🎨 Artcow Iconoclast / Jonathan Mack Sweet - The Chris-Chan of Arkansas

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The_Iconoclast said:
Or, here's another thought: failing eyesight. I need new glasses desperately, and my depth perception is slightly out of whack. This might explain to some degree my eccentric panel structure (and why I crash into doorjambs so much). That page Fyre posts uses negative space to create an effect ...fine, sure, it's good, but not my style. I like bright colors and wild cartoonish poses. Somebody compared my art to Snuffy Smith? Okay, I downloaded a few of those cartoons--not bad. They do quite a lot with limited animation, actually. Sometimes my text runs on a bit long--big deal. I never had any formal training in ass-THE-tics and compuh-SI-shun. Blah-blah-blah-yibbeddy-yibbeddy-blah. I usu. emulate what I see in the commercial comics, so if you want to pin it on someone, blame them.
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A little late to use your eyesight as an excuse. I really don't know what the point of linking those people's work was because they know a whole lot about composition than you do. If you're emulating them, you're not doing a good job at that either.

And you sound like you do have the option to live elsewhere but you don't want to for the dumbest reasons. I don't know about everybody else but I rather deal with rules and regulations instead of an abusive household in the middle of nowhere. Can anybody vouch for his complaints about city life because I never heard of them before?
 
Responsibility is one thing; blame is another. Progressive ideologues can't tell the difference.

I don't control my life anymore. I believe America has gotten too comfortable with the idea of change. Change brings rules. Rules cause mistakes. Mistakes mean punishment. Punishment means loss of rights and privileges, screaming, beatings, and torture. Who needs it? I'd like to work on a project like what Harvey Weinstein plans to do for gun control, except with change. We need to take down the "hope and change" philosophy" before it kills America. We need to teach kids to run from that horrible, dangerous thinking.
 
The_Iconoclast said:
Responsibility is one thing; blame is another. Progressive ideologues can't tell the difference.

I don't control my life anymore. I believe America has gotten too comfortable with the idea of change. Change brings rules. Rules cause mistakes. Mistakes mean punishment. Punishment means loss of rights and privileges, screaming, beatings, and torture. Who needs it? I'd like to work on a project like what Harvey Weinstein plans to do for gun control, except with change. We need to take down the "hope and change" philosophy" before it kills America. We need to teach kids to run from that horrible, dangerous thinking.
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thats fucking retarded
 
The_Iconoclast said:
Liberals are poopy heads.

Mommy doesn't let me spend money how I want and it's all America's fault. The world changes and it frightens me. Murica.
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Brevity and wit. Someone pass me my Pulitzer.

People shouldn't blame others. By the way the 90's school newspaper and SNL destroyed my life and I couldn't do a single thing to improve it.

Can't believe I almost missed that one.
 
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The_Iconoclast said:
Responsibility is one thing; blame is another. Progressive ideologues can't tell the difference.

I don't control my life anymore. I believe America has gotten too comfortable with the idea of change. Change brings rules. Rules cause mistakes. Mistakes mean punishment. Punishment means loss of rights and privileges, screaming, beatings, and torture. Who needs it? I'd like to work on a project like what Harvey Weinstein plans to do for gun control, except with change. We need to take down the "hope and change" philosophy" before it kills America. We need to teach kids to run from that horrible, dangerous thinking.
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There have always been rules. Change just brings a different set of rules.

One of the biggest things that changes after college is the amount of responsibility we are expected to accept. There aren't more rules now it's just that we are held accountable.
 
So what we have here is just another liberal on the dole. Strange that he should pretend to be some sort of ultraconservative when he's so obviously not. I bet he even voted for Obama!
 
The_Iconoclast said:
If anything the critics inspire me more. Also, never tell me I can't have something, or I'm not good enough to have something what I want. I will get it anyway it just to spite you.
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Yep. Fuck the critics. Being hung up in your basement all day, bitterly obsessing about minor life issues that occurred a decade ago sure is showing the world you're an achiever.
 
As a conservative (progressive and socially liberal!) I have to say that accepting any kind of state welfare is something I have never done and would avoid doing at all costs. Only for the truly needy (and large corporations).
 
THE WORLD SUCKS. BUT I'M AFRAID OF CHANGE BECAUSE THEN I HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A NEW TARGET TO BLAME ALL MY LIFE'S PROBLEMS ON!

SO I'LL JUST SIT HERE CHIMPING OUT, NOT CHANGING, NOT GROWING, NOT PROGRESSING. I'LL JUST REGRESS BACK INTO MY SHELL BECAUSE IT'S EASIER TO BLAME EVERYBODY ELSE FOR LIFE'S HURDLES THAN TRY JUMP OVER THEM MYSELF.

IN FACT, I'M GOING TO CUT OFF MY LEGS SO I CAN'T JUMP OVER THE HURDLES. THAT'LL SHOW YOU ALL HOW RIGHT I AM. THAT'LL SHOW YOU ALL!

