🎨 Artcow Iconoclast / Jonathan Mack Sweet - The Chris-Chan of Arkansas

[ToroidalBoat]

Who even uses cheques anymore?

Oh, I don't know - people who still rely on 3.5" floppy disks?

Seriously, couldn't he have just called the bank and reported a fraud, like others here have asked? By now, however, it's probably too late though, as there's a time limit for these sorts of things.

[insert "nobody told me about reporting fraud and time limits" joke here]

Spoiler

Some places require checks per payment policy, so checks are still used sometimes today. But it's getting rare.

 

[Bound2]

Gotta head out now. If someone else could cap the rest, that would be appreciated. This discussion is getting interesting.

Continued from above:

Dr. Belch: I was a newspaperman. Questioning the rules got me nowhere. They didn't like me being a nice guy, if at times a star-struck fanboy ....
Treenbeen: So... that's your grand solution? Just... give up on everything? A job went badly once, done with the whole working industry. One newspaper let you go, can't be a writer anymore. Brother stole some checks, can't handle your own money. Girl broke up with
Treenbeen: you? Can't move past it and have another relationship.
Nonnymouse: But again, why can't you talk to your mother about the matter of your finances? Do you believe she will lie to you or try to hurt you?
Treenbeen: Is revenge really all you have left now?
Dr. Belch: ...and playing the "bad boy" didn't go over too well, even if the fans dug it. So really, I don't know where I belong.
Dr. Belch: Yes. Yes, it is.
_: You should talk to someone about whether you are on the autistic spectrum.
Nonnymouse: Dr Belch, it is much, much harder to be a good person and rise above your enemies than it is to sink into bitterness. I am sure you have it in you to be the better person and make something of your life.
Nonnymouse: It is worth the struggle when you can look back on your life and say, "Look at how far I've come! Look at what I've accomplished! I've proved all those nay-sayers wrong!"
_: What the hell is that cartoon in the "bad boy" link about? Was that "turd as child" thing something you actually talked about, in real life?
Nonnymouse: I think it is a shame for anyone to become so lost in their anger that they never move past it and give up any chance at making a good life for themselves.
Treenbeen: Well, you can whine about how much everything sucks all you want, or you can make an effort to do something to fix it. Your call.
_: Read this, Dr Belch: http://usaspatriot.proboards.com/thread/1083/christian-weston-chandler-real?page=3&scrollTo=313288
_: It's you, praising Chris-Chan's brother Cole for moving out of a dysfunctional house and seeking counseling. Why not take your own advice?
Treenbeen: ^^^^^ DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER.
_: Thx

Nonnymouse: I really don't understand his explanation about his control of his money....
Nonnymouse: I don't want to insult him, but he seems very passive.
Treenbeen: Beyond passive. It seems like he won't do anything about... anything. Lost a job, so quit working. Lost a girl, so stopped trying. Lost the paper gig, so quit writing. Lost some money, so quit handling money at all. Etc. etc.

 

[Le Bateleur]

I think this is most of the recent conversation.

