🎨 Artcow Iconoclast / Jonathan Mack Sweet - The Chris-Chan of Arkansas

[Bound2]

Something I think is telling is when lolcows try to explain why people are mocking them.

Iconoclast says:

And as usual, The CWCiki Koalas were snorting mad over my character depicted wearing a Boy Scout kerchief. No surprise, I suppose-- "progressives" see the Scouts as a homophobic and exclusionary paramilitary organization, so little wonder these pinheads looked past the forest and saw that one little knothole in the tree on this one. In a world full of real problems, they are really stretching for something to gibber and gripe about.

He's talking about some of us making fun of him a few pages ago for his bandana of fail. Of course, he gets the details wrong, thinking we were laughing at his comic character rather than the actual picture of him with a boy scouts badge. But what's really interesting is that he thinks this makes us mad. I've read the entire thread and can think of maybe one instance where someone was legitimately angry at something Iconoclast did and it sure as hell wasn't his lame comic.

If I'm gonna guess why he does this, I'd say it's probably a transference thing. Iconoclast is an angry little man but can't express his anger because he is so powerless in his own life (mostly his own doing). So he imagines everyone else as angry at him, at his "revolutionary ideas about turning the world half-past 1997", to justify where he is in his life.

Also, real problems. Like the fact that got fired for a paper years ago and they never said sorry.

 

[DrChristianTroy]

Something I think is telling is when lolcows try to explain why people are mocking them.

Iconoclast says:


He's talking about some of us making fun of him a few pages ago for his bandana of fail. Of course, he gets the details wrong, thinking we were laughing at his comic character rather than the actual picture of him with a boy scouts badge. But what's really interesting is that he thinks this makes us mad. I've read the entire thread and can think of maybe one instance where someone was legitimately angry at something Iconoclast did and it sure as hell wasn't his lame comic.

If I'm gonna guess why he does this, I'd say it's probably a transference thing. Iconoclast is an angry little man but can't express his anger because he is so powerless in his own life (mostly his own doing). So he imagines everyone else as angry at him, at his "revolutionary ideas about turning the world half-past 1997", to justify where he is in his life.

Also, real problems. Like the fact that got fired for a paper years ago and they never said sorry.

What does he mean think the Boy Scouts are a homophobic organization? Doesn't the whole "Kicks out hays for being gay" make it homophobic by definition? Regardless I too love that he thinks we're mad over his shit. Because, like he said, there are real issues and his poorly made comic isn't one.

 

[Le Bateleur]

Sweet is reading everything we post here, and taking little shots back at us in the AJM Studios shoutbox. Lol.

Record below, fuller-featured backup here.

I'm going to respond here, because I'm probably not as diplomatic as Based HSMOF and I don't want to start any incidents between forums.

Firstly - Hoomajocky and Applejack: we know that your website is basically an animation forum, and it was started for a school project, and that you guys also like Minecraft and Grand Theft Auto. Patriot Brony Forum/Bronies for 'Murica is a little joke of mine. I'll be less facetious if it smooths relations between our sites.

Sweet Bro: apologies for my inaccurate reporting over which of your works you posted to Christian Weston Chandler, and thank you for bringing this to my attention. Accuracy is the cornerstone of newpapermanliness; I shall issue a formal correction, as is the way of my people.

In a previous post I stated that Jonathan M Sweet mailed Christian Weston Chandler a copy of The Belch Dimension containing a "Chris Chan" sketch. The item mailed was in fact a trade paperback which did not contain any "Chris Chan" sketch, having been written years before that ish.

Anyone here is welcome to correct me, but I'm confident in stating that nobody on this site is "mad" about your racist comics. We shake our heads, and chuckle at how cringeworthy your racist comics are, but we do not get mad.

As for your defence of your racism as being a generational issue, and your implication that such racism makes one strong rather than weak - I think HSMOF demolishes that pretty well - although I will add that reading a self-confessed coward throwing words like "soft" and "wuss" at others made me smile.

Finally, Sweet chastises us with the words "Do your research, Koalas".

We do. Rest assured, we always do.

If you want to respond to me, or any other Kiwi CWCkwiki Koala, come and do it here, Sweet Bro. We have no wish to disturb your friends at AJM Studios - come and talk with us here, or on your dA.

 

[Durable Mike Malloy]

What does he mean think the Boy Scouts are a homophobic organization? Doesn't the whole "Kicks out hays for being gay" make it homophobic by definition? Regardless I too love that he thinks we're mad over his shit. Because, like he said, there are real issues and his poorly made comic isn't one.

