🎨 Artcow Iconoclast / Jonathan Mack Sweet - The Chris-Chan of Arkansas

[melty]

One thing I noticed is he talks about "the way we were taught in the System" a LOT in this one. Four different times:

"We were taught in The System not to ask a lot of questions."

"but, hey, we were never really taught anything better."

"What I'm doing is how I lived, it's how I was taught, and it worked for me back in 1997."

"probably not the best way to motivate Gen-X, but we were never really taught anything better."

Sweet, you know it's possible to LEARN things you weren't taught? I was taught a lot of dumb and wrong stuff growing up but I LEARNED as I grew up that's not always right. And I'm still learning, as are most people, except for you.

Sure, even the most masterfully executed emotional programming, worst habits, and harsh indoctrination can eventually be broken, but that takes time and effort they simply weren't willing to invest.

Okay, what about you? What's stopping you from doing it? There is a wealth of information on Psychology online. I've used it on myself to break bad habits. What's stopping you? You have literally nothing else to do all day.

Also, I like how he keeps referencing the way they WERE taught in The System. So, does The System not exist anymore? It only existed in half-past 1997? Or the rules in The System have changed? I guess his answer'd be the latter, but part of me thinks he's just trying to cover his ass and fool the kids he hangs out with at AJM. *They* don't understand The System because they didn't grow up in it like he did so no one can call him out on it.

I also like his habit of calling us The Other Forum. What's weird is that he does this on DeviantArt, which isn't a forum, in his personal journal. Which would be pretty confusing to outside visitors, if he ever got any.

But above all I miss having a job where I only have to work a couple of hours a day, and then sit back and get lavished with adoration and gifts by my fans.

Why the fuck do you think you're entitled to that, Sweet? Almost everybody else in the world is working between 4 and 7 days a week. Why should you be so privileged to dick around and work just two days?

Also, really? Dirty nursery rhymes haven't been funny or edgy for at least thirty years. As someone who got out of college fairly recently, you'd be resoundingly mocked if you stood up and recited that. It's just not modern humor. It's on par with joking about airplane food.

Finally, his post was so fucking full of rehashed talking points, I threw this Bingo card together. Let me know if I missed any.

 

[Rin]

As a side note, I like the way Sweet continually depicts us as racist lolcat caricatures.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

[Sweet bingo card]

That's a sweet bingo card. (heh) Only thing that could be added is Sweet thinking that critics of him are all stupid. But then again, since Sweet thinks progressives are invariably stupid, it's pretty much already there with that one space on him thinking those who criticize him are invariably progressive.

racist lolcat caricatures.

Like I said earlier:

Sweet-o-Vision

 

[WWWWolf]

Also, Sweet just can't understand that:

Not all of us are progressives.

Also, some of us aren't American.
I'm from Europe. Which means that by default I'm so far left it isn't even funny to the likes of Sweets.
Also, not debating about shit that's basically no-brainers to everyone. (Like, smoking ban? Of course we're banning public smoking in Europe. That was the one thing Hitler did right, along with his love of dogs. /evultroll)

 

[Sanae Kochiya]

Before I address Sweets's main point, I wanna point out that he actually has my old name and avatar... implying that he took these screenshots literally months ago.

Holy fuck, dude. I know you wanted to live in the past, but responding to criticism that's also in the past is downright laughable.

 

[DrJonesHat]

Finally, his post was so fucking full of rehashed talking points, I threw this Bingo card together. Let me know if I missed any.

You forgot: No one told me <whatever>

You know we've struck a nerve when he spends all this effort responding to us.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Let me know if I missed any.

I got another one - Sweet assuring us (yet again) that he'll go back to his old life.

implying that he took these screenshots literally months ago.

Maybe the bad boy of college journalism took that long to think of a reply?

 

[Sanae Kochiya]

Well, I tried reading through his journal but I started glossing over things by the time he was addressing @DrJonesHat and toward the end I was basically skimming his shit because it was the same old tired story. He recycles his arguments more than he recycles his storylines. As I'm too lazy to go back, I'll just address the shit he wrote specifically to me.