Spoiler: In case nobody ever told you how to use Pastebin

Treenbeen: But people don't have a choice with depression. So why on earth would you think it was at all appropriate to say "Let's see how you do without your precious anti-depressants!" and other things along those lines? 15 minutes ago
Dr. Belch: There was no time to react. They didn't just stand there and wait for me. By the time I got to the door it was all over. Besides, if I had actually attacked and managed to hurt one of them, do you not think they would have come back looking for revenge? 15 minutes ago
Treenbeen: No, because the majority of people aren't hell bent on vengeance. Shocking, I know. 14 minutes ago
Treenbeen: And the story changes every time you tell it.... sometimes, there's not time to get out there. Others, you're too afraid. Others, you watched from the window, but didn't act. Others, you grabbed the pipe from under your bed, but didn't make it. 13 minutes ago
Dr. Belch: You've never grown up in a black neighborhood, have you? You don't know these people. I do. 13 minutes ago
Treenbeen: Ah, we're back to the racism, I see. 13 minutes ago
Dr. Belch: As for what I said to Holly, if you're trapped in a house with a deranged psychopath he doesn't let you have things. For me it was a cellphone. For Holly it would be his meds. 13 minutes ago
Dr. Belch: Not racism, just fact. Same reason that kid caused me so much trouble at Dale's. I couldn't do anything against him because he happened to be black. Dale wouldn't listen to me when I said he was bad news. He gave me the same dopey tolerance speech. 9 minutes ago
Treenbeen: It all comes back down to choices. Your younger brother was controlling? Leave. You want to rebuild your life? Do it. You're sick of these people talking about you? Stop picking fights. How many times now has this died down, and then 9 minutes ago
Treenbeen: you post a quote from their website and start it back up? Man up and make your own choices, and stop criticizing others for theirs. 9 minutes ago
Dr. Belch: Guess what? We almost got shut down. I had to go above and beyond in my managerial duties that day to talk the cops out of arresting us for trafficking in stolen goods. And was that worm Dale grateful? Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. 7 minutes ago
Treenbeen: That's not going above and beyond... that's doing your job. A strange concept, I know. 6 minutes ago
Dr. Belch: Leave and go where? I only understand the ASU model. I couldn't find a lawyer to take my case against the Herald, and I didn't have enough saved up to rebuild it on the outside. 6 minutes ago
Treenbeen: But honestly, if you thought you were helpless against a 12 year old kid because he was black, then you clearly don't understand legal process at all. 5 minutes ago
Treenbeen: Learn a new model! For god's sakes, you can't go back to ASU! It's over. It's done. Stop trying to screw over everyone who ever had a five minute conversation with you and go make a life for yourself! The entire world is not a tiny college campus. 5 minutes ago
Nonnymouse: Dr Belch, the ASU model of what? You have mentioned this several times and I still am not clear on exactly what you are referring to. 4 minutes ago
Treenbeen: I strongly doubt you could go back to ASU. You've outgrown college, start acting like it. 4 minutes ago
Dr. Belch: My job was setting up window displays, helping customers, and doing inventory... not cleaning up after Dale's stupidity. 4 minutes ago
Treenbeen: Then you weren't a manager. 3 minutes ago
Dr. Belch: Yes, I was. I managed the shop when Dale was out on buying trips. What, do you have to deal with cops coming around wanting to question your boss on your job? Is that normal? 1 minute ago *
Nonnymouse: If you mean that you only understand how to live like a college student would, then please don't take this the wrong way, but perhaps you would benefit from talking with something like an advocate for adults with learning disabilities. 21 minutes ago
Dr. Belch: My job was pretty much everything except actually repairing the equipment. I know nothing about mechanical things. I've told the story of how this caused the fight between Dale and me that ended with him skipping town-- the weed whacker guy. 20 minutes ago
Nonnymouse: I am not trying to insult you, but these people would understand how to help explain the basics of everyday living to adults who are having trouble figuring that out for themselves. Even if you are not disabled, they may be able to offer some help to you. 20 minutes ago
Treenbeen: Things happen. Yes, I have had to talk to police at a previous job. I had to assist in getting someone arrested at a previous job, for shoplifting. When you are a manager, the store and all that happens there, is your responsibility. 18 minutes ago
Dr. Belch: But I think Dale was already upset about my brother borrowing money and was just taking it out on me. He screamed at me for half the day, then at quitting time drove off and left me alone to batch in the shop as punishment. 18 minutes ago
_: Are you still planning to buy that place in Blytheville and set up your own shop? 17 minutes ago
_: If so, and you're able to run a shop, why haven't you looked for work in a shop instead of claiming disability? 16 minutes ago
Dr. Belch: Nonnymouse: I know about day-to-day living (although I have trouble with mechanical things and this modern tech). I just don't get relationships. I liked the ones we had in college-- very casual. It's hard to find those on the outside. 15 minutes ago
Treenbeen: Because they aren't relationships. They're hook ups. 14 minutes ago
Nonnymouse: Ah I see. I thought when you referenced the "ASU model you were referring to day to day life (cooking, cleaning, finding a place to live, managing money) and not relationships. 12 minutes ago
Nonnymouse: If you understand these things, is there a reason you have not tried to move out and get your own place? 12 minutes ago
Dr. Belch: Treenbeen: I know that. But Dale was the boss, and he hated being second-guessed. Whenever I tried to tell him anything, he would pout and threaten to take me home and cut me out of the business. My job was to keep an eye on him, and I guess I failed. 12 minutes ago
_: Have you ever been tested for autism? You seriously seem to have it? 12 minutes ago
Nonnymouse: A relationship is nice but it's not a necessity for living. If anything, a relationship would come after you have all the important stuff figured out. 11 minutes ago
Dr. Belch: No money. My brother learned how to forge my signature, stole my checks, and drained my bank account. I'm not allowed to control my own fiances, at least until he completes rehab, stays clean for at least a year, and can prove himself trustworthy. 10 minutes ago
_: Why do you have to wait until he finishes rehab before you get control of your money back? 8 minutes ago
Nonnymouse: I am sorry if I'm asking stupid questions, but..... why must he be out of rehab, stay clean etc in order for you to regain control of your finances? Wouldn't this be the time to take control of those, while he is out of th epicture? 8 minutes ago
Treenbeen: Why are you not allowed to control your own finances? 8 minutes ago
Nonnymouse: Oops, _ beat me to the punch! 8 minutes ago
Nonnymouse: Oh and why didn't the bank do anything about your brother's theft/forgery? 6 minutes ago
_: Or the SSI officers? 5 minutes ago
Dr. Belch: Because an unguarded book of checks is too much of a temptation to a (recovering) addict. He's talking about coming back, and Mom is seriously considering it. 4 minutes ago
gameface: Oh Sweets, why won't you just come to Kiwifarms and listen to our advice? Even if you had a simple part time job it would change your life for the better. Life is all about making mistakes and learning from them and going out of your comfort zone. 3 minutes ago
Treenbeen: I don't understand.... get a debit card? Then he can't steal your money unless he knows your pin. Why can you not control your finances? 2 minutes ago
Dr. Belch: It's just too much of a risk. And by the time the bank figured it out and called me, the damage was done. And when he got caught, my brother just pitched a fit and tried to punish us for punishing him. We came back to find a knife stuck in his bedroom door 2 minutes ago
Treenbeen: ..... right, ok... but he's not even there right now. So why can't you right now? 2 minutes ago
Treenbeen: He's in rehab, can't access you, so what's holding you back? 1 minute ago
Dr. Belch: and him running around the yard in his underwear flipping the hell out. I tried to deal with him, and basically it ended up with the neighbors trying to pull us apart and both of us going to jail for assault charges. less than a minute ago
