🎨 Artcow Iconoclast / Jonathan Mack Sweet - The Chris-Chan of Arkansas

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I love that people tried to get him to explain why he couldn't control his own finances and his answer was, almost literally, "JUST BECAUSE." Moreover, he doesn't give enough of a shit to try to figure it out. Not even A-Logging, if this chucklefuck isn't legitimately handicapped in some way he is one of the laziest, most incompetent motherfuckers I have ever seen.

Holdek said:
Heh, I was just now looking at a post over there where he describes himself as a "former small businessman."
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He sure knows how to twist things around to suit his own agenda, doesn't he? He worked on a college paper for less than six months - he's a newspaperman. Hung around The Shop at his mom's behest - he's a former small businessman. But then I guess this is just another facet of the same trend that leads him to sing the praises of his college days while simultaneously cursing them.
 
Holdek: "ex" and why you think she might have loved you.
Holdek: Because from what you've said, you've had about two interactions with her ever. about an hour ago
Dr. Belch: I don't know why said she was rich. She always knew the right thing to say, somehow...as if someone who knew me and wanted to set me up was feeding her information. Now the only people who knew me so well, and hated me so much, were my old "friends" from The Herald. But that's too hideous to comprehend, now isn't it? A school paper doing that to an ex-staffer as revenge over a silly little dispute?
Dr. Belch: I spoke to her pretty much every night from Aug 97 to Feb 98, minus the month she was incommunicado. She said she loved me. I had no reason to doubt her. I never thought for a moment it was a prank. Sure, it was odd, but hey--
HSMOF: Ya know, belch, there's one personality involved in all of this whom you seem to leave out of most of the Ashleigh stories.
Dr. Belch: I was looking outside my narrow little definition of "normal", now wasn't I? So why do you get mad at me for allegedly lying but never say one bad word against those who lied to me? Why did no one ever step forth and tell me "Hey, let me set you straight, brother. Your bosses aren't happy with you, the pennies stuck in the door lock are a prank, not a gift, and your girl is crazy and possibly underage." I had no one in my corner. Where was this "bashing reality"
HSMOF: Well, Jon, obviously people were mistaking you for a level-headed, intelligent adult.
Dr. Belch: into me when I needed it 18 years ago? When it might have made some difference? Am I supposed to believe everyone in my immediate social circle was just blowing smoke up my butt? That seems a bit too conspiratorial, doesn't it? Like, oh, I dunno-- a System?
HSMOF: No.
Dr. Belch: Yes. Oh yes, I think so. I think it was. I was 22. Studies now tell us the brain isn't fully formed until around age 25. I really didn't know better.
HSMOF: See, only extremely gullible people with severe cognitive disorders have to be told they've been pennied in and phone-pranked. People like Chris-chan, for example.
HSMOF: Everyone else's was. Except, well, Chris-chans.
HSMOF: He even believed there was a system aligned against him.
Dr. Belch: Yab yab yab yab yab yab yab yab yab blah.
HSMOF: But, again, there's one person in all of this whom you don't seem to mention much. 4 minutes ago
HSMOF: Oh, hey, sorry about your writing impediment there.
HSMOF: Try it with me: "I, Jon Sweet, have been beaten and am acting like a child in return."

Conspiracies, conspiracies everywhere!
 
The bad boy of college journalism. The bad boy of college journalism.

This is the most delusional thing I've ever read.
 
Dr. Belch: I figured the pennies were a gift appropriate to a column I wrote about money for deposit bottles... just like the nudie mags for my piece where I mentioned Marilyn Monroe, just like the Pamela Anderson poster for my BARB WIRE review. The better my work, the better the goodies I got. I thought the TV ratings piece would net me something really great, something TV-related. I never expected termination papers.
Treenbeen: Ok, I'm 22 and I knew better at 18. So that argument isn't quite valid.
Dr. Belch: By the way, I wasn't pennied in, I was pennied out. It was always done while I was at the office, so I'd come back to my room to find the change in the lock. At least get something right, huh, Holly?
Treenbeen: Gosh oh golly, you got him now. He said IN instead of OUT. Well, this changes EVERYTHING.
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And really, you need to stop using friend.

