australia, which introduced sweeping laws last year against foreign interference aimed at reducing Chinese meddling in national affairs. In part, that’s because Canada has failed to appreciate its desirability as a target given that it swaps intelligence with the U.S., U.K., Australia and New Zealand as part of the Five Eyes alliance, according to Fadden.

That complacency may have just come to an end. On Sept. 13, Canada charged a top intelligence official in its national police force with leaking secrets under a rarely used national security law. Cameron Ortis, director general of the national intelligence center for the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, had access to intelligence from Canada’s international allies, Commissioner Brenda Lucki said last week in a statement.

A court decision on Meng’s extradition isn’t expected until at least late 2020, and history shows most such cases end with a handover. Meanwhile, the stakes continue to rise. China stopped buying Canadian canola in March after importing some C$2.7 billion worth in 2018, according to rapeseed industry figures. Meat producers, meanwhile, say the cost of Beijing’s suspension of Canadian pork and beef imports since June is already approaching C$100 million.
Trudeau’s Tack
Affected farmers are turning to their political leaders for help. And Trudeau is merely the latest in a long line of Canadian prime ministers who’ve backed engagement with Beijing -- beginning with this father, Pierre, who established ties, and through the 1989 TiananmenSquare massacre when Brian Mulroney maintained relations, despite China became a global pariah.
The younger Trudeau, however, was a particularly ardent promoter. In 2017, his then-envoy to Beijing summed up the Liberal government’s s China policy in three words -- “more, more, more” -- while presenting his credentials to President Xi Jinping. Just six months before that, Trudeau had even agreed to start discussing a Canada-China extradition treaty.

Xi Jinping and Justin Trudeau attend the Group of 20 summit in Osaka, Japan, on June 29, 2019.
Photographer: Kazuhiro Nogi/Pool via Bloomberg
That approach now appears painfully naive. Conservative Party rival Andrew Scheer, trying to hold Trudeau to just one term, has mocked it as one of “hosting garden parties in Beijing and shipping your ministers off to China for photo opportunities eating ice cream.”
Scheer has called for a “total reset” on Canada’s approach to the Asian powerhouse and Trudeau has postponed a decision on whether to block Huawei from Canada’s 5G mobile network on national security grounds until after the election.
“Did engagement work? It’s not just this Trudeau, it was his father and virtually every Canadian prime minister since then,” said Paul Evans, a professor at the University of British Columbia in Vancouver.
“Engagement was premised on the idea that as China’s economy opened, as its society opened, that democracy or some sort of Western-style pluralism was going to come. Critics can make a pretty good case that that didn’t happen.”

X Prime · Sep 22, 2019

PS1gamenwatch said:
“Engagement was premised on the idea that as China’s economy opened, as its society opened, that democracy or some sort of Western-style pluralism was going to come. Critics can make a pretty good case that that didn’t happen.”

Hah, only an absolute moron believed this. The engagement was predicated on making a whole lot of money, and screw the socioeconomic health of the country I'm actually from.

ZeCommissar · Sep 22, 2019

JosephTX said:
I wonder what would've happened in the 1960s if the US and Soviet Union had agreed to the joint invasion and neutralization of the PRC's nuclear weapons program they both proposed.

Do you think China would be as cocky as they are today?

Bunny Tracks said:
In all honesty, I don't the plan would've worked at all. China would've declared war the instant they found out and probably would've nuked everybody. But even if they didn't, and we somehow were able to get rid of their nukes, what's to stop China from just building them again? The only way I can see this happening is if either America or the Soviet Union (or both of them) ends up occupying China. That in itself leads to dozens of horrifying scenarios such as the possibility of a Sino-Soviet super state, the possibility of China collapsing into another civil war, the Koreas going to war again because China isn't going to be able to help the Norks, America and the Soviets fighting over who get to control what part of China and resulting possibility of China being split in half like Germany, and lastly, WWIII happening.

So, yeah. I don't they'd be as a cocky, but I do think everything would be even worse.

yeahhhhhhh I don't think that would have went well. While the US and USSR would have crushed China conventionally they would either have to occupy it, or break it up into many puppet states. Which would have been tricky since the US and USSR would be trying to install friendly regimes in the area. I can totally see the US trying to either install something of their own, or pulling the Republican Chinese out of Taiwan and trying to use them to set up a government. Even if you beat a home enemy conventionally that doesn't mean you have won. We could see vietnam x10 in a country as expansive as China. We might destabilize the region to the point this happens again.

Nevermind the fact that the Chinese first tested a nuke in 1964, and they probably had a small air-based arsenal by then. I don't think they would have been able to nuke any cities with their technology at that point, but they probably would have used them tactically, causing the other powers to use them tactically or even strategically onto China which would have let the Nuclear cat out of the bag.

Such a thing would have really changed history though. If the PRC survives then they would be pretty hostile even to this day. I don't mean what they are now, I mean openly refusing to trade, or associate with the west in any matter hostile. One big reason we didn't just roll up to Hanoi during the Vietnam War was because we were scared that China would come down like they did in Korea, but since we are already at war with them it wouldn't matter at that point. Nevermind the fact that the US public would have to deal with Vietnam AND China. Maybe we would have ignored Vietnam completely in order to go to China?