_: This doesn't sound convincing at all. Who made the decision that you couldn't run your own finances? You? Him? Your mom? Your bank? A court? The SSI office? less than a minute ago
Nonnymouse: Treenbeen is right--get a debit card. It's small enough to keep on your person at all times and he cannot use it unless he knows your PIN code. Most places have online payment systems anyway, so I think checks are becoming obsolete. 1 minute ago
Dr. Belch: We have to make sure he stays clean. Once the mortgage is paid off and there's more money freed up, I'll bring it up again. less than a minute ago
_: Alternative theory: Once Dr Belch was jailed for a violent crime, the court ordered his mother to take charge of his disability payments. 5 minutes ago
Treenbeen: Right... and what does that have to do with you controlling your own money? 4 minutes ago
Nonnymouse: This is very confusing. -.- I'm trying to understand, but what Dr Belch is saying doesn't make very much sense to me. Maybe there are just factors involved in his situation with his family that we don't understand. 3 minutes ago
Treenbeen: Soo... Dr. B... you can't control your own finances because... your brother is in rehab and from there will... steal all your money and buy drugs? 2 minutes ago
Dr. Belch: It's complicated... I dramatized it, however, here and here. 2 minutes ago
_: Why not use words to tell us about it now? Also, Tim Sweet is starting to sound like a cross between MacGyver and Jesse Pinkman. I would so watch a show about a character like that. less than a minute ago
Dr. Belch: Of course, I didn't have a dog back in those days. If I had, I might not have wound up in so much trouble. a few seconds ago
Treenbeen: That doesn't make it anymore clear. I know he stole money from you in the past... but what about now? a few seconds ago
Nonnymouse: Dr Belch, I am sorry, but the comics don't clarify anything for me..... 1 minute ago
Treenbeen: What we are asking is right now, this EXACT moment, why can't you manage your own money? 1 minute ago
Dr. Belch: I had a strongbox filled with checks. He snuck into my room and stole it, thinking it was full of cash, then took it somewhere to pry off the lid. He was caught and sent to jail. The checks were useless to him then... less than a minute ago
Treenbeen: Ok, yes so RIGHT NOW, YEARS LATER, why can you not manage your own money? a few seconds ago
Dr. Belch: but after a couple more stints he learned a few new tricks. I got new checks and a new hiding place. He found it and made off with them. less than a minute ago
Treenbeen: Regardless of what he did then, what could he possibly do now? a few seconds ago
_: Were these SSI checks? Can't you get your money paid directly into a bank account? a few seconds ago
_: There's no reason to keep ducking the SSI issue, by the way. No-one will judge you. a few seconds ago
Dr. Belch: Uh...yeah, they will. That is all they do. 1 minute ago
Dr. Belch: So in answer to your question, I don't know, okay? There are rules. I've learned you don't question the rules. No, these were ordinary blank checks, drawn on my bank account. I had a small nest-egg socked away. He cracked it. Now maybe he's sincere 1 minute ago
_: Even the people here? 1 minute ago
Nonnymouse: Does he still control your finances? Does your mother control them? If so, why can't you take them back from him or ask her to return control to you? less than a minute ago
Treenbeen: I'm just not understanding. Who made the rules? a few seconds ago
_: You drew blank checks on your own account? To be honest, it's probably good that someone is helping you handle your finances... a few seconds ago
Treenbeen: Who told you that you can't manage your finances right now? a few seconds ago
Dr. Belch: about turning his life around, but I can't take chances. I get a small gov't stipend, to help out since we lost our shirt on the shop. Thank you, Dale. I really don't see anything from it except for a small allowance. less than a minute ago
Nonnymouse: But Dr Belch, you were a newspaperman, correct? Isn't it a newspaperman's job to question the rules? Besides, this is your life, your money. Why shouldn't you ask questions about it and try to get control of it again?
Nonnymouse: I know you feel very suspicious of a lot of people in the world, but surely your mother isn't one of those people? You can ask her questions about this, can't you? 1 minute ago
_: Look. We already know it's SSI for your laryngitis - we have the link where you said so yourself. I'm genuinely sorry you have such a problem. a few seconds ago
_: If you weren't cantankerous and a blowhard, people would be more likely to want to help you. a few seconds ago
_: Instead, you set yourself up as some kind of bargain-bin Limbaugh, and you alienate so many people. It's alright for Rush - he's got all the dollars and sweet, sweet oxycontin he wants. You need people on your side, and that's easier if you're nice.
Dr. Belch: I was a newspaperman. Questioning the rules got me nowhere. They didn't like me being a nice guy, if at times a star-struck fanboy .... 4 minutes ago *
Treenbeen: So... that's your grand solution? Just... give up on everything? A job went badly once, done with the whole working industry. One newspaper let you go, can't be a writer anymore. Brother stole some checks, can't handle your own money. Girl broke up with 1 minute ago
Treenbeen: you? Can't move past it and have another relationship. 1 minute ago
Nonnymouse: But again, why can't you talk to your mother about the matter of your finances? Do you believe she will lie to you or try to hurt you? 1 minute ago
Treenbeen: Is revenge really all you have left now? less than a minute ago
Dr. Belch: ...and playing the "bad boy" didn't go over too well, even if the fans dug it. So really, I don't know where I belong. 5 minutes ago
Dr. Belch: Yes. Yes, it is. 5 minutes ago
_: You should talk to someone about whether you are on the autistic spectrum. 3 minutes ago
Nonnymouse: Dr Belch, it is much, much harder to be a good person and rise above your enemies than it is to sink into bitterness. I am sure you have it in you to be the better person and make something of your life. 3 minutes ago
Nonnymouse: It is worth the struggle when you can look back on your life and say, "Look at how far I've come! Look at what I've accomplished! I've proved all those nay-sayers wrong!" 2 minutes ago
_: What the hell is that cartoon in the "bad boy" link about? Was that "turd as child" thing something you actually talked about, in real life? 1 minute ago
Nonnymouse: I think it is a shame for anyone to become so lost in their anger that they never move past it and give up any chance at making a good life for themselves. 1 minute ago
Treenbeen: Well, you can whine about how much everything sucks all you want, or you can make an effort to do something to fix it. Your call. less than a minute ago
_: Read this, Dr Belch: http://usaspatriot.proboards.com/thread/1083/christian-weston-chandler-real?page=3&scrollTo=313288 1 minute ago
_: It's you, praising Chris-Chan's brother Cole for moving out of a dysfunctional house and seeking counseling. Why not take your own advice? less than a minute ago
Treenbeen: ^^^^^ DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER. a few seconds ago
_: Thx a few seconds ago
Nonnymouse: I really don't understand his explanation about his control of his money.... a few seconds ago
Nonnymouse: I don't want to insult him, but he seems very passive. 1 minute ago
Treenbeen: Beyond passive. It seems like he won't do anything about... anything. Lost a job, so quit working. Lost a girl, so stopped trying. Lost the paper gig, so quit writing. Lost some money, so quit handling money at all. Etc. etc. 2 minutes ago
Nonnymouse: I wonder if he is depressed. giving up after every set back is the kind of thing the depressed people I know have done. a few seconds ago
Nonnymouse: The depression makes them think it's impossible to get past certain obstacles, so they just stop trying. less than a minute ago
_: His home situation seems very bad. The way he describes his house, it seems that he has a boarded-up window and water coming in the roof. That can't be good for his laryngitis. less than a minute ago
_: I might give him a hard time a bit, but actually I wish he'd pull out of it and better himself. He has some potential. a few seconds ago
Treenbeen: I was wondering about depression also, but I doubt he'd be so hostile towards those who have it if he was. less than a minute ago
Treenbeen: I can say though, I have depression, and I've had many similar experiences to the one's he's had... but I move on. a few seconds ago
Nonnymouse: If he doesn't have a good support system in place, it might be difficult for him to cope with things. And it doesn't sound like he has very much support at home. 3 minutes ago
Treenbeen: That's true. 3 minutes ago