You haven't spoken to any of these people for nearly two decades. They apparently didn't like you then and they definitely don't like you now since they've repeatedly asked you to stop contacting them. Leave them alone. You only want them as "friends" so you can use them. That isn't friendship, that's sociopathic.
 
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Imagine bragging about people giving you pennies. That's unbelievably sad.
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Maybe he sees it like that one villain from Kim Possible, the one who used Dollar Store stuff to commit evil, and whose plan was to get a million dollars via pennies.
 
I'll just keep these coming, shall I?

Treenbeen: Gosh oh golly, you got him now. He said IN instead of OUT. Well, this changes EVERYTHING.
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16 minutes ago x
Dr. Belch: Well, yes. Pennying someone inside their room would be dangerous if a fire broke out. Outside the room it's a mere inconvenience.
Treenbeen: *sigh*
Dr. Belch: I can't win here. If I give too much information I get yelled at for sharing too much. If I give too little information I';m accused of lying, half the time I'm accused of saying something I never even said. 11 minutes ago
Treenbeen: The issue is that nothing you say makes sense in any way. That's where I'm at, at least. You act like a racist, but claim not to be. Everything is always someone else's fault. I want you to own up and take at least SOME responsibility for yourself.
Dr. Belch: And how do these two accounts contradict each other at all? One mentioned he was in his drawers outside, the other that he stole my computer monitor. Both mention the crazy note.
HSMOF: Who's been yelling at you for sharing too much? And personally, I don't think you lie. I think you're very, very dishonest, but I haven't seen you lie specifically.
HSMOF: Ah, that's what I'm talking about. One mentions a knife in the door, the other doesn't. One mentions he was in his underwear, the other doesn't.
HSMOF: You're leaving out some pretty hefty details. Looks dishonest.
HSMOF: When we get a minute, I'd like to discuss one Mr. Anthony Coleman.
Dr. Belch: I took responsibility for upsetting Ashleigh by talking about my feelings. But if she was a troll anyway, only put up to seducing me as part of a prank, it's a moot point anyhow, right? I admitted I don't know anything about mechanical stuff
Treenbeen: Those two accounts differ in that not 3 hours ago you told me I was confusing two stories, one with a bar under your bed and one without, but you JUST CONFIRMED that they were the same story, which means that yes, you tell it differently each time.
Dr. Belch: and probably had no business in a repair shop. But it was no reason for Dale to blow up at me for not properly handling a customer's complaint.
Dr. Belch: Treenbeen: What are you going on about? You're confusing two different stories.
Treenbeen: you literally JUST asked me how those two accounts differ to defend yourself in not changing your stories, and then when I point out that they are different, I'm the one that's confused? I don't understand.
 
Shadow Fox said:
A+, good sirrah
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Hey, thanks!

He made me nervous , anyhow, running that thing inside. Exhaust, poor ventilation indoors, sharp blades. Very dangerous.
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The Iconoclast was afraid of a weed whacker.

The Iconoclast was AFRAID OF A WEED WHACKER.

I now know what I need to do if I see Jon Sweet trespassing on someone's property: Send a black 12-year old kid after him with a weed whacker.
 
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Dr. Belch: Yes. Oh yes, I think so. I think it was. I was 22. Studies now tell us the brain isn't fully formed until around age 25. I really didn't know better.
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Like a lot of things Belch says, there's a kernel of truth there. And, however, as usual, takes it to extremes. When I was 22 my brain was fully formed enough for me to realize how to save a few dimes for copies. And how old was he when he wandered around the hospital for eight hours unable to find a phone?
 
