Identity Politics

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People are adamant to identify themself because it's part of their person they see them self as it and show it to the world. Things like being black, white are both things you can't choose they are chosen by god and it would be hard to change them. Being trans, gay is a choice both of your identity and they will change what u are and how you chose to portray yourself to the world. How these had anything to do with the holocaust i don't know i think you have some explaining to do there.
 
I'm just gonna refer to "identity politics" as "IDPOL" for this one.
arent identity politics the very thing that cause the holocaust?
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IDPOL is the substitution of individual responsibility/rights/power for that of a collective group, which is a tool used by tyrants to suppress people. If you are no longer a sovereign individual, you are one of a group, and as one of a group you are held responsible for the group's perceived reputation regardless of your involvement or lack thereof with the group. If a tyrant has control of media, they can make you into a villain by sheer virtue of the fact that you're part of that group.

Holocaust was the result of a war hungry nation being repeatedly spat on who then gained traction and went all out. Sound like IDPOL? I mean yeah there's a group being collectively assigned guilt and attacked right?

If you want to call it IDPOL, racism, tribalism, or whatever you like,
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both sides were playing the same game. You'd be an idiot to think the overwhelming majority of the 'tribe of 109' were blameless victims.

Point is, the whole "individualism" concept is more or less an idea you'll find in the U.S.A. constitution and a few other aspects of legacy (~enlightenment era Christian) western civilisation.

To answer the question, people who lack integrity are adamant to identify as a group which they think will give them more power, and IDPOL gives them an opportunity to do so. That's your "post-Christian civilisation postmodern nihilism" doing its thing to the minds of the envious and greedy. Far easier to blame the 'oppressors/bourgeoise/whitey/-phobes' for your problems than actually deal with those problems.
 
people feel like termites in impersonal supertribes so they try simulating tribal intimacy by forming gangs movements etc
unless its a tiny shutoff closeknit group it never succeeds and always becomes part of the faceless horde (this is why people stop liking things after they go "mainstream")
this is why cults are so effective at keeping members in
 
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It's only like the Holocaust when that identity is seen as the sum of yourself and is one dimensional. A gay is easy to dehumanize or turn into a team you're on just by merit of bedroom activity. A gay who likes football, is relaxed, and knows chemistry is a human and someone who you can focus on the other aspect of.

Identity becomes dangerous when there can only be one label applied per person. When it is not that it can only help inform others and the self of what to expect from their behavior and beliefs.
 
Why are people so adamant about identifying as black/white/gay/trans etc. like arent identity politics the very thing that cause the holocaust?
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"people" don't give a fuck, it's almost exclusively teens and basket cases.

You don't meet successful and well adjusted people obsessed about telling the world about their sex life. They also don't need the pity points.

It's just a vocal minority of retards who's voices have been enhanced by social media, MSM and political figures looking to make money out of the perpetual controversies.
 
I think IDPOL stems from a cocktail of developments and reasons:

  • The social aspect of it seems to be that there is a lot of positive affirmation that comes with being this way, now more than ever. We, as humans, crave compliments and validation, and the recent move towards social progressiveness has created this machine where one can essentially cash out your identity for some positive attention. The reason why it is so widespread is because, nowadays, there is little risk or work required to reap such a reward. Coming out as gay in the 1980's was almost unheard of. Now, people will either give you a gold sticker or just not care; very few will go Westboro Baptist on you, and even then, you will be white knighted. You can reap all the benefit and put in zero effort.
  • These identities have distinct communities based on said identity. Our modern day atomization has led for a need to bond with each other and find particular communities. These minority groups have a distinct community based in X, Y, and Z attributes, especially on the internet.
  • It's a good shield for any criticism. Over the years, we have slowly scrubbed away the idea that people should be judged based off of actions rather than immutable characteristics. It's the political equivalent of saying "I can't help myself, I'm a Scorpio!"
  • There is this very flawed perception that the most qualified arguer is the one that fits the bill of the argument. While it is true that someone like a white person will never 100% truly know what it feels to live as a black person, that does not mean he is disqualified from talking about race. Many today will claim that voices of the majority speaking over the voices of the minority, but that's bullshit. If the playing field is even, all voices should have an equal opportunity to speak.
TL;DR There are social benefits to it and it's good for leveraging in arguments.
 
If multiple people can reliably classify you as part of a group, bitch, you're part of that group, even if you cry about it.
If we take Clinton, Arnold, Luka Modric and Stallone, and show them to a diverse, large group of Asians, Africans etc., they would be categorized as White Male above 99%.
That's for a reason. Individuals make up groups. You're part of them. No you cannot leave. Make peace with it.
 
What I learned to realize years ago is that all politics are identity politics in some shape or form. This has always been the case and will always be the case. Only idealistic lolbertarians and "enlightened centrists" refuse to understand this.
 
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I'm just gonna refer to "identity politics" as "IDPOL" for this one.

IDPOL is the substitution of individual responsibility/rights/power for that of a collective group, which is a tool used by tyrants to suppress people. If you are no longer a sovereign individual, you are one of a group, and as one of a group you are held responsible for the group's perceived reputation regardless of your involvement or lack thereof with the group. If a tyrant has control of media, they can make you into a villain by sheer virtue of the fact that you're part of that group.

Holocaust was the result of a war hungry nation being repeatedly spat on who then gained traction and went all out. Sound like IDPOL? I mean yeah there's a group being collectively assigned guilt and attacked right?

If you want to call it IDPOL, racism, tribalism, or whatever you like,
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both sides were playing the same game. You'd be an idiot to think the overwhelming majority of the 'tribe of 109' were blameless victims.

Point is, the whole "individualism" concept is more or less an idea you'll find in the U.S.A. constitution and a few other aspects of legacy (~enlightenment era Christian) western civilisation.

To answer the question, people who lack integrity are adamant to identify as a group which they think will give them more power, and IDPOL gives them an opportunity to do so. That's your "post-Christian civilisation postmodern nihilism" doing its thing to the minds of the envious and greedy. Far easier to blame the 'oppressors/bourgeoise/whitey/-phobes' for your problems than actually deal with those problems.
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I have withheld my negrate even though you are setting off my libertarian alarm hardcore. It sounds like you are referring to a specific expression of identity politics rather than all forms of tribalism.

I used to knee-jerk against anyone I saw engaging in identity politics; now I knee-jerk against anyone who refuses to engage in identity politics. Maybe tribalism is less of a thing in Heaven. Unfortunately, modern life in developed nations is becoming increasingly prison-like, and in prison you join a gang to increase your chances of survival. People are also best suited to care for those who are like them. Identity politics isn't just a cynical move done by oppressors, although it can be; it can also be the natural expression of tribalism as group cohesion.

You could even argue that liberalism was a tribal ideology for Anglos. In fact, that sure as shit seemed to be the case as it quickly grew dystopian the more it was opened up to include other groups.
 
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