Opinion I Think You Should Be Kind - Freddie deBoer sucks tranny dick once again and unironically goes "that never happens"

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The character pictured above is Hollywood Montrose from the film Mannequin. It’s a 1987 comedy, about a dreamer and artist played by Andrew McCarthy, who falls in love with a mannequin at the department store where he works, which is made more understandable (and yet even trickier) by the fact that said mannequin has been occupied by the spirit of an Ancient Egyptian woman who was rescued from an arranged marriage by the gods, played by Kim Cattrall. To McCarthy’s character Jonathan, Cattrall appears as a flesh and blood woman when they’re alone, but whenever someone else is around, she looks and acts like a mannequin. For a long time the movie was quite difficult to find (I watched it broken up into ten-minute chunks on YouTube awhile back), but has recently been made available on HBO Max, which can only contribute to a burgeoning reappreciation. A well deserved one, actually. Given its era, its focus on gender and sexuality, and the complexity of its conceit, it’s shocking how well the movie holds up. And no doubt Hollywood will have a great deal to do with any new love the movie engenders.

I have, for quite a long while, wanted to write about Hollywood as a symbol of progressive values, the best kind of progressive values, when it comes to sex and gender. (I in fact considered pitching such an essay a couple of times, but it’s not easy to sell a story about an obscure comedy from the Reagan administration.) The basic structure of the movie lies in placing McCarthy’s character Jonathan in awkward or embarrassing positions, thanks to the fact that Cattrall’s Emmy only reveals herself to Jonathan when he’s alone. You can imagine the hijinks even if you’ve never seen a minute of the movie: after hours, Jonathan is slow-dancing with Emmy in the sporting goods section, say, and then the suspicious nightwatchman walks in on them, and it appears that he’s in fact getting pervy with an actual mannequin. Society judges him a weirdo for his unusual love and desire. We as an audience know that Emmy really is a lost Egyptian spirit, and that she really does appear to him as a (very attractive) flesh-and-blood woman, which would appear to justify his behavior to most. What makes Hollywood beautiful, as a character and as a thematic device, is that until the movie’s climax he’s pretty sure that Emmy is just a mannequin, that Jonathan is pretending otherwise to justify his love - and accepts that love anyway. Jonathan, in turn, rejects the bigotry other employees show towards Hollywood, and indeed homophobia is consistently coded as ugly in the world of the movie.
As a flamboyant gay man in the 1980s, Hollywood appears to be the kind of person who has lived with other people’s judgment and revulsion and their consequences and has arrived at a place of radical acceptance, which allows him to treat Jonathan with a kind of amused generosity, always quietly commenting on the absurdity of it all, but with real amusement, never malice. Key to the whole thing is that, while Emmy revealing herself is certainly convenient for Jonathan, it isn’t strictly speaking necessary - Jonathan begins the movie working at the mannequin factory where Emmy was created, and it’s there that he develops his attachment to her, when she is decidedly inanimate. (Indeed, Jonathan only finds himself at the department store because his serial personal oddities mark him as someone incapable of making it in the straight world.) His attraction is consummated by Emmy’s transformations but not generated by them, which speaks to a deeper commitment to unsanctioned love. The movie is, if we’re inclined to be generous, a parable about the importance of tolerance as a capacious and mutable virtue; it suggests that the literal magic which might provide Jonathan with society’s approval is of lesser importance than the abstract magic of those who are willing to accept our true selves, even when the things we desire are unusual, provided those desires don’t hurt anyone else. None of it would work without Hollywood’s charisma and his infectious kindness.

“I find it best not to explain,” he tells Jonathan on first meeting him and learning of his infatuation with Emmy. “It adds a certain mystique to one’s reputation.”

You might anticipate why I would be hesitant to valorize Hollywood in this way. He is, certainly, an exaggerated figure, though honestly not more exaggerated then some gay men I have known in real life. There was a time, when gay rights were becoming a mainstream affair and the struggle for gay marriage becoming a winnable one - when gay normalcy had become an important political tool - that Hollywood would have been roundly dismissed as a gay minstrel type. Certainly, he exemplifies a number of stereotypes of gay men that were prevalent at the time of the movie’s release, and often invoked in a not particularly flattering manner: effeminate, theatrical, catastrophizing. That none of this is presented as worthy of mockery helps, but it’s certainly an outsized portrayal nonetheless. This is all perhaps complicated by the fact that Meshach Taylor, the actor who played Hollywood and died in 2014, was not himself gay. But I don’t really care about that; I care about Hollywood. And while some will no doubt be suspicious of my appreciation for the character given that I am, at least, someone from a different culture, I also imagine that there’s been several re-appropriations and reevaluations and rediscoveries of Hollywood, probably on Tumblr. (Just a guess.) So fuck it: I think you should be like Hollywood. I think you should consider radical acceptance as a durable and adaptable value, a good guide for engaging with people who are not like you.

(Not that this post is really about the moral value of the film Mannequin, but that Emmy is a blonde-haired, blue-eyed Egyptian with what appears to be a Jewish mother I can neither explain nor defend. Then again the movie is cheerfully indifferent to its own mythology, so.)