Treenbeen: That's just how it goes sometimes. Accept it.
HSMOF: You got "bawled out". Dale may have lost income. The bigger loss is Dale's.
Dr. Belch: I didn't mind the work, but I didn't like how Dale kept promising to pay me a commission when the business picked up. I told the guy his weed whacker didn't work right because there might be water in the fuel line. He took offense.
Dr. Belch: Why, I don't know. I just remembered something Dale himself told me about weed whackers--they won't run if there's even a small amount of water in the gas tank. I didn't say the guy put it there. I heard some unscrupulous gas stations in the area were watering down their stuff at the pumps. Pretty chintzy. The guy leaves in a huff and takes his business elsewhere.He made me nervous , anyhow, running that thing inside. Exhaust, poor ventilation indoors, sharp blades. Very dangero
Dr. Belch: I was polite and helpful. Somehow I wound up getting punished for it. Dale was already mad about my brother borrowing money, and probably over that kid with the stolen mower, too (which was his fault)...but he took it out on me. Maybe if he wasn't always off blowing our take on useless junk at auctions, we'd actually have had profits to show. Who needs a bunch of junk like pocketknives and old lamps and cherubim mantle clocks? A candy counter or a shelf of new books by up-and-coming authors, now,
HSMOF: How were you helpful if you didn't know anything about weed whackers?
Dr. Belch: that would have really raked in the dough. But Dale wasn't a man of vision.
HSMOF: Which up-and-coming authors?
Dr. Belch: I knew how many we had in stock. My job was to keep inventory. I learned how to do spreadsheets that summer-- only useful skill I learned from the whole mess.
HSMOF: I mean, if you're implying yourself, that's not true. You're objectively a failure as an author. You've barely sold any of your books.
Dr. Belch: Whoever was hot on XLibris that week. That was my publisher in those days, before I went over to Ramble House. And, yes, I was going to sell my own books too, why not? If Dale wasn't such a close-minded fool, I'd have sold a lot more.
Treenbeen: No, no, see we're back to the issue: it's not his fault your books didn't sell. 8 minutes ago x
Dr. Belch: It was in the sense that the shop closed a week before my first book came out. I lost a valuable distribution arm.
HSMOF: The internet is the biggest distribution arm you could ever ask for, and your books still don't sell. It is not Dale's fault regardless.
Treenbeen: But that doesn't mean it's his fault your books didn't sell. It means he lost his business, and all you can talk about was how that was inconvenient to you.
HSMOF: This^
Dr. Belch: Leaving out a pointless detail here and there doesn't mean I'm lying. Knife. Underwear. A lot of screaming. When I try to mention every little thing, I invariably get that "duhh, tl.dr" blah-blah.
Treenbeen: But it does mean you are lying when I say that you sometimes say you used the bar under your bed and you say "Different story!" and then turn around, point to that SAME example, and say "Not different at all! Not lying!"

Holdek said:
Like a lot of things Belch says, there's a kernel of truth there. And, however, as usual, takes it to extremes. When I was 22 my brain was fully formed enough for me to realize how to save a few dimes for copies. And how old was he when he wandered around the hospital for eight hours unable to find a phone?
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Hell, when I was 18 I was working 3 jobs, saving up for school, and paying my own way minus rent (thanks parents.) I'm pretty sure by 22 one should be able to have enough sense to know to save some dimes for the copier if it's needed.
 
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Treenbeen: No, no, see we're back to the issue: it's not his fault your books didn't sell. 8 minutes ago x
Dr. Belch: It was in the sense that the shop closed a week before my first book came out. I lost a valuable distribution arm.
HSMOF: The internet is the biggest distribution arm you could ever ask for, and your books still don't sell. It is not Dale's fault regardless.
Treenbeen: But that doesn't mean it's his fault your books didn't sell. It means he lost his business, and all you can talk about was how that was inconvenient to you.
HSMOF: This^
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This guy scrambles cause and effect like they were eggs. Makes my eyes go crosswise.
 