 

[Holdek]

He also seemed confused that a group of diverse people might have different opinions about things.

Yeah, this is what I was referring to when I mentioned his lack of theory of mind. He seems to view different people all as one "other," when in fact they are distinct with opinions that sometimes agree, sometimes differ, and sometimes overlap to a limited extent, and all coming from different personalities and experiences.

Kind of like how Chris lumps everyone he doesn't like into "the trolls" operating out of The GAMe PLACe as a hub.

 

[Le Bateleur]

Yeah, this is what I was referring to when I mentioned his lack of theory of mind. He seems to view different people all as one "other," when in fact they are distinct with opinions that sometimes agree, sometimes differ, and sometimes overlap to a limited extent, and all coming from different personalities and experiences.

Kind of like how Chris lumps everyone he doesn't like into "the trolls" operating out of The Game Place as a hub.

I genuinely think Sweet has some degree of autism.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

I wonder - when that cop paid the store a visit to question Iconoclast on the store trafficking in stolen goods - did he say something along the lines of "stop right there criminal scum" and "your stolen goods are now forfeit"?

Seriously though, as others have kind of pointed out, Iconoclast's life has apparently been defined by grudges ever since half past 1997. Probably longer. Those "wanted" posters he posts and are probably still there after all these years are evidence of that.

 

[He Sets Me On Fire]

Holdek and Treenbeen going for the throat ('cuz going for the balls is a complete waste of time)!

You guys are honest, fair, and straightforward. And what do we get from Sweet?

"So in answer to your question, I don't know, okay? There are rules. I've learned you don't question the rules."

You know, this is really interesting. Jon usually has no end of elaborate theories to justify his anger, misery, and lack of accomplishment - when he's writing for himself, like on a blog. When he is pressed by others to explain himself, all of a sudden, there are rules. Vague, unexplained rules of such obscure and inexplicable nature that Jon cannot even explain why he can't control his money because of them.

I think _:'s theory is dead-on accurate:

"Once Dr Belch was jailed for a violent crime, the court ordered his mother to take charge of his disability payments."