It wasn't "luck", it was that indescribable quality I call "magic"-- and if I changed, I'd lose it. See, in my day progressives were a lot more willing to look past people and their differences. You could dress and act as outrageously as you pleased, and no one said a word. One time I actually saw a guy with coiffed hair, lipstick, fingernail polish, painted-up eyes, and a pair of pants so tight you could tell what religion he was, just hanging around in the TV lounge, acting like it was as normal as anything. Another time on the fourth floor of my dorm I passed a guy in the hall who looked like the Goat Boy from Saturday Night Live. Nowadays at ASU, a "reputable" source informs me, if they don't like the way you look or act, they will corner you in a bathroom or dark stairwell and beat you with "big gristly fists". And this is what they call "progress" in 2015? Pfffft. Who needs it?

Yes, Sweets. In case you didn't know, people are more willing to tolerate people with strange habits, fashion sense, or hobbies so long as they don't bug other people. You were stalking some girl, making horrible stand-up comedy routines, and mucking around so much with the TV in the dorm room that they were continually harassing you because you were both an easy target and deserving of it. We don't hate people because they're weird. We hate people because they shove their weirdness in other people's faces, and that's obnoxious.

What the modern left refuses to see is that change is a two-way street. Things can change back. The 1997 progressives were largely sex fiends and bumblers, sure, but they were nowhere near as spiteful and vicious as the 2015 progressives. That's why my work is all about running the clock back. See, at the campus paper I was treated like a celebrity. You can't always be looking behind your back to see who likes you and who doesn't and worrying about every little toe you've stepped on, or else you'll never be able to get anything done. Someone needed to deal with the background noise and all the day to day blah-blah, smooth the bruised egos, and leave you free to create unhindered. That unenviable job goes to the managing editor. My old friend and mentor [REDACTED] was always willing to step in, sweep my mistakes under the rug, and kindly, but firmly, let me know when I was maybe getting a little too out there and needed to dial it back. For that, I owe the man a debt I can never repay.

You weren't treated like a celebrity, Sweets. You were the close friend of the managing editor and he pulled strings to let you stay and he tried desperately hard to keep you in even though everyone was getting miserably sick of you and your shit. He sacrificed his credibility with the paper for you and, from the sounds of it, you seem to have ignored every single bit of advice he tried to give you in an attempt to make you less of a fuck up so that both of you could stay on the paper. By the sounds of it, you're an absolutely horrible friend for taking him for granted, since it sounds like you never tried to change or take any advice that anyone gave you. You owe him more than a "debt you can never repay." You owe him all of the time and effort he sacrificed in an attempt to make a friend happy only for the friend to squander all of it and drag both of them under.

Overall, it's great to see that the rose-tinted glasses have basically taken over your eyes. There was a quote you made that just kinda made me smile:

If Chris is your yardstick by which you measure your success in getting someone to realize they weren't as liked or popular as they once thought, put away the past and move on, think again.

Well, yes, I suppose Chris is our yardstick for measuring success, but not from our actions necessarily. Chris has, on his own, learned to embrace a part of his identity that he rejected before, gain a bit of a social life and some friends, and actually start making some money doing a hobby that he enjoys (medallions and amiibos). You have made zero money on Belch Dimension and have proceeded to alienate everyone around you besides your family, and even then it sounds like your relationship with your family is tenuous at best. We joke about how Chris never changes, but fuck, he's changed more than you. That's depressing.

 

[John Titor]

He wants free stuff. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't welfare a liberal thing?

 

[MarineTrainedTard]

He wants free stuff. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't welfare a liberal thing?

It's amazing. If he wasn't paying lip service to conservative ideals, and if I didn't know he was real I'd think he was a concocted by some conservative to lampoon liberals, he's a walking, talking liberal stereotype, as viewed by conservatives.

Or possibly a liberal masquerading as a faux conservative for laughs.

 

[DrJonesHat]

Sweet, you weren't a celebrity. You were a goddamn freakshow. People were laughing AT you, not WITH you. Also, I suspect corrective beatings existed in 1997, but nobody wanted to risk jail for you.