Dr. Belch: Leaving out a pointless detail here and there doesn't mean I'm lying. Knife. Underwear. A lot of screaming. When I try to mention every little thing, I invariably get that "duhh, tl.dr" blah-blah.
Treenbeen: But it does mean you are lying when I say that you sometimes say you used the bar under your bed and you say "Different story!" and then turn around, point to that SAME example, and say "Not different at all! Not lying!"
Dr. Belch: What are you going on about?? Dale didn't lose his business, he gave it up. There's a difference. I was left to helm a sinking ship for two weeks. Did I omit the bar in one telling of the story. I'm sorry. Why does that make it a lie?
Treenbeen: Because I mentioned that earlier and you said it was a completely different story, and then whipped around and said "No, same story, I just only mention it sometimes." So there's at least one lie in there.
HSMOF: And it means you're obfuscating the facts.
Dr. Belch: I thought you were confusing the 1992 incident with the 2011 incident. And to be honest, I have tried to wallop my brother so many times for his horrible behavior I've lost track.
HSMOF: Whoa, wait - Why does omitting the fact that you were wielding a weapon in one version of the story and not in another make it a lie? It's a lie of omission.
Dr. Belch: No, "deal with him" was simply shorthand for saying, "I went and got my own weapon, a large metal bar I had secreted under my bed the last time His Stupidness threatened me, and attempted to beat some sense into his thick, empty head". Nothing is omitted
Dr. Belch: except the obligatory "duhh, tl.dr".
Treenbeen: .... except that literally no one but you knew that "deal with him" meant "retrieved afore mentioned weapon from previous stories that may or may not be part of this story and threatened him".
HSMOF: Exactly! "Deal with him" could mean anything. Warning him about calling the cops, pushing him away, shielding the door with your body, wrestling the weapon from his hand. Not attacking him with a deadly weapon.
HSMOF: And btw, Jon - TL;DR is when you go on and on with your political rants when trying to distract from a legitimate point, like you tried to do upthread.
Dr. Belch: You're just arguing semantics now. "Deal with him" is perfectly acceptable. If you know the story, as I'm sure many of your friends do (even if they never get details right) they know a metal bar was involved (that time). Would you prefer "Whip his a**"?
Treenbeen: But you don't even know the story! I brought up the bar, and you thought I was talking about something else completely!
HSMOF: So, then, the people at the ASU Herald dealt with you, and that's all there needs to be told. Does that work? Or do the details matter?
Dr. Belch: He couldn't be talked to; threats of police action didn't work; I'm not allowed a cell phone.. I thought maybe rearranging his spine a bit with a metal bar would clean up his attitude. Instead of cowering on the ground and begging for mercy, as I expected
Holdek: Dr. Belch, were you allowed control over your own money in college? I'm curious at what point did these cognitive difficulties first became apparent to your family.
Treenbeen: See, this is where I get confused again. You are a grown man. You are allowed a cell phone. You are allowed whatever you want, within the law. which is why you CAN'T rearrange your brother's spine.
Treenbeen: But you most certainly CAN have a cell phone.
Dr. Belch: (as per an earlier incident where I dealt with him), he fought back and grabbed the bar. That's when neighbors and the cops became involved. I was not allowed a cell phone; His Stupidness would never permit it. He was too afraid I'd report his dirty little dealings to the cops.
Treenbeen: .... yes... so why can't you have a cell phone?
Treenbeen: Your younger brother is not in charge of you.
Dr. Belch: I was allowed to control my money in college. I had a lot more freedom there. I was in control; I was master of my own domain. Things changed and got weird when Dale left, and not due to any "cognitive difficulties", so kindly shut up about that.
Holdek: It is apparent that Dr. Belch's family believes it necessary to supervise things like his phone usage and his money. I think at this point it might be best for him to seek out a caretaker from social services so he can live more independently, at least
Holdek: while also taking some adult skills courses.
Treenbeen: Ok, but then why? You haven't answered the question? Who made these "rules"? Who made it so that you can't control your finances?
HSMOF: Belch, I would suggest that instead of telling everyone to "shut up", you first secure a reliable means of making us, alright?
HSMOF: We're being respectful adults here, even me. Oh, I'm mercilessly straightforward, but I'm still being respectful.
Dr. Belch: Yab yab yab yab yab yab yab yab blah.
Holdek: Dr. Belch, was supervision required by the courts after your arrest?
HSMOF: There goes that writing impediment again. Obviously an example of how he indeed needs adult supervision.
Dr. Belch: I don't know how to use a cell phone, okay? I prefer a landline. And for a while, he pretty much was. He kept taking more and more of my money, ran up my credit cards, made off with a whole shedful of my cans, all to support his habit.
Treenbeen: I will say that if there is/was legitimate cognitive difficulty happening here, then it's not right to keep throwing that at him, just as it was not right for him to do so with depressive disorders. However, when cognitive difficulty is a factor, there is nothing wrong with recommending seeking counsel in a non judgmental way.
HSMOF: " I don't know how to use a cell phone, okay?" Well, now, that would be indicative of a pretty massive cognitive disability. My students know how to use a cell, and they aren't ten years old yet.
Treenbeen: That being said: who set these rules in place about your finances?
Holdek: I'm not judging him. It's the same advice I would give to anyone with such a condition.
Treenbeen: i know that. I was just clarifying in case he decides to try to turn this.
HSMOF: I fully agree with Holdek.
HSMOF: Oh, and Treenbeen, of course.
Treenbeen: I will say that there is a generational gap at play, but low tech cell phones operate just like cordless landlines.