Hey, uh, something else. According to Jon:

" ...when he got caught, my brother just pitched a fit and tried to punish us for punishing him. We came back to find a knife stuck in his bedroom door and him running around the yard in his underwear flipping the hell out. I tried to deal with him, and basically it ended up with the neighbors trying to pull us apart and both of us going to jail for assault charges." (2015)

Likewise, according to Jon:

"In truth, I am damn glad to see 2011 over. Last summer was perhaps the lowest point ever of my life. On Aug 1 I discovered my idiot brother had stolen my checks behind my back and drained my bank account. While I was in town sorting out this mess, I found Capt. Stupid had also swiped my computer monitor and hidden it in his room. The door was locked, and taped to it was a gibbering, incoherent note filled with expletives. He refused to return my computer and, all while I was bringing in groceries, he was dancing around me, waving a large stick and ranting, "You want a wa-uhh? You got a wa-uhh" (apparently that's Stupidese for "war").


Well, I finally got fed up. I confronted him with my own weapon, a large metal bar I had secreted under my bed the last time His Stupidness threatened me, and attempted to beat some sense into his thick, empty head. Long story short, we were both arrested on attempted domestic assault charges. I served ten days in county and I had to appear before the bench in seven weeks." (2012)

Anybody see some wildly inconsistent details in these two versions of the story?

Thanks to everybody for keeping up with the shoutbox. Here's my little contribution:

Treenbeen: Beyond passive. It seems like he won't do anything about... anything. Lost a job, so quit working. Lost a girl, so stopped trying. Lost the paper gig, so quit writing. Lost some money, so quit handling money at all. Etc. etc. 3 hours ago
Nonnymouse: I wonder if he is depressed. giving up after every set back is the kind of thing the depressed people I know have done. 3 hours ago
Nonnymouse: The depression makes them think it's impossible to get past certain obstacles, so they just stop trying. 3 hours ago
_: His home situation seems very bad. The way he describes his house, it seems that he has a boarded-up window and water coming in the roof. That can't be good for his laryngitis. 3 hours ago
_: I might give him a hard time a bit, but actually I wish he'd pull out of it and better himself. He has some potential. 3 hours ago
Treenbeen: I was wondering about depression also, but I doubt he'd be so hostile towards those who have it if he was. 3 hours ago
Treenbeen: I can say though, I have depression, and I've had many similar experiences to the one's he's had... but I move on. 3 hours ago
Nonnymouse: If he doesn't have a good support system in place, it might be difficult for him to cope with things. And it doesn't sound like he has very much support at home. 3 hours ago
Treenbeen: That's true. 3 hours ago
Dr. Belch: "Was that "turd as child" thing something you actually talked about, in real life?" No, that was based on something Howard Stern did. Although I did try to emulate Stern back in the day. about an hour ago *
Dr. Belch: I grew my hair out, bought some flipover shades, even dressed like The King of All Media. I had a great column once about a pee jar ... got a lot of mail on that one. about an hour ago *
Dr. Belch: Treenbeen: Don't confuse my story about "that night" with their version of my story. They deliberately alter and confuse details to make me sound lying and inconsistent. It's a ploy. They can't even agree whether or not my ex was a troll. about an hour ago *
Dr. Belch: I wonder what I have to say to get them backpedalling and saying "Okay! Okay! Duhh! We was wrong! She lubbed yee-oo! She lubbed yee-oo!" about an hour ago
Treenbeen: I was referring to different times I have seen YOU tell the story. about an hour ago
Marty McFly: Still haven't answered our question on why you can't control your finances when your brother is away. about an hour ago
Dr. Belch: You're possibly confusing the 1992 attack story with the 2011 check theft story--that one involved a metal post. And I don't even tell it that often, anyhow. It was painful enough without your new friends turning it into something even uglier. about an hour ago
Dr. Belch: But then, that's the nature of liberalism-- pervert and twist everything it touches. Turn the beautiful hideous. Ruin every success. Downplay every accomplishment. Amp up every little mistake. This nation would be far better off w/out progressive ideology. about an hour ago
Treenbeen: It has nothing to do with political views. At all. 33 minutes ago
Dr. Belch: Oh, I think it does. Why are these people trying to keep me down, then? What do they care how I live my life? How is it hurting them in any way? 19 minutes ago
Professor Gas: Only one keeping you down is you, champ. 12 minutes ago
HSMOF: "Dr. Belch: I wonder what I have to say to get them backpedalling and saying "Okay! Okay! Duhh! We was wrong! She lubbed yee-oo! She lubbed yee-oo!" Oh, I dunno, Belch. Maybe something like a picture of you two together holding hands. 9 minutes ago
HSMOF: Talking about the dates you went on, the movies you saw together. You know, acting like a couple instead of just having "spank sessions", as you called them, on the phone. Feb 20, 2015 at 11:40am
HSMOF: You've provided no evidence that you've had any legitimate romantic relationships at all. Like, ever. So there's that. 7 minutes ago
HSMOF: Oh, and I agree with Treenbeen - Don't try to hide behind your political rhetoric. It's obvious what you're trying to do.

Oh, and about the turd baby thing - Sweet is terribly unoriginal. That comic he put up about his brother stealing his checks? Total ripoff of an MGM cartoon. There's absolutely nothing original about any of the gags at all. It's not an homage, he just ripped everything off.

 

[Holdek]

If I remember correctly, it was his mother's boyfriend's hardware store and Iconoclast was just unpaid help. Either he was babysitting or being babysat.

Jon claims he was there to "keep an eye on things" for his mother, but knowing what you know about him, do you think that's realistic? I'm sure that's what his mother told him, and that he believed it, but it seems fairly obvious to me that one of the conditions of her investment in the store was that Jon be given something to do there because it would be better than him sitting at home watching cartoons and farting all day.

