Law If This Isn’t Impeachable, Nothing Is - The president reportedly sought the help of a foreign government against Joe Biden.

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This little propaganda piece gets even funnier once you read Trump's response.


The president of the United States reportedly sought the help of a foreign government against an American citizen who might challenge him for his office. This is the single most important revelation in a scoop by The Wall Street Journal, and if it is true, then President Donald Trump should be impeached and removed from office immediately.

Until now, there was room for reasonable disagreement over impeachment as both a matter of politics and a matter of tactics. The Mueller report revealed despicably unpatriotic behavior by Trump and his minions, but it did not trigger a political judgment with a majority of Americans that it warranted impeachment. The Democrats, for their part, remained unwilling to risk their new majority in Congress on a move destined to fail in a Republican-controlled Senate.

Now, however, we face an entirely new situation. In a call to the new president of Ukraine, Trump reportedly attempted to pressure the leader of a sovereign state into conducting an investigation—a witch hunt, one might call it—of a U.S. citizen, former Vice President Joe Biden, and his son Hunter Biden.
As the Ukrainian Interior Ministry official Anton Gerashchenko told the Daily Beast when asked about the president’s apparent requests, “Clearly, Trump is now looking for kompromat to discredit his opponent Biden, to take revenge for his friend Paul Manafort, who is serving seven years in prison.”


Clearly.
If this in itself is not impeachable, then the concept has no meaning. Trump’s grubby commandeering of the presidency’s fearsome and nearly uncheckable powers in foreign policy for his own ends is a gross abuse of power and an affront both to our constitutional order and to the integrity of our elections.

The story may even be worse than we know. If Trump tried to use military aid to Ukraine as leverage, as reporters are now investigating, then he held Ukrainian and American security hostage to his political vendettas. It means nothing to say that no such deal was reached; the important point is that Trump abused his position in the Oval Office.
In this matter, we need not rely on a newspaper account, nor even on the complaint, so far unseen, of a whistle-blower. Instead, we have a sweaty, panicked admission on national television by Trump’s bizarre homunculus, Rudy Giuliani, that he did in fact seek such an investigation on Trump’s behalf. Giuliani later again confirmed Trump’s role, tweeting that a “President telling a Pres-elect of a well known corrupt country he better investigate corruption that affects US is doing his job.”

Let us try, as we always find ourselves doing in the age of Trump, to think about how Americans might react if this happened in any other administration. Imagine, for example, if Bill Clinton had called his friend, Russian President Boris Yeltsin, in 1996, and asked him to investigate Bob Dole. Or if George W. Bush had called, say, President Vicente Fox of Mexico in 2004 and asked him—indeed, asked him eight times, according to The Wall Street Journal—to open a case against John Kerry. Clinton, of course, was eventually impeached for far less than that. Is there any doubt that either man would have been put on trial in the Senate, and likely chased from office?
The Republicans, predictably, have decided to choose their party over their country, and the damage control and lying have begun. Senator Josh Hawley of Missouri, for one, has already floated the reliable “deep-state attack” nonsense that will play well on Fox and other conservative outlets. And while Giuliani did Trump no favors with his incoherent ranting on CNN, he did manage to hammer away at the idea that Biden, and not Trump, tried to shake down the Ukrainians while he was vice president.

The problem for Giuliani, the Republicans, and the president himself, however, is that Biden and his actions are now irrelevant to the offenses committed by Trump. The accusations against Biden are false, as we know from multiple fact checks and from the Ukrainians themselves (which is why I won’t deign to repeat them here). But even to argue over this fable about Biden is to miss the point, because it changes nothing about Trump’s attempts to enmesh Biden in a foreign investigation for Trump’s own purposes.

There is no spin, no deflection, no alternative theory of the case that can get around the central fact that President Trump reportedly attempted to use his office for his own gain, and that he put the foreign policy and the national security of the United States at risk while doing so. He ignored his duty as the commander in chief by intentionally trying to place an American citizen in jeopardy with a foreign government. He abandoned his obligations to the Constitution by elevating his own interests over the national interest. By comparison, Watergate was a complicated judgment call.