Let me know when you want this to stop. This is a lot of text to take in at once.
 
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Btw, folks, I know it seems like I'm being a little hard on Belch. And that is because I am. I am being as hard as hell on him. But I'm still trying to be fair. Do me a solid: If you think I'm stepping out of line, let me know. My goal is not to hurt Jon, but to show him the nonsense of his ways. Hurting him would just be a perk.
 
I wonder if Iconoclast was officially diagnosed with some sort of severe mental disability. It would explain a lot. Disability payments, why he isn't allowed to control his finances, why he can't hold a job, and really his whole college experience.

In high school, I can see autism (the mumbles jacket), but I wonder if he started displaying schizophrenia in college. It would explain the delusions, the paranoia, and he would be around the right age for it start manifesting. Combined with the already socially awkward and obsessive mind of an autist, a serious mental disorder could lead to where he is today.
 
Treenbeen said:
Dr. Belch: Leaving out a pointless detail here and there doesn't mean I'm lying. Knife. Underwear. A lot of screaming. When I try to mention every little thing, I invariably get that "duhh, tl.dr" blah-blah.
Treenbeen: But it does mean you are lying when I say that you sometimes say you used the bar under your bed and you say "Different story!" and then turn around, point to that SAME example, and say "Not different at all! Not lying!"
Dr. Belch: What are you going on about?? Dale didn't lose his business, he gave it up. There's a difference. I was left to helm a sinking ship for two weeks. Did I omit the bar in one telling of the story. I'm sorry. Why does that make it a lie?
Treenbeen: Because I mentioned that earlier and you said it was a completely different story, and then whipped around and said "No, same story, I just only mention it sometimes." So there's at least one lie in there.
HSMOF: And it means you're obfuscating the facts.
Dr. Belch: I thought you were confusing the 1992 incident with the 2011 incident. And to be honest, I have tried to wallop my brother so many times for his horrible behavior I've lost track.
HSMOF: Whoa, wait - Why does omitting the fact that you were wielding a weapon in one version of the story and not in another make it a lie? It's a lie of omission.
Dr. Belch: No, "deal with him" was simply shorthand for saying, "I went and got my own weapon, a large metal bar I had secreted under my bed the last time His Stupidness threatened me, and attempted to beat some sense into his thick, empty head". Nothing is omitted
Dr. Belch: except the obligatory "duhh, tl.dr".
Treenbeen: .... except that literally no one but you knew that "deal with him" meant "retrieved afore mentioned weapon from previous stories that may or may not be part of this story and threatened him".
HSMOF: Exactly! "Deal with him" could mean anything. Warning him about calling the cops, pushing him away, shielding the door with your body, wrestling the weapon from his hand. Not attacking him with a deadly weapon.
HSMOF: And btw, Jon - TL;DR is when you go on and on with your political rants when trying to distract from a legitimate point, like you tried to do upthread.
Dr. Belch: You're just arguing semantics now. "Deal with him" is perfectly acceptable. If you know the story, as I'm sure many of your friends do (even if they never get details right) they know a metal bar was involved (that time). Would you prefer "Whip his a**"?
Treenbeen: But you don't even know the story! I brought up the bar, and you thought I was talking about something else completely!
HSMOF: So, then, the people at the ASU Herald dealt with you, and that's all there needs to be told. Does that work? Or do the details matter?