They said I was MAD! A-AHAHAHAH-HAHAHAHA :stupid:
 
Adapt or die. It's a simple principle of nature. If you can't adapt to a changed environment, you go extinct. You could learn a lesson from that.
 
The_Iconoclast said:
Responsibility is one thing; blame is another. Progressive ideologues can't tell the difference.

I don't control my life anymore. I believe America has gotten too comfortable with the idea of change. Change brings rules. Rules cause mistakes. Mistakes mean punishment. Punishment means loss of rights and privileges, screaming, beatings, and torture. Who needs it? I'd like to work on a project like what Harvey Weinstein plans to do for gun control, except with change. We need to take down the "hope and change" philosophy" before it kills America. We need to teach kids to run from that horrible, dangerous thinking.
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Wow, you are a literal man-child.
 
The_Iconoclast said:
Responsibility is one thing; blame is another. Progressive ideologues can't tell the difference.

I don't control my life anymore. I believe America has gotten too comfortable with the idea of change. Change brings rules. Rules cause mistakes. Mistakes mean punishment. Punishment means loss of rights and privileges, screaming, beatings, and torture. Who needs it? I'd like to work on a project like what Harvey Weinstein plans to do for gun control, except with change. We need to take down the "hope and change" philosophy" before it kills America. We need to teach kids to run from that horrible, dangerous thinking.
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isn't you being a pedo brony furry already dangerous thinking?
 
The_Iconoclast said:
Responsibility is one thing; blame is another. Progressive ideologues can't tell the difference.

I don't control my life anymore. I believe America has gotten too comfortable with the idea of change. Change brings rules. Rules cause mistakes. Mistakes mean punishment. Punishment means loss of rights and privileges, screaming, beatings, and torture. Who needs it? I'd like to work on a project like what Harvey Weinstein plans to do for gun control, except with change. We need to take down the "hope and change" philosophy" before it kills America. We need to teach kids to run from that horrible, dangerous thinking.
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You sound like a cartoonish villain at this rate, Iconoclast.
 
The_Iconoclast said:
Do not ever compare me to Chris. I have a far better work ethic that he has ever shown. I'm going into season ten of my series, and he can barely cough out ten issues before he whined about the trolls and silly Internet cartoons killing his inspiration and shuts the hell down. If anything the critics inspire me more.
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I obviously didn't like Sonichu comic, but I thought that coming up with hundreds of pages of stuff was at least worth something. Shows some determination. Same with you and your thousands of pages.

But, you know, having a "work ethic" and lots of determination only goes so far. If your description of work ethic amounts to "I bothered to show up at the workplace every morning for 10 years", it still tells you nothing of the quality of the work.

The critics shouldn't be inspiring you just to stick on the workplace. They should be inspiring you to stick there and do a better job.
I mentioned earlier in the thread how people criticised my webcomic. I took a hiatus because I didn't think I could do the webcomic justice with the resources I had - maybe I'll be better equipped to draw it in years to come. A couple of years ago I wrote a short story I was reasonably proud of, but the critics hated it, so I kept working on it, it's now grown into almost novel size, and now the critics seem to agree it's much better. You'll learn a lot along the way if you're only willing to listen to people.

Don't you think that quality levels should be part of the "work ethic"? You already accused me of endangering your livelihood by writing a bad review, as if you'd be somehow entitled to reap the rewards of of your work merely by completing something. I can't think of any industry that doesn't have some sort of quality control in place, and even in the worst case, the quality control should lie in the hands of the consumers - word will eventually spread that some products aren't worth spending money on.

The_Iconoclast said:
Or, here's another thought: failing eyesight.
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Guess what one of the greatest comics artists ever did? He made a boatload of really, really, really detailed comics, to the point that many readers accustomed to the other Disney comics found it pretty ridiculous... while he didn't have a particularly good eyesight to begin with. He did eventually retire. Not because he needed new glasses, though. After a retinal detachment and not entirely successful surgeries to correct them.

As I mentioned in case of Stephen King, you really should learn from your betters and be motivated by their example. And work ethic.

The_Iconoclast said:
First of all, you're looking at two pages out of 2,400+, so it's hardly a representative sample.
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Yet it was a sample of two pages that you deliberately chose to put forward for us to comment on.

One of the hardest parts of self-criticism that artists have to deal with is the feeling of "damn, I should pick a good example to show to people, but all of these pretty much suck one way or another". And it's okay. There's been a bunch of cases where I had to show off something to the people but I couldn't quite put my finger on what's wrong with the stuff - and when they point it out, it all suddenly feels so obvious.

The_Iconoclast said:
Secondly, it's the decor of the mall that worked against me [...]
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Interesting. The fact that you can now rattle a list of problems is actually a good sign. You've figured part of the problems out. So no, to me, you're clearly not as bad as Chris. You just need to figure out this whole "change" thing.
 
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