In a better time and in a better country, Republicans would now join with Democrats and press for Trump’s impeachment. This won’t happen, of course; even many of Biden’s competitors for the presidency seem to be keeping their distance from this mess, perhaps in the hope that Biden and Trump will engage in a kind of mutually assured political destruction. (Elizabeth Warren, for one, renewed her call for impeachment—but without mentioning Biden.) This is to their shame. The Democratic candidates should now unite around a call for an impeachment investigation, not for Biden’s sake, but to protect the sanctity of our elections from a predatory president who has made it clear he will stop at nothing to stay in the White House.
I am speaking only for myself as an American citizen. I believe in our Constitution, and therefore I must accept that Donald Trump is the president and the commander in chief until the Congress or the people of the United States say otherwise. But if this kind of dangerous, unhinged hijacking of the powers of the presidency is not enough for either the citizens or their elected leaders to demand Trump’s removal, then we no longer have an accountable executive branch, and we might as well just admit that we have chosen to elect a monarch and be done with the illusion of constitutional order in the United States.
 
when, god willing, will the Atlantic much like the city of Atlantis just one day sink below, never to be seen again?
 
Methinks the boy's been crying wolf one too many times.

These people would impeach Donald Trump for so much as farting softly in church if they could.
 
So that means wilson and fdr should have been impeached. Really makes me think.
Wilson should have been killed for creating the Federal Reserve.
These people would impeach Donald Trump for so much as farting softly in church if they could.
He needs to be impeached for merely existing according to them. Also, lol at the 10.3 million views on the twitter video. It isn't even noon on the East Coast.
 
Why would they be worried about Biden of all candidates? He appears to be breaking down as we speak.
The phone call supposedly happened in July.

So what do the Biden's have going on in the Ukraine?
Was Biden making deals with Russians when he was VP? :thinking:
 
I've been trying to understand the supposed gravity of this situation from the beginning. Trump is president. He used that platform to lean on another country to do something he wanted. Presidents have done this shit before since day 1 for very legitimate reasons. How is the fact that Biden is a political rival relevant if the goal, which is to uncover corruption, is legitimate?
 
What a horrible dictator, letting himself get almost-impeached for the billionth time. Most dictators just kill journalists who write news articles calling for impeachment...or, you know, just keep things simple and ban impeachment, or newspapers, or journalists, independent news in general, dissent as a whole...man, Trump is the worst dictator ever!
 
How is the fact that Biden is a political rival relevant if the goal, which is to uncover corruption, is legitimate?

For a broader context of all of this, please recall that Hillary Clinton worked with the Ukrainian Government to try to undermine Trump during the 2016 elections. Now that Trump is asking....yep, it's Ukraine, for the same sort of thing, she has said "The president asked a foreign power to help him win an election. Again ". I don't know what it is with Democrats and projection, but it seems to be about all they are good for some days.
 
For a broader context of all of this, please recall that Hillary Clinton worked with the Ukrainian Government to try to undermine Trump during the 2016 elections. Now that Trump is asking....yep, it's Ukraine, for the same sort of thing, she has said "The president asked a foreign power to help him win an election. Again ". I don't know what it is with Democrats and projection, but it seems to be about all they are good for some days.

Quite the slut you are, Ukraine.
 
What a horrible dictator, letting himself get almost-impeached for the billionth time. Most dictators just kill journalists who write news articles calling for impeachment...or, you know, just keep things simple and ban impeachment, or newspapers, or journalists, independent news in general, dissent as a whole...man, Trump is the worst dictator ever!
Trump cant even dictator right, maybe thats why he always end up filling for bankrupcy
Sad.
 
Until now, there was room for reasonable disagreement over impeachment as both a matter of politics and a matter of tactics.
I disagree. Anyone who wasn’t calling for his impeachment the night he won the election is a traitor.
 
Washington Post lawyers have come in with even spicier takes:


George T. Conway III is a lawyer in New York. Neal Katyal, a law professor at Georgetown University, previously served as the acting solicitor general of the United States.
Among the most delicate choices the framers made in drafting the Constitution was how to deal with a president who puts himself above the law. To address that problem, they chose the mechanism of impeachment and removal from office. And they provided that this remedy could be used when a president commits “Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.”

That last phrase — “high Crimes and Misdemeanors” — was a historical term of art, derived from impeachments in the British Parliament. When the framers put it into the Constitution, they didn’t discuss it much, because no doubt they knew what it meant. It meant, as Alexander Hamilton later phrased it, “the abuse or violation of some public trust.”

Simply put, the framers viewed the president as a fiduciary, the government of the United States as a sacred trust and the people of the United States as the beneficiaries of that trust. Through the Constitution, the framers imposed upon the president the duty and obligation to “take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed” and made him swear an oath that he would fulfill that duty of faithful execution. They believed that a president would break his oath if he engaged in self-dealing — if he used his powers to put his own interests above the nation’s. That would be the paradigmatic case for impeachment.