Dr. Belch: He couldn't be talked to; threats of police action didn't work; I'm not allowed a cell phone.. I thought maybe rearranging his spine a bit with a metal bar would clean up his attitude. Instead of cowering on the ground and begging for mercy, as I expected
Holdek: Dr. Belch, were you allowed control over your own money in college? I'm curious at what point did these cognitive difficulties first became apparent to your family.
Treenbeen: See, this is where I get confused again. You are a grown man. You are allowed a cell phone. You are allowed whatever you want, within the law. which is why you CAN'T rearrange your brother's spine.
Treenbeen: But you most certainly CAN have a cell phone.
Dr. Belch: (as per an earlier incident where I dealt with him), he fought back and grabbed the bar. That's when neighbors and the cops became involved. I was not allowed a cell phone; His Stupidness would never permit it. He was too afraid I'd report his dirty little dealings to the cops.
Treenbeen: .... yes... so why can't you have a cell phone?
Treenbeen: Your younger brother is not in charge of you.
Dr. Belch: I was allowed to control my money in college. I had a lot more freedom there. I was in control; I was master of my own domain. Things changed and got weird when Dale left, and not due to any "cognitive difficulties", so kindly shut up about that.
Holdek: It is apparent that Dr. Belch's family believes it necessary to supervise things like his phone usage and his money. I think at this point it might be best for him to seek out a caretaker from social services so he can live more independently, at least
Holdek: while also taking some adult skills courses.
Treenbeen: Ok, but then why? You haven't answered the question? Who made these "rules"? Who made it so that you can't control your finances?
HSMOF: Belch, I would suggest that instead of telling everyone to "shut up", you first secure a reliable means of making us, alright?
HSMOF: We're being respectful adults here, even me. Oh, I'm mercilessly straightforward, but I'm still being respectful.
Dr. Belch: Yab yab yab yab yab yab yab yab blah.
Holdek: Dr. Belch, was supervision required by the courts after your arrest?
HSMOF: There goes that writing impediment again. Obviously an example of how he indeed needs adult supervision.
Dr. Belch: I don't know how to use a cell phone, okay? I prefer a landline. And for a while, he pretty much was. He kept taking more and more of my money, ran up my credit cards, made off with a whole shedful of my cans, all to support his habit.
Treenbeen: I will say that if there is/was legitimate cognitive difficulty happening here, then it's not right to keep throwing that at him, just as it was not right for him to do so with depressive disorders. However, when cognitive difficulty is a factor, there is nothing wrong with recommending seeking counsel in a non judgmental way.
HSMOF: " I don't know how to use a cell phone, okay?" Well, now, that would be indicative of a pretty massive cognitive disability. My students know how to use a cell, and they aren't ten years old yet.
Treenbeen: That being said: who set these rules in place about your finances?
Holdek: I'm not judging him. It's the same advice I would give to anyone with such a condition.
Treenbeen: i know that. I was just clarifying in case he decides to try to turn this.
HSMOF: I fully agree with Holdek.
HSMOF: Oh, and Treenbeen, of course.
Treenbeen: I will say that there is a generational gap at play, but low tech cell phones operate just like cordless landlines.

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I for one really appreciate you logging all this, as I've been away from the computer off and on all evening (and am heading to bed now).

But hot diggity damn, we're getting some fun content tonight. The more excuses this guy keeps making, the more incompetent he makes himself look. I'm not sure, but I don't think that's quite the effect he was aiming for.
 