It really is funny that he thinks folks here are getting worked into an angry lather because he supports the BSA's regressive agenda, when in fact people are merely pausing to chuckle at a middle-aged man who expects others to be impressed by an achievement award for little kids.

 

[The I Scream Man]

Honestly the only person I've seen get genuinely angry about Sweetpea is me. I do slightly regret it, because he's not at all worth it, but I stand by my words I wrote that day.

 

[Le Bateleur]

Honestly the only person I've seen get genuinely angry about Sweetpea is me. I do slightly regret it, because he's not at all worth it, but I stand by my words I wrote that day.

If it's any consolation, it sounds like no-one at Sweet Bro's high school could understand him not even trying to help his mother, either. I expect he knows too, deep down, he should have at least tried.

Edit: I'll get the quote later.

 

[The I Scream Man]

If it's any consolation, it sounds like no-one at Sweet Bro's high school could understand him not even trying to help his mother, either. I expect he knows too, deep down, he should have at least tried.

Edit: I'll get the quote later.

Lol yeah that and his casual, blatant racism drove me to the edge...what a horrid little creature, I thought, and when I looked up I had written another goddamn essay. It was kind of cathartic, honestly, since my objective in writing the article has been to maintain objectivity at all costs, which is why it's been very slow going.

 

[MrsFrizzle]

It really is funny that he thinks folks here are getting worked into an angry lather because he supports the BSA's regressive agenda, when in fact people are merely pausing to chuckle at a middle-aged man who expects others to be impressed by an achievement award for little kids.

Yep. I was a Girl Scout, but since I am an adult, I don't wear my Girl Scout regalia.

I think the Girl Scouts are in general a better organization than the Boy Scouts, but that's completely beside the point of why Sweetiekins looks ridiculous in his Boy Scout bandanna. (He himself, not his drawing. How the Christ could anyone tell the difference between a Boy Scout kerchief and an Estonian flag in his terrible, tiny, multiply artifacted drawings?)

Sweets also doesn't understand that sane people can have multifaceted emotions about things. Some of my very favorite people were Boy Scouts and really treasure their memories from that time, while at the same time thinking that the organization's official policies about gay men are illogical and discriminatory.

Also, while I'm typing words into a little box, it continues to creep me out that Sweet characterizes university administrators as being, in effect, pimps. All of his fantasies about his triumphant return to ASU involve administrators setting him up with "nice girls" or assigning him dorm rooms that come complete with sex opportunities.

This is the craziest bullshit imaginable for so many reasons, not least of which is that most university administrators are women around his age or older, none of whom think that getting sex for random skeevos is in their job description.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

casual, blatant racism

I still think it's amazing how his excuse for the racist name of that one fictional town in the comics is that he "just grew up in a bad neighborhood".

Also, if I'm getting this right, Sweet used an old computer running Win98, but he recently upgraded and is having problems trying to figure out the newfangled computational contraption.

 

[Le Bateleur]

Got the high school quote.

Race relations have been a touchy issue for me since the summer of 1992, when a group of African-American* teenagers, without provocation, assaulted my mother right in the driveway of our old home. She was left permanently blinded in one eye from the attack. My senior year was a misery of ignorant kids constantly asking why I didn't do anything to save my mom from that gang of blacks-- as if I was Superman and could run out there and take out four possibly-armed thugs with just a flick of my finger. The day I graduated high school we packed up our car and moved out of Blytheville. I was never so happy to leave a place in my life.

...

I don't hate anyone, but I do live in fear of being victimized. Those four thugs were never caught or identified. The case was officially closed. In some small way the Brown case provides me with a measure of vindication--a young urban thug was identified, publicly named, and summarily dealt with. Harshly? Perhaps. Would you rather the cop had blown out his knee with his service revolver and left some kid maybe crippled for life? Or beaten him into a brain-damaged lump with his billy club? Would you really "fight back" if a cop pulled his gun on you, doll? How about a criminal? If a kid who looked like Brown or Trayvon Martin came up on the street and pulled a piece on you, would you be so keen on fighting back then? Do you really believe the gentle giant was justified in grabbing the gun and striking the officer? Well, by that logic, if I actually had the physical presence about me to wrestle the gun away from my attacker and pin him down to the pavement, I could shove the barrel down his throat and ventilate the back of the d-bag's skull four or five times, and it would be perfectly legal. Right?