 

[Chan the Wizard]

Chris has actually sold his stuff. Chris has not only sold multiple types of merchandise featuring his creations, but made a profit doing so.

As far as I can tell, Belch Dimension has a negative monetary value. You've spent on it, but have never sold a single thing. We're probably the only people other than yourself to voluntarily read it and it's just to laugh at it.

*throws pennies at Sweets* You're a celebrity!

 

[wheat pasta]

We joke about how Chris never changes, but fuck, he's changed more than you. That's depressing.

Holy shit, you're right. REKT.

 

[AJMLurker]

Before I address Sweets's main point, I wanna point out that he actually has my old name and avatar... implying that he took these screenshots literally months ago.

Besides getting my first reference in his blog, this was the main thing that stood out to me about Sweet's latest entry.

When skimming his rant, the image of Jashinist's post tipped me off that something was weird. My suspicions were confirmed when I saw Sweet's image of my post. That post of mine he quoted was posted on July 22nd (https://kiwifarms.net/threads/iconoclast.860/page-213#post-859621), but the timestamp in his image said it was posted "Yesterday at 9:46 PM".

Not only does this go to show that Sweet Bro is lurking on this thread close to daily, which his previous entries already confirmed, but he is also archiving our comments the moment he sees them. Really, how much more pathetic can you get? It's sad to think that he actually has a folder on MS Paint filled with saved images of our comments here, ready to bust one out for his blog when he has use for it. Well Sweet, here's a new comment for your collection.

Unfortunately, I bet this creepy habit also extends to his "friends" just as much as it does to his "enemies". Sweet probably has been saving images of AJM posts over the years for his own personal reasons. Wouldn't surprise me if he has a special folder for "steamy" posts by the female members that he uses to arouse himself. Even before the Farms got involved in the affairs of AJM STUDIOS, it was clear that Sweet Bro had an unhealthy attraction for the female posters half his age there.

As for Sweet Bro's latest blog. Same shit, different day. I have no advice for him, the man already believes that he has it all figured out. Sweet is just like the little kid who still believes in Santa. There's a tiny voice of doubt in the back of his mind, but for the most part, he still believes.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Lolcows obsessively making copies of posts about them that they don't like for an archive is apparently a common lolcow trait. Reposting such online is another apparent common lolcow trait.

For example, Chris used to take a lot of screencaps of the older forums before the final continuance of the October 28th trials, and would post some of them online. Phil (ADF) sometimes reposts screencaps of posts on the Farms too.

 

[AJMLurker]

So I was re-reading Sweet's blog and decided to address the commentary he directed my way.

Those "flashes" of self-awareness you think you see are false inflated notions of happiness and finally turning a corner with my life

Sweet, buddy, you got it mixed up. You need your delusions to experience any inflated notions of happiness or thinking that you're finally turning a corner in life. If you became fully self-aware, well, let's just say that you would hate your life far more than you currently do and that's an understatement honestly.

and if you see me having one of them, stop me immediately, because someone has apparently mistaken me for a hot-air balloon and blown some serious smoke up my ass trying to sell me on another crack-brained idea of theirs.

The only person trying to sell crack-brained ideas is you Sweet and you've doing it for 20 years. Guess what, ain't nobody buying your shit still.

Of course you'd think that. Typical progressive notion.

Hold up... using physical punishment and depriving you of stuff to get you to change your behavior is a progressive liberal idea? Give me a sec...

Sorry, I had to roll on the floor laughing for a couple of minutes. Anyway Sweet, let me remind why I said what I said. @Dr. Merkwurdichliebe made a remark wondering what would happen if your mother took away your internet access and TV cable privileges. I then replied stating that it would be a good method to get you to change your behavior and that your mom should buy a taser to defend herself if she follows through. Now answer this: How in the hell is it progressive of me to suggest that your mother should take away what you love and then buy a taser to use against YOU, a 40 year old man suffering from an undiagnosed mental disorder? What progressive encourages physical punishment against the mentally ill? The Tumblr SJWs would be none too pleased if they saw what I suggested.