Dr. Belch: I tried to see things from your point of view, but my head won't fit that far up my butt. 14 minutes ago *
Holdek: I was trying to show Dr. Belch why someone would be pissed off at his antics in that situation because he believed it was a conspiracy by the Herald staff to kill him. 14 minutes ago
Dr. Belch: I won't seek help because I was taught it was a ploy by "Leo Greer" (not his real name). I've mentioned that before. 14 minutes ago
Treenbeen: I have trouble reading the comics sometimes... can you explain why you think help is a ploy? 13 minutes ago x
Holdek: Okay well forget your cartoon character for a while. He's not real. 13 minutes ago
Dr. Belch: Yes, he is-- the man he's based on, anyhow. 12 minutes ago
Holdek: Why would you take his word for it over everyone else's? Is it because that's the easy way? 11 minutes ago
Holdek: Some guy from almost two decades ago, who you've turned into a cartoon character, is telling you something that makes no sense, against the advice of everyone else. See? 10 minutes ago
Dr. Belch: Also, what difference would it make to seek help now? "Oh, you have Asperger's Syndrome. Here, come back to ASU. Al lis forgiven!" "Why, if I'd known you had Asperger's Syndrome, I'd never have lied to you and told you I was a rich lawyer's daughter 10 minutes ago
Treenbeen: Ok, so what happened? 9 minutes ago x
Treenbeen: Dr. B, sometimes people do things we don't like, regardless of who we are or what we do. That's just part of how the world works. But then it's YOUR job to move forward, and move on. Because that's all you can do. 9 minutes ago x
Dr. Belch: and aspiring underwear model all those years ago! Forgive me?" And my family would probably just try to take away more of my freedoms, which I barely have now. 9 minutes ago
Holdek: If you seek help now, you'll be able to understand why you have the problems you have, and strategies to help mitigate Asperger's symptoms in the future. 8 minutes ago
Treenbeen: And let go of a lot of pent up aggressions and find healthy ways to manage your feelings and time. 7 minutes ago x
Holdek: It's about leveraging what's available to you to get the best out of life. Because it seems your life is pretty crummy right now. 7 minutes ago
Holdek: You don't have much to lose, let's be honest. 7 minutes ago
Dr. Belch: Okay, basically, after my problems w/ The Herald, I was sent to "Dr. Greer", who said my records were frozen and he'd lift the flag if I undergo a counseling session. I did as told. Then he tells me it was just a prelim and the real session would cost 6 minutes ago
HSMOF: There's a possibility that the counseling session could have been an assessment. Or that things didn't go so well and they figured you needed more treatment. 3 minutes ago
Dr. Belch: $500, and until I went the flag would remain in place. I was furious. I chose to walk away. This was the same man who had previously promised to question the copy editor about the SNL sketch, and then said it "wasn't necessary". So he'd lied to me before. 3 minutes ago
Holdek: It's time to forget about Dr. Greer. That was 18 years ago. 2 minutes ago
Treenbeen: Ok... so let's talk about that for a second... You chose to walk away. That's your choice. He did not force you out of the school, or make you leave, etc. etc. 2 minutes ago x
Holdek: It's like if you went to a clinic with a broken arm and someone set it and then said the cost for a cast would be $15,000. Would you sit around with a broken arm for the rest of your life, or get a second opinion? 1 minute ago
Treenbeen: That's unfortunate that that happened, and I had something similar happen once. But you just keep going. Roll with the punches. Move on.
Holdek: Yep. 8 minutes ago
Holdek: Dr. Greer could have been incompetent for all I know. 8 minutes ago
Dr. Belch: I chose to walk away because it wouldn't ever end if I gave into his demand. It'd always be another session, another hoop to jump through, another $500 here, and $500 there, and eventually I'm thousands of dollars in the hole, the flag is still there, 7 minutes ago
Dr. Belch: and still no one has questioned that glorified copy boy who couldn't keep his stinking mouth shut. 6 minutes ago
Treenbeen: What do you mean by that? 5 minutes ago x
Holdek: This is a conversation that might have benefited you 18 years ago. But right now? Dr. Greeer, the copy boy, etc., it's all done, man. Over. Way over. Has been for a long time. Time to do a 180 and walk out the front door. 4 minutes ago