TowinKarz · Sep 22, 2019

China really is a genius in that they've made it so being a duplicitous spy, lying in promises and being mercenary with their economy to the point the workers will off themselves than man the assembly line for one more second is seen as an immutable part of their culture, thus YOU are the bad guy if you object to "working with other cultures", even as they are photographing your blueprints right in front of you.

Chinese arrogance is part of the culture too, they lost the Opium Wars, twice, and were owned by the British for a while, but are still convinced nobody has ever come close to actually being on their level.... you could nuke them and they'd still be convinced they won as long as one member of the CCP was still alive.

X Prime · Sep 22, 2019

TowinKarz said:
China really is a genius in that they've made it so being a duplicitous spy, lying in promises and being mercenary with their economy to the point the workers will off themselves than man the assembly line for one more second is seen as an immutable part of their culture, thus YOU are the bad guy if you object to "working with other cultures", even as they are photographing your blueprints right in front of you.

Chinese arrogance is part of the culture too, they lost the Opium Wars, twice, and were owned by the British for a while, but are still convinced nobody has ever come close to actually being on their level.... you could nuke them and they'd still be convinced they won as long as one member of the CCP was still alive.

This sort of thing is actually mentioned in Poorly Made in China by a Chinese-American who works there.

They generally operate off of a form of consensus reality. What that means is that, say, if you go to a hotel there and your toilet is broken, the staff will try to convince you that it's totally fine, under the belief that thinking that makes it so.

They literally do not believe in holding up contracts because of this.

Say you make a product held in a plastic container. What the manufacturer will do is slowly make the container thinner and thinner, imperceptibly, until the container breaks. When you call them out on not following the contract, they simply say they can increase the amount of plastic used in the container for a price increase.

You absolutely must read that book if you want to really see and understand why doing business with them is a nightmare.

Slimy Time · Sep 22, 2019

TowinKarz said:
Chinese arrogance is part of the culture too, they lost the Opium Wars, twice, and were owned by the British for a while, but are still convinced nobody has ever come close to actually being on their level.... you could nuke them and they'd still be convinced they won as long as one member of the CCP was still alive.

It's one of the reasons the Japanese quickly outpaced them in the 1800s leading up to the 2nd World War. The Japanese interacted with the West and quickly realised that they were going to be btfo if they didn't move quickly and update themselves militarily and culturally. They basically became a sponge, wholly implementing Western models (primarily Bismarck's) of government and trashing their Shogunate and samurai system very quickly. China on the other hand meandered along, trying to combine Western ideology with Confucian (which is wholly incompatible), and was more of an attempt to delay the dynastic decline than anything else. Like they opened English and French schools, but kept the Confucian exam, which most people went for anyways. Wholly superficial reaction to being destroyed in the Opium wars and getting raped by the Unequal Treaties.

X Prime · Sep 22, 2019

I mean, we're all saying Chinese culture has a lot of negative baggage, and it's true.

It's just that it stops mattering when it turns out that all problems can be solved through throwing enough bodies, labor, and the money derived from those two at it.

Mexican_Wizard_711 · Sep 22, 2019

r/Sino is probably seething right now

Syaoran Li · Sep 22, 2019

X Prime said:
This sort of thing is actually mentioned in Poorly Made in China by a Chinese-American who works there.

They generally operate off of a form of consensus reality. What that means is that, say, if you go to a hotel there and your toilet is broken, the staff will try to convince you that it's totally fine, under the belief that thinking that makes it so.

They literally do not believe in holding up contracts because of this.

Say you make a product held in a plastic container. What the manufacturer will do is slowly make the container thinner and thinner, imperceptibly, until the container breaks. When you call them out on not following the contract, they simply say they can increase the amount of plastic used in the container for a price increase.

You absolutely must read that book if you want to really see and understand why doing business with them is a nightmare.

So, not only is China run by a totalitarian and technocratic regime, but the Chinese people are believing in consensus reality?

It seems to me that the CCP's ruling elites are fans of Mage: The Ascension and are trying to make it reality, with them as the evil and all-powerful Technocracy.

Of course, China is already bleaker than the World of Darkness.

Nobunaga · Sep 23, 2019

Syaoran Li said:
So, not only is China run by a totalitarian and technocratic regime, but the Chinese people are believing in consensus reality?

It seems to me that the CCP's ruling elites are fans of Mage: The Ascension and are trying to make it reality, with them as the evil and all-powerful Technocracy.

Of course, China is already bleaker than the World of Darkness.

China is more of a chris chan levels of stupidity in my opinion
If i keep repeating im a superpower that invents everything and could dominate the world if i wanted then surely it must be reality!

RodgerDodger · Sep 23, 2019

Meng Wanzhou’s arrest has plunged Canada’s relationship with its second-biggest trading partner into its darkest period since establishing diplomatic ties in 1970 -- with almost no hope of a detente. Navigating that will be one of the thorniest challenges for whoever wins next month’s federal election.

Of course Trudeau has no idea that by "Canada's second largest trading partner" it means Canada buys a metric crap ton of cheap Chinese shit, and China buys a small amount of agricultural products. Just enough to cause the cows to moo if their subsidies get cut

CN Insect Queen (Huawei exec) arrested by Canada - The China hive is swarming mad

HeyYou

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Huawei's Meng Wanzhou sues Canada

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