Here's a thought: stop taking away my stuff. In fact, let me have more stuff. I usually respond far more positively and am willing to at least hear you out if I'm getting goodies.

Hey guys, let's watch our Conservative Hero take down his opponents by whining and then demanding stuff he hasn't earned like a 2 year old. Good strategy, you're an inspiration to all right wingers Sweet.

Also, what stuff did I or the Kiwis take away from you? AJM STUDIOS?

Again, probably not the best way to motivate Gen-X, but we were never really taught anything better.

No Sweet, giving you free stuff is not the best way to motivate YOU. YOU were never taught any better. Don't act like you have the right to speak for an entire generation.

 

[He Sets Me On Fire]

I have to keep this short, because I keep going off into tangents on the concept, but I think, at this point, what Jon is really trying to do is defend his delusional fantasies. Not the fantasies themselves, but the ability to put any stock in them.

We have destroyed Jon. We have reduced him to repeating (nearly word-for-word, in some cases) the same blablablablblab that he wrote before (can't find the source, but it's very familiar). The truth is, Jon isn't going to do anything to achieve his warped dreams. He can't, and I think that on some level, he's aware of that. What he wants to do now is stew in his stink and maintain his delusions in peace. He cannot do that, however, because we blew up his dream shelter. The most recent journal entry is him simply trying to cover himself with ash in order to soothe his 3rd degree burns.

We showed him how his comic stinks, how his ideas about ASU, women, his bigotry, and his talents are all garbage, how he was never truly in a relationship, and how easily we can reach out and tear away his safe place. Now there is no safe place for him, even in his head, which is why he's still impotently lashing out at us from afar. It's not about us, it's all about him and his place of powerlessness.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

He wants free stuff.

whining and then demanding stuff he hasn't earned like a 2 year old

I didn't really see that in the long rambling he posted. That's gotta be among the most pathetic things I've seen him say. Does he think that'll make us give into such a childish demand? And Sweet must've been raised too much by Uncle TV, because Generation X isn't like Sweet, for the most part at least.

We have destroyed Jon.

And on top of that, like others have repeatedly said, he doesn't have the guts to simply log in and try to defend himself here, so the bad boy of college journalism takes "pot shots" at us from the relative safety of dA.

Also, imagine what Sweet is like perusing the thread here. I'd imagine he grumbles to himself while reading and recording each post, taking free disk space from the rest of the Sweet family little by little. Every day. Then, when he's thought up a "brilliant" reply, he'll painstakingly upload screencaps (in probable violation of dA's copyright policy and possibly in violation of US copyright law) and angrily mash on the keyboard for yet another reply that pretty much only Kiwis may read, as The Nothing slowly eats away at his wall.

I gotta say, he can be persistent (like with the Salad Incident or the stalking). Too bad he can't channel that persistence towards something more worthwhile - like a job or at least some volunteer work.

 

[DrJonesHat]

First, I don't think Sweet is violating copyright law by screencapping our posts. Fair use covers the use of copyrighted material for the purposes of commentary, which is exactly what he's doing.
Also, if Sweets is so upset by this thread all he has to do is stop reading it. I think he actually likes controversy, and we're the only people who generate any for him, since AJM is/was his hugbox. If he really didn't care what we thought about him, he'd ignore us. But he can't do that because we're the audience he desperately needs. But he is afraid of us, or he's come and engage us here. As far as I know he wasn't banned. He can show up at anytime he wants.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Fair use

Uploading and commenting on copyrighted text of posts without permission of the copyright holder(s) may be fair use, but uploading (public performance) of entire copyrighted creative works (art) along with them without permission of the copyright holder(s) probably isn't. deviantART's copyright policy probably doesn't recognize fair use without permission of the copyright holder(s) for content uploaded to dA though.

Anyway, yeah, Sweet could just stop replying to the thread and go do other stuff. Then this thread would eventually die down (like it did before Sweet posted on the first page of the thread that got the whole drama rolling) - sinking into the sediment of old threads like the Homer thread or the Cropperb thread.