I don't think he's ever been very clear about why the business failed. One version was that the lawnmower was stolen and the police came to ask about it. Another version is the one he's presented in the chatbox about his brother asking for money, driving the boyfriend away. Then again, I'm not sure how far I'd go in believing Sweetness. Didn't he say that he wanted to introduce dime candy into the hardware store?

That's probably because Jon has no idea why the business failed. And yes, Jon wanted to sell all kinds of unrelated crap in the store, which Dale didn't allow; he even wanted to have a window display to sell his comic books. He wasn't an investor, and he didn't receive a paycheck, so I'm not sure why he thinks Dale even owes him any explanation for why he left town.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Iconoclast tried to sell Belch Dimension in the store? Is this something he admitted on that patriot board?

 

[He Sets Me On Fire]

Jon claims he was there to "keep an eye on things" for his mother, but knowing what you know about him, do you think that's realistic? I'm sure that's what his mother told him, and that he believed it, but it seems fairly obvious to me that one of the conditions of her investment in the store was that Jon be given something to do there because it would be better than him sitting at home watching cartoons and farting all day.



That's probably because Jon has no idea why the business failed. And yes, Jon wanted to sell all kinds of unrelated crap in the store, which Dale didn't allow; he even wanted to have a window display to sell his comic books. He wasn't an investor, and he didn't receive a paycheck, so I'm not sure why he thinks Dale even owes him any explanation for why he left town.

He seems to think Dale owes him money as well. Remember this peach from his da account?

I mean I will literally make them pay...as in money. A lot of it. Between the legal settlement I expect to get from The ASU Herald and what my former partner owes me (since he never officially terminated me before relocating and opening his shop in 2012, I have technically been a employee of the firm all this time and figure I am owed a significant amount of back pay), I should be able to set myself up nicely. I only hope this fight doesn't drag on too long in court-- I don't have the patience to deal with these morons any more than I need to.

Huh. Morons, Jon? No kiddin'.

 

[Holdek]

What I missed: Treenbeen giving Sweetness shit about shaming depressed people, Dr. Belch says it's the same thing as when people bring up his mom being attacked, Treenbeen points out that people don't choose to be depressed, Belch doesn't see the difference

Caution: Lots of content

Thanks for capturing this for review.

Props go out to @Treenbeen for pushing back against the stigmatization of clinical depression, as well as, and in addition to Nonnymouse and _, for trying to get some answers from Jon that make at least a lick of sense.

Oh, and also, for anyone concerned about Jon's plans to stalk Ashleigh, ruin Dale's business, or beat his brother's head in with a lead pipe, fear not, for while there's a certain animal cunning to this man that cannot be discointed, it's tempered with a hideously naive, narrow world view, so we can rest easy that his schemes will invariably come to naught.*

 

[Trombonista]

100 pages... are any of his comics that long?

 

[He Sets Me On Fire]

Oh, and also, for anyone concerned about Jon's plans to stalk Ashleigh, ruin Dale's business, or beat his brother's head in with a lead pipe, fear not, for while there's a certain animal cunning to this man that cannot be discointed, it's tempered with a hideously naive, narrow world view, so we can rest easy that his schemes will invariably come to naught.*

I can't winner that enough!

 

[ToroidalBoat]

the stigmatization of clinical depression

I wasn't even aware that having depression was seen as a stigma until and when Iconoclast apparently tried to use that to his advantage.

 

[The I Scream Man]

I wasn't even aware that having depression was seen as a stigma until and when Iconoclast apparently tried to use that to his advantage.

It really isn't, at least not by my reckoning, because everybody's experienced it at one point or another, right? I mean shit I've been depressed before, and although I wouldn't be a repugnant little turd and use it as some sort of weapon to beat it's sufferer over the head with, I would also have the "oh yeah there's a thing that I experienced once, so therefore I should empathize with that person" bit to fall back on.

Therefore I can conclude that Jon Thumb is not in fact capable of empathy. Not that this was how I discovered it of course.

 

[MrsFrizzle]

Mr. Sweet's viewpoint on mental health issues is half-past 1896.

 

[Treenbeen]

His views on mental health are about as valid as most of his arguments: not at all.

 

[Adamska]

Dr. Belch: There was no time to react. They didn't just stand there and wait for me. By the time I got to the door it was all over. Besides, if I had actually attacked and managed to hurt one of them, do you not think they would have come back looking for revenge?

Treenbeen covered what I was going to say on this one. This is the fourth or fifth incarnation that Jon Thumb has written on this matter. This is pretty solid proof that this is a lie. Either this is a partial fabrication where the worst elements of his details on himself during the incident are true, or a total lie that he uses as a reason to hate the black man. Even though they invented amazing things like the traffic light, super soakers, elevator doors, gas masks, and air conditioning.

Dr. Belch: You've never grown up in a black neighborhood, have you? You don't know these people. I do.

As a person whose first friends tended to be black due to the area I grew up in, I happily disagree with this notion hard. As can any African-Americans and the like on this webzone. Plus, you can't say this when you made the town in your comic be called Jiggaboo Junction.

Dr. Belch: As for what I said to Holly, if you're trapped in a house with a deranged psychopath he doesn't let you have things. For me it was a cellphone. For Holly it would be his meds.