You might have noticed how frequently my comic shows young African-American toughs flaunting the law and preying on white people --that's why. It's how I lived and how I was taught. I never knew the names of my mom's attackers or what they looked like. They could still be out there somewhere, still doing this to other people. That's why I' have vowed to make sure that when someone hurts me, everyone knows who they are, so they can never get away with it again.

*A phrase we were obliged to use back in my newspaperman days and which I despise to this very day, used here ironically.

(Source, backup)

He just doesn't get it. I don't expect anyone was wondering why he didn't run out and win a fight against four other teenagers. If I were one of his high school classmates I would want to know why he didn't run out there and at least shield his mother's body with his own.

Not ever having been in the situation he describes, I can't say definitely how I would react. What I do know is that if I didn't run out and at least try to protect my mother, I would feel ashamed and admit I had been a coward that day.

Notice too how Sweet describes the killing of Michael Brown as providing him with "a measure of vindication" - the black youths who beat his mother were never caught, but another black youth getting shot allows Sweet to feel better. It's very similar to how he projects the faults of a girl who trolled him onto the first victim of the Virginia Tech shooter, and takes an unpleasant satisfaction in her death.

Sweet is so cowardly and weak that he has to wait for tragic events to project his revenge fantasies onto. I feel quite sorry for him, to be honest.

***

Finally - new content, quintessentially Sweetian, on why he never learned to drive.

I did okay on the written test, but I never followed through with it. I had kind of a surreal experience my first time learning to drive over 20 years ago, you see. My mom took me way out in the boonies that afternoon to take my lesson, and as I started the car a pack of mangy-looking farm dogs surrounded me and made sort of a circle around the vehicle, going around slowly, watching me, yapping. Swear to God, it was like a scene straight from a horror picture. I couldn't move without risking hitting one of them. After a while the dogs went back to wherever they came from, but I was so shaken up I couldn't go through with it. It was like a sign, or something. So I never got behind the wheel again. Plus, as I've noted, my eyes aren't that good. My glasses have no earpieces and they fall off my nose if I look straight down. I lose them a lot. I have no peripheral vision at all. In college it was never an issue, what with everything in walking distance and parking a nightmare anyhow... nowadays, if I need to be somewhere, I'll ask someone for a ride or maybe spring for a cab. My little joke is, I have all my enemies' addresses memorized and a lot of spare time on my hands these days-- would it really be a good idea for me to go off driving by myself?

(Source, backup)

There we have it - a perfectly reasonable explanation. He never learned to drive because of a pack of scary, scary dogs...and also broken glasses.

You know who did learn to drive, and found ways to both cheaply fix his broken glasses and prevent them getting lost?

Spoiler

 

[Francis York Morgan]

It is astounding how proactive Sweets makes CWC look by comparison.

 

[MrsFrizzle]

Does he ever write about his sister?

 

[Le Bateleur]

Does he ever write about his sister?

Does he have a sister? I've seen him mention two brothers, and an ex sister-in-law who used to live in the same house as Sweet and his mother, but I can't remember him mentioning a sister.

 

[The I Scream Man]

Does he have a sister? I've seen him mention two brothers, and an ex sister-in-law who used to live in the same house as Sweet and his mother, but I can't remember him mentioning a sister.

Yes, according to hoarded cox he has a sister.

 

[MrsFrizzle]

Does he have a sister? I've seen him mention two brothers, and an ex sister-in-law who used to live in the same house as Sweet and his mother, but I can't remember him mentioning a sister.

R. is his ex-sister-in-law? Thanks. That makes a number of things less confusing.

B. seems like an upstanding citizen type, actually. His daughter is cute (as is T.'s daughter). And maybe T. will beat addiction. Hope so, if only for Mum Sweet's sake.

I'm oddly haunted by having taken a quick look at the family's social media in the course of figuring out who's related to whom. The mum seems like a kind lady who loves her grandkids and has lots of friends; one brother has a worthwhile job and lots of friends (of all ethnicities); the other brother is having a tough time with the drugs stuff and is pretty open about that. Just a regular family dealing with some serious reversals and challenges without a lot of money or connections and finding happy moments when they can. Then there's this giant sack of bitterness and sloth, high on delusions, dreaming his life away and whining on the Internet. In some ways that seems like it could be harder for a family to deal with than addiction.