That’s exactly what appears to be at issue today. A whistleblower in U.S. intelligence lodged a complaint with the intelligence community’s inspector general so alarming that he labeled it of “urgent concern” and alerted the Office of the Director of National Intelligence. Though the details remain secret, apparently this much can be gleaned: The complaint is against the president. It concerns a “promise” that the president made, in at least one phone call, to a foreign leader. And it involves Ukraine and possible interference with the next presidential election. The complaint is being brazenly suppressed by the Justice Department — in defiance of a whistleblower law that says, without exception, the complaint “shall” be turned over to Congress.

We also know this: As he admitted Thursday night on CNN, the president’s personal lawyer, Rudolph W. Giuliani, has been trying to persuade the Ukrainian government to investigate, among other things, one of Trump’s potential Democratic opponents, former vice president Joe Biden, and Biden’s son Hunter about the latter’s involvement with a Ukrainian gas company.

Trump held up the delivery of $250 million in military assistance to Ukraine, which is under constant threat from neighboring Russia. He had a phone conversation on July 25 with President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine. According to the Ukrainian government, the call included a discussion of Ukraine’s need to “complete investigation of corruption cases, which inhibited the interaction between Ukraine and the USA.”

So it appears that the president might have used his official powers — in particular, perhaps the threat of withholding a quarter-billion dollars in military aid — to leverage a foreign government into helping him defeat a potential political opponent in the United States.

If Trump did that, it would be the ultimate impeachable act. Trump has already done more than enough to warrant impeachment and removal with his relentless attempts, on multiple fronts, to sabotage the counterintelligence and criminal investigation by then-special counsel Robert S. Mueller III and to conceal evidence of those attempts. The president’s efforts were impeachable because, in committing those obstructive acts, he put his personal interests above the nation’s: He tried to stop an investigation into whether a hostile foreign power, Russia, tried to interfere with our democracy — simply because he seemed to find it personally embarrassing. Trump breached his duty of faithful execution to the nation not only because he likely broke the law but also because, through his disregard for the law, he put his self-interest first.

The current whistleblowing allegations, however, are even worse. Unlike the allegations of conspiracy with Russia before the 2016 election, these concern Trump’s actions as president, not as a private citizen, and his exercise of presidential powers over foreign policy with Ukraine. Moreover, with Russia, at least there was an attempt to get the facts through the Mueller investigation; here the White House is trying to shut down the entire inquiry from the start — depriving not just the American people, but even congressional intelligence committees, of necessary information.

It is high time for Congress to do its duty, in the manner the framers intended. Given how Trump seems ever bent on putting himself above the law, something like what might have happened between him and Ukraine — abusing presidential authority for personal benefit — was almost inevitable. Yet if that is what occurred, part of the responsibility lies with Congress, which has failed to act on the blatant obstruction that Mueller detailed months ago.

Congressional procrastination has probably emboldened Trump, and it risks emboldening future presidents who might turn out to be of his sorry ilk. To borrow John Dean’s haunting Watergate-era metaphor once again, there is a cancer on the presidency, and cancers, if not removed, only grow. Congress bears the duty to use the tools provided by the Constitution to remove that cancer now, before it’s too late. As Elbridge Gerry put it at the 1787 Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia, “A good magistrate will not fear [impeachments]. A bad one ought to be kept in fear of them.” By now, Congress should know which one Trump is.

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There are more articles like this one, such as:

Greg Sargent: As whistleblower scandal deepens, Trump bets on the coverup working

Max Boot: If Trump extorted a foreign leader for political gain, it’s impeachment time
 
So that means wilson and fdr should have been impeached. Really makes me think.
And Obama.

Don't forget Christopher Steele was a foreigner.
 
Notice how much of the press is quietly scurrying away from this one. Even CNN. It leads to Biden, and the millions his family extorted from foreign dictators while he was veep. Something the liberal press has been actively covering up for years. Now in order to destroy Trump they have to sacrifice whats left of their senior leadership and media. This should be fun.
 
I like how they're so viciously chomping at the bit. Like a stray dog gnawing on a pork chop.
It's the fucking Ukraine. The Ukraine. What influence does a dirt poor iron curtain shithole have over the U.S.? Its elections, its people, etc? Even if they had enough evidence to throw Biden in the clink for his shady and blatantly obvious business dealings there, they couldn't.
He's a rich, powerful American citizen. Doesn't matter if he murdered an entire family on the street, he won't be arrested.
The Democrats have really, really made this impeachment shit their hill to die on. It's astounding how hard they're pushing this dumb shit, and how it's a nothing burger every. Fucking. Time. They've cut their teeth repeatedly, and no matter how much damage it causes their credibility, their respectability and electability, they just keep doing it.
They're like an autistic kid reaching for the stove. But every time he burns himself, he just keeps doing it.
 
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