Dr. Belch: The guy who filed the charge to begin with has never been questioned. He destroyed my life. Now he's off living it up with a nice job and a decent family while I'm broken, alone, and miserable. It won't be over until I ruin him. 3 minutes ago
Holdek: The question is: what do you want to do now? Tomorrow? The next day? Same old nuts? That's fine by me. But by my estimation you've still got a few decades left on this planet, so it sounds like it would get kind of boring. 2 minutes ago
Treenbeen: But that's not how life works. That will just end in you being miserable forever. 2 minutes ago x
Treenbeen: Because at this point, and I don't mean this as rude as it sounds, who cares? 2 minutes ago x
Treenbeen: what will some complaint to his employer from someone they've never met about something he maybe did in college do to him? 2 minutes ago x
Holdek: You'll never ruin him Dr. Belch. And even if you did, you'd still be miserable. 2 minutes ago
Dr. Belch: I've since contacted Greer, who has since taken a position with another school, about settling the whole ASU matter. He has yet to respond. 2 minutes ago *
Treenbeen: It won't have any effect on him. He's well established at his work, and with his family. Word of mouth from someone they've never heard of about something minor he supposedly did won't ruin his life. It will only end in disappointment for you. 1 minute ago x
Holdek: These angry memories and fantasies of revenge are the anchors in your life keeping you broken, alone and miserable.
Holdek: Just going step by step to get some help and then living independently will make you feel a lot better. 14 minutes ago
Holdek: You can dismiss me as a Holly Berry but you can't deny the part about how you'll feel better. You can't dismiss Treenbeen. 13 minutes ago
Holdek: Also letting go of all the obsession with the past will be a relief. Like dropping a bag of bricks you're carrying. It'll be like what Al Pacino says in Glen Garry Glen Ross "You ever take a dump that makes you feel like you've slept eight hours?" 11 minutes ago
Holdek: *12 hours 11 minutes ago
Dr. Belch: No, I tried moving on, and I found it all a ploy. My happiness is firmly in the past. That's why I want to purchase that little shop in town, to reach out to the men of my generation who miss their old college life, or didn't have the brains or the money 9 minutes ago
Treenbeen: Then do that. But you won't get there by trying to destroy everyone who ever slighted you. 8 minutes ago x
Holdek: Well it's up to you. 6 minutes ago
Dr. Belch: for school the first time around, who dream of a second chance. I can build a couple of apartments in the back, bring in some wild local girls from the community college, pump in the music and the TV shows we loved from half-past 1997, really live it up. 6 minutes ago *
Holdek: But just be realistic about if you are actually going to buy that shop. Don't fool yourself, because then you are your own worst troll. That goes for all of us, really. 5 minutes ago
Treenbeen: And don't be too disappointed if you can't get "wild local girls" from the community college... 4 minutes ago x
Dr. Belch: The bookstore would be sort of the public face of it, but the college living apartment's really where the money's at. 4 minutes ago
Holdek: Well I think that will never happen but hey it's a free country. 4 minutes ago
Holdek: But how much should I bet that if I came back to this shoutbox exactly one year from today you would be no closer to attaining that particular goal? 3 minutes ago
Dr. Belch: Well, I need something to compete with Amazon and other online booksellers, and let's face it, men like free tail. 3 minutes ago
Treenbeen: But most girls wouldn't sign on for something like that. That's all I'm saying. 2 minutes ago x
Holdek: Just an honest question. I don't think it will work out but I would rather see you make progress toward that then another year dealing with your brother and being broke, alone, and sad. 1 minute ago
Holdek: The one thing I've gained from watching Chris Chan through the years is that you can certainly stop living long before you're dead. :(
Dr. Belch: They did at ASU, at least in my day. I should study their business model and find out what attracted all those women to the dorms. Obviously it wasn't personality or hygiene, unless a gal goes in for getting drunk and peeing in the stairwell. 2 minutes ago
Treenbeen: Ok... to put it more bluntly... they won't sign on for that will older than college aged guys.
 
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