Yep, keep hammering home how oppressed you are. Even though escape from this scenario is easier than one of Dr. Evil's death traps. Also nice job shittalking people with depression you piece of trash.

Dr. Belch: Not racism, just fact. Same reason that kid caused me so much trouble at Dale's. I couldn't do anything against him because he happened to be black. Dale wouldn't listen to me when I said he was bad news. He gave me the same dopey tolerance speech.

He obviously caused trouble. Oh wait, he just windowshopped and loitered, like what a lot of kids like to do due to no allowance. People can do that fine. The only bad thing this youth (because remember, he's only 12 or so) is sell the shop parts from a stolen piece of a equipment.

Dr. Belch: Guess what? We almost got shut down. I had to go above and beyond in my managerial duties that day to talk the cops out of arresting us for trafficking in stolen goods. And was that worm Dale grateful? Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

If you were a manager, this is normal. If you were just the help (and your details seem to imply this), you technically impersonated the owner at a crime scene. Lovely.

Dr. Belch: Leave and go where? I only understand the ASU model. I couldn't find a lawyer to take my case against the Herald, and I didn't have enough saved up to rebuild it on the outside. 6 minutes ago

Living in a shitty college dorm room and chasing underage ass. It's the only way of life apparently.

Dr. Belch: My job was setting up window displays, helping customers, and doing inventory... not cleaning up after Dale's stupidity. 4 minutes ago

So you were basically the stockboy at this shop. Not exactly managerial duties. A manager is supposed to check in on the workforce, manage the finances and inventory themselves, deal with payroll, and guide the workflow. This lends further credence that your mom just got you a spot to get you out of the house since you're a lazy welfare leech.

Dr. Belch: Yes, I was. I managed the shop when Dale was out on buying trips. What, do you have to deal with cops coming around wanting to question your boss on your job? Is that normal?

No seriously, this reads like Chris when he talked about his experiences as a Gym Leader. As in I fully believe he only watched the store when the beau needed to do things otherwise, since you know, he's allegedly an adult.

Dr. Belch: My job was pretty much everything except actually repairing the equipment. I know nothing about mechanical things. I've told the story of how this caused the fight between Dale and me that ended with him skipping town-- the weed whacker guy.

Wait, wasn't the reason he left because your bro took money from him or something? Also why did you get anywhere near a guy with a weed whacker if you know shit all about mechanical devices. The fuck did you do? I need to know more so I can see how badly you're hiding your incompetence/culpability you manchild.

Dr. Belch: But I think Dale was already upset about my brother borrowing money and was just taking it out on me. He screamed at me for half the day, then at quitting time drove off and left me alone to batch in the shop as punishment.

Last time this was the reason. Once again, I'm certain you're lying your face off on the matter.

Dr. Belch: Nonnymouse: I know about day-to-day living (although I have trouble with mechanical things and this modern tech). I just don't get relationships. I liked the ones we had in college-- very casual. It's hard to find those on the outside.

*Squints*

You don't need a girl to live on your own. If you are indeed capable of living day-to-day, and can do all the other things, then there is no reason why you can't just fucking rent out a shitty little apartment away from your allegedly abusive brother. No need to scream at the college either, since this set-up basically allows you to get most things fine. Hell, if you get an apartment, you can actually get that bike I talked about and used that to get to-

Aw fuck, I forgot this is Jon Thumb, professional welfare leech and competitive crying manbaby. I keep forgetting he's too stubborn/fucktarded to try and get a better life.

Dr. Belch: Treenbeen: I know that. But Dale was the boss, and he hated being second-guessed. Whenever I tried to tell him anything, he would pout and threaten to take me home and cut me out of the business. My job was to keep an eye on him, and I guess I failed.

Honestly, I think Dale was the one who needed to keep an eye on you. I mean, he regularly complained about your actions, which means you were not following his policies. In fact, as his employee, you're supposed to follow the company line, or at least go in such a way that it runs counter to the owner.

Methinks his bitching at you was more because you were a lazy little lughead that kept undermining his business.

Dr. Belch: No money. My brother learned how to forge my signature, stole my checks, and drained my bank account. I'm not allowed to control my own fiances, at least until he completes rehab, stays clean for at least a year, and can prove himself trustworthy.

Mah SIDES!

So you're saying that you didn't fucking bother to get your druggie bro, who you HATE, arrested for fraud. You are such a spineless little bitch that you could not even fucking fight him legally over your own welfare money.

One second, I need to sit down and laugh at this buffoonery. I think this finally hit me, just how damn lazy and incompetent he unintentionally paints himself in this regard.

Dr. Belch: Because an unguarded book of checks is too much of a temptation to a (recovering) addict. He's talking about coming back, and Mom is seriously considering it.

So... you keep sobbing about your bro... even though he's currently not inside the house. He is not there and has no capacity to control shit at the moment. The target of your... "fear" is not there anymore, and you can move on in any number of ways.

Dr. Belch: It's just too much of a risk. And by the time the bank figured it out and called me, the damage was done. And when he got caught, my brother just pitched a fit and tried to punish us for punishing him. We came back to find a knife stuck in his bedroom door

And you didn't think to call the po-po because...? No seriously, this can be called in as a domestic disturbance or a threat. He could've been cuffed away. And this still doesn't raise the point on how a debit card could not have been used. Or alternatively, why you don't get one now?