My wish for Mr. Sweet is that he could have some insight into how he's making his mum's life harder. She seems like someone who deserves better.

 

[Bound2]

CB

: Stop it. Just stop it. Everyone stop it.

Trollis: It will stop when Belch stops being the coward he is and go back to their forum and continue it all there..... but we all know that will never happen, because Belch dosen't have the guts to do it.

Dr. Belch: I tried that. All I got was another three dozen pages of "DERE NUH SISTIM! DERE NUH SISTIM!"

Dr. Belch: despite the previous three dozen pages telling me everything I ever loved in college was a lie, such as what you would find in, oh, I don't know... a System?! You say there's a lie but you won't acknowledge the presence of liars. How does that work?

Does anyone speak moron? I'm a bit lost here.

Is his implication supposed to be that lies only exist in systems? Or is he saying that since most Kiwis have questioned his version of the events of the day, there must be a mass conspiracy at work and not, say, a not-particularly-observant man who tends to remember only selective things?

Also, Sweetness, we recognize the presence of liars. That's why we keep calling you out on yours.

 

[The I Scream Man]

Also, Sweetness, we recognize the presence of liars. That's why we keep calling you out on yours.

This right here is what he fails to understand. We acknowledge the presence of a liar, singular. It's you, Jon Sweet. You are lying to yourself.

You know, I will concede one thing: from a certain point of view, it would appear that Universities have a system in place. But it's a system of learning and education, and it really doesn't govern social interaction at all, except when the ability of other students to function is threatened. You said yourself that you were difficult and irascible, right? So why are you so surprised that you paid the price for your actions?

Put another way, pretend that there was a color that you saw for the first time. It was beautiful, and you had no words to describe it! Until someone came along and told you it was called "purple". We are in a similar position, here, in that we are telling you that all that stuff you thought you understood in college wasn't really like that. Girls didn't just randomly invite themselves up to guys' rooms for anonymous sex, no matter how much it appeared that way. There were (and are) certainly no government or state, or even collegiate, agencies that facilitated relationships of that nature between students.

Basically what @Bound2 said: your memory is selective, and you didn't have the whole picture of the situations you encountered because you weren't intellectually curious enough to find out the truth of the matter. Every day I see more and more evidence that you are Christian Weston Chandler, in mind body and soul. You embody and embrace the deadly sins, just as he does, and you refuse to accept the consequences of your actions, just as he does. And you are reaping what you've sown, just as he has: sometimes scorn and ridicule from the people only you believe to be your peers (because lets face it, we are your superiors in word and deed), sometimes embarrassment as you watch your siblings get farther and farther ahead of you and you languish farther and farther behind, and sometimes...

Sometimes nothing at all. Sometimes you get nothing because you refuse to fucking try, dude. The thing with the press packs is the latest example: we all know that no newspaper or media organization gives a shit about you because there's no money in it, you're not newsworthy at all because you don't fucking do anything! Christ sakes you expect people to come to you and lavish you with praise and attention so as to fulfill your dreams without showing yourself worthy of any such attention. MAN OH MAN WHERE HAVE WE HEARD THIS STORY BEFORE?

 

[John Titor]

Sweet is reading everything we post here, and taking little shots back at us in the AJM Studios shoutbox. Lol.

Record below, fuller-featured backup here.
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I'm going to respond here, because I'm probably not as diplomatic as Based HSMOF and I don't want to start any incidents between forums.

Firstly - Hoomajocky and Applejack: we know that your website is basically an animation forum, and it was started for a school project, and that you guys also like Minecraft and Grand Theft Auto. Patriot Brony Forum/Bronies for 'Murica is a little joke of mine. I'll be less facetious if it smooths relations between our sites.

Sweet Bro: apologies for my inaccurate reporting over which of your works you posted to Christian Weston Chandler, and thank you for bringing this to my attention. Accuracy is the cornerstone of newpapermanliness; I shall issue a formal correction, as is the way of my people.

In a previous post I stated that Jonathan M Sweet mailed Christian Weston Chandler a copy of The Belch Dimension containing a "Chris Chan" sketch. The item mailed was in fact a trade paperback which did not contain any "Chris Chan" sketch, having been written years before that ish.

Anyone here is welcome to correct me, but I'm confident in stating that nobody on this site is "mad" about your racist comics. We shake our heads, and chuckle at how cringeworthy your racist comics are, but we do not get mad.

As for your defence of your racism as being a generational issue, and your implication that such racism makes one strong rather than weak - I think HSMOF demolishes that pretty well - although I will add that reading a self-confessed coward throwing words like "soft" and "wuss" at others made me smile.

Finally, Sweet chastises us with the words "Do your research, Koalas".

We do. Rest assured, we always do.

If you want to respond to me, or any other Kiwi CWCkwiki Koala, come and do it here, Sweet Bro. We have no wish to disturb your friends at AJM Studios - come and talk with us here, or on your dA.

Iconoclast's generation also treated Asians like crap, funny how that works huh?

EDIT: Also, Stan Lee was from a generation before his where caricatures were even more offensive; Stan Lee, who unlike Iconoclast isn't stuck in the past, would agree that they are unacceptable in modern times.

It really is funny that he thinks folks here are getting worked into an angry lather because he supports the BSA's regressive agenda, when in fact people are merely pausing to chuckle at a middle-aged man who expects others to be impressed by an achievement award for little kids.

What's funnier is how he links your post that has his photo in it somehow thinks you're talking about his cartoon and how he automatically assumes you have something against the Boy Scouts just because you could identify the emblem.

 

[He Sets Me On Fire]

So anyway, my boss in those days was a fellow named Mark Berky. He tells me I have the chops to be a great columnist. I wrote a piece on Ross Perot that ran exactly one month before election day. I was promised a cartoon with it, but the day my piece ran I made the mistake of cussing out a photog who used an overbright flash on me. That dippy cunt got me suspended two weeks and cost me my shot at the big time. I've never forgiven her.

This was back in 2004. Since Jon's never expressed any remorse about it (soo-prize soo-prize), I feel it's appropriate to discuss here.

The first part of this excerpt seemed kind of irrelevant to me at first, as it had nothing to do with his later behavior - and then I realized something. If Sweet's word is to be believed, there was someone at the paper willing to give him a chance. Someone who saw talent and potential in his work. Jon wrote a piece, and it ran. A path to success appeared to open before him -

And then, poof, he behaves like a childish dipshit. He cussed out a photographer. What was the photographer's crime? Using an "overbright flash" when taking Jon's picture.

Of course, there's no such thing as an 'overbright' flash. Perhaps Sweet meant that the flash was "overly bright". In which case .... It's a FLASH. It's SUPPOSED to be bright! He was a fucking adult! Shake head, blink, and a couple of seconds later he'd have been okay. Swearing at a photographer because she used a flash? Good grief!

Oh, but we're not done, Jon Sweet's Blame Game still has another round to go. After his vulgar display of immaturity, the photographer - a woman - apparently reported Jon for his outburst (although whether she did or not isn't made clear; we may be seeing more of Sweet's conspiratorial thinking here). He then got suspended for two weeks from the job (out of six months, mind).

He's never forgiven that "dippy cunt" since.

Okay, so, here we've got this insanely overreactive, foul-mouthed manchild, blasting a photographer for just doing her job, and we see that, years later, Jon was willing to use one of the most hateful invectives you could toss at a woman because he was punished for his objectively bad behavior. Moreover, something was working out for him at the time. He was making actual progress, and then acts like a retarded gibbon, ruining his chances, only to blame it all on someone else.

No remorse, no reflection, no admission of wrongdoing. Jon shit in his own soup and blames the chef for the taste. There's The System for ya.

 

[WWWWolf]

And then, poof, he behaves like a childish dipshit. He cussed out a photographer. What was the photographer's crime? Using an "overbright flash" when taking Jon's picture.

Of course, there's no such thing as an 'overbright' flash. Perhaps Sweet meant that the flash was "overly bright". In which case .... It's a FLASH. It's SUPPOSED to be bright! He was a fucking adult! Shake head, blink, and a couple of seconds later he'd have been okay. Swearing at a photographer because she used a flash? Good grief!

[photosperg]
Many electronic flashes can be dialed to lower intensity, or aimed away from the subject so that the subject is illuminated by scattered light. Though these techniques mostly apply to studio photography. News photographers probably don't do this shit, they need small, easily portable gear and often need to take photos really quickly without extensive preparation. Also, as a photographer I really don't give a flying damn if you, as the subject of the photograph, think the flash is too bright. It's only "too bright" if it washes out colour detail in the photo or fucks up the shadows.
[/photosperg]
tl;dr: For a newspapesman, the guy shows some lack of knowledge of the realities of the field. Again.