Dr. Belch: and him running around the yard in his underwear flipping the hell out. I tried to deal with him, and basically it ended up with the neighbors trying to pull us apart and both of us going to jail for assault charges.

And this is relevant how? Oh wait, you're trying to sidetrack the guys. Got it.

Dr. Belch: We have to make sure he stays clean. Once the mortgage is paid off and there's more money freed up, I'll bring it up again.

You... you don't know how much you have to pay for mortgage do you? You do know it can take decades, right?!

Dr. Belch: It's complicated... I dramatized it, however, here and here.

I CAN'T BLOODY SEE NOW YOU PIECE OF SHIT! Warn me before you post that eyesore!

Dr. Belch: Of course, I didn't have a dog back in those days. If I had, I might not have wound up in so much trouble.

A dog would totally help in a situation where my druggie brother takes my money. Oh wait no.

Alternatively, a dog would totally help in a situation where both of its owners are fighting. Oh wait, no. Besides, animals seem to hate you Sweets.

Dr. Belch: I had a strongbox filled with checks. He snuck into my room and stole it, thinking it was full of cash, then took it somewhere to pry off the lid. He was caught and sent to jail. The checks were useless to him then...

This amuses me for a variety of reasons. I think the culminating reason was that it demonstrates that rather than learn from this incident, which shows that his bro's habit is bad enough to where he'll steal, he stupidly doesn't come up with a counter measure... like use a Debit card.

Dr. Belch: but after a couple more stints he learned a few new tricks. I got new checks and a new hiding place. He found it and made off with them.

Case in point.

Dr. Belch: So in answer to your question, I don't know, okay? There are rules. I've learned you don't question the rules. No, these were ordinary blank checks, drawn on my bank account. I had a small nest-egg socked away. He cracked it. Now maybe he's sincere about turning his life around, but I can't take chances. I get a small gov't stipend, to help out since we lost our shirt on the shop. Thank you, Dale. I really don't see anything from it except for a small allowance.

I love how his final answer is that there are rules now. This of course is likely a mechanism that he abuses so that he doesn't have to take any responsibility ever. Alternatively, the theory of his mom getting back control over his money seems quite likely too.

And the fact that you can't take chances brings me this point: why should ASU bother to take you back? Why should THEY take any chances with a guy that has admitted to plagiarizing and who acts like a dickbag in front of others?

Dr. Belch: I was a newspaperman. Questioning the rules got me nowhere. They didn't like me being a nice guy, if at times a star-struck fanboy ...and playing the "bad boy" didn't go over too well, even if the fans dug it. So really, I don't know where I belong.

The same campus full of people that got weirded out by you and who pennied your door to try and keep you sealed. Yep, they loved you so much.

Dr. Belch: Treenbeen: Don't confuse my story about "that night" with their version of my story. They deliberately alter and confuse details to make me sound lying and inconsistent. It's a ploy. They can't even agree whether or not my ex was a troll.

Says the man who has made up multiple versions of the 1992 Incident.

Dr. Belch: I wonder what I have to say to get them backpedalling and saying "Okay! Okay! Duhh! We was wrong! She lubbed yee-oo! She lubbed yee-oo!"

Well, the first thing I'd do is not do that very racist parody anymore. From there, actual physical evidence would be nice.

Dr. Belch: But then, that's the nature of liberalism-- pervert and twist everything it touches. Turn the beautiful hideous. Ruin every success. Downplay every accomplishment. Amp up every little mistake. This nation would be far better off w/out progressive ideology.

Says the man who's never worked an honest day in his life and needs big gov'ment to keep himself going. All while shit talking those who are on welfare.

Dr. Belch: Oh, I think it does. Why are these people trying to keep me down, then? What do they care how I live my life? How is it hurting them in any way?

Well that's easy to answer. You have... intrigued us with your attitude and nature. You show to us a person who has all of the means to improve his life, even marginally, and yet does not, all while bitching about his lot in life. You show us the guise of a professional victim, who blames all the wrongs in his life on others, when many are upon himself. You give us an example of fantastic racism rarely seen in this time and age. Not due to our increased sensitivity, but because you are so gauche with your racial humor and opinions that you take race relations back by at least 100 years!

You show to us a person willing to completely fragment the truth of the matter to make himself look in the right, but whose incompetence merely shows the ugliness within that shell. You show us what happens when a person refuses to move on and make something of their life, wasting decades in the process. You show to US, a man who should be eaten by the langoliers for such a rampant urge to return to the past.

What you have done, Johnathan M. Sweet, is become a lolcow par excellance.

_: Read this, Dr Belch: http://usaspatriot.proboards.com/thread/1083/christian-weston-chandler-real?page=3&scrollTo=313288 1 minute ago
_: It's you, praising Chris-Chan's brother Cole for moving out of a dysfunctional house and seeking counseling. Why not take your own advice?

This is officially the best response ever.

 

[MrsFrizzle]

At this point, I'm tempted to phone the woman he identifies as "Ashleigh" and see what her story is. It's only 8 in the evening where she lives, so...

 

[Holdek]

Iconoclast tried to sell Belch Dimension in the store? Is this something he admitted on that patriot board?

He did, might have been in the shoutbox.

Heh, I was just now looking at a post over there where he describes himself as a "former small businessman."