I’m here today to say this. I do not need to extend the kind of tolerance that Hollywood shows to Jonathan to trans people, because I believe in and support the basic argument for recognizing trans identities and defending the rights of trans people. I intuitively recognize the gender identities of trans people because I accept the general progressive argument that gender roles are not fixed by biology or society but emerge from the lived experience of each of us. Because I have so often trained my fire on liberalism and the social justice politics that, I believe, have gone so wrong, some readers talk themselves into the idea that I secretly am “gender critical” no matter how many times I say otherwise. But this is simply incorrect. I was raised surrounded by a remarkable number of LGBTQ people, relative to the context of the 1980s, without ever really being aware that there was anything unusual about that as a child. I have known what are now called trans people my entire life and I have never had the slightest interest in questioning their identities or their rights.

But what I’m here to ask you today, though it’s likely futile, is to consider extending that tolerance I described earlier yourself even if you can’t accept the political and moral arguments that defend trans existence. I have readers of all kinds, many more of whom are straightforwardly leftist people than my critics would allow. It’s true though that some are just social conservatives who can’t be moved. But some, I think, are potentially openminded people who have become too addicted to being “heterodox” and agitate about trans issues for what are fundamentally tribal reasons, and I’d like to think some of those people can be reached. I will risk saying that I think that I am one of a very few people writing about politics today who both supports trans rights and might be listened to by a certain type of person who doesn’t. Maybe that’s self-flattery, I don’t know. But I do think that, inspired by recent turns in the culture war, we’ve seen a backsliding when it comes to basic respect for trans people. Yes, I think that there’s a lot of rhetorical excess coming from some of those who defend trans people in the public sphere. But those excesses can’t and don’t undermine the case for defending trans identities. And frankly, I think some of you have lost your fucking minds when it comes to this issue. Trans people remain a tiny portion of the population and you can choose not to associate with them; treating them as just another culture war lever to push is pointless as well as unkind.

So much of what gets said in this domain, in these supposed heterodox spaces, is preceded by some version of “I don’t hate anyone” or “adults can do what they want” or “you can call yourself whatever you want,” right before moving on to obsessive criticism of trans people which never bothers to reestablish those elementary rights that are granted in a hand wave. Maybe you should focus a little more on the first part, because many, many people in this world most certainly do hate trans people, don’t want adults to be able to identify or dress or act as they wish, and don’t want them to be able to name themselves according to their lived gender identity. That part is a contested, vulnerable position too! And if you treat the first part just as a kind of throat-clearing exercise that you only ever drop prior to complaining about pronouns and children’s gender medicine, you are not in fact a defender of the right to simply exist as a trans adult.

I will say that I think that a lot of recent rhetoric about trans people has unnecessarily muddied the waters about the basic physiological reality of sexual dimorphism in humans - the reality that the vast majority of people, though not all, are born with either a penis and testicles and XY chromosomes or a vagina and female reproductive organs and XX chromosomes. Traditionally, the former have been called men, and the latter have been called women. A core part of the fight for trans rights is simply to get people to recognize that there are people whose physiological and genomic reality do not correspond to their lived reality, which is no less real. I understand why trans activists reject statements like “your sex is male” or similar; those can just be another way to try and dictate someone’s gender to them, said only to insult or to undermine. That said, I do think that there was a certain simple sense in the older generation’s gender-sex distinction, which was intuitively understandable even for many normies. I don’t think it helps anyone to appear to reject any physiological or genetic sex distinctions at all, such as by putting “biological sex” in quotation marks, in part because it seems to imply that in order to defend trans people we have to deny that most people map to the genitals-and-genomes tendencies I mentioned. We don’t. Almost all vertebrate animals exhibit some sort of sexual dimorphism, and saying so does not in any way undermine the case for trans rights. The whole argument is that physiology does not dictate gender, and acknowledging that most people with penises go through life uncomplicatedly accepting a masculine gender does nothing to undermine the felt, lived, and thus very much real gender identities of people who have penises but go through life as women.

Ultimately, while there are penis-havers and vagina-havers, and this has relevance in certain domains such as in sexual partner selection, the basic empirical observation that has powered growing awareness of trans rights remains the most important thing: there are many people in the world whose felt, lived, intrinsic, internal, or otherwise experienced gender identity does not match with the sex category of their birth. This is, as I said, an empirical reality just as much as someone having a vagina or XX chromosomes is an empirical reality - whether you agree to abide by their gender self-identification or not, many people feel that identification with a gender other than that assumed by society. They exist whether you believe in them or not! And their gender identification is sufficiently inherent and powerful and passionate that they are willing to experience widespread stigma and the very real risk of violence in order to live in a way consonant with their identity. You remember the old “we’re here, we’re queer, get used to it” chant? The point of that chant was to draw attention to the fact that homosexual people existed, regardless of whether anyone approved of them or not; you could say that they didn’t deserve rights but you couldn’t make them disappear. The same point has to be underlined in the present moment: regardless of how you feel about them or your stance on various related controversies, there are millions of people who believe that they can’t live with the gender identity that society would once have forced on them.

And to speak in terms that American conservatives should respect, in a free society, how can these people be told that they can’t live the way they want to? Are people in a free society free to call themselves men, women, or other? The Constitution says that they are. Are people in a free society free to dress how they would like? They are. Are people in a free society free to enter into personal or romantic or sexual relationships with any adults that consent to being in those relationships? They are. Are people in a free society free to only associate with those who respect their gender identities? They are. Are those of us who are not trans free to respect the gender identities of trans people and call them by their preferred names and pronouns? We are. So what exactly is the beef, here? What do you have to do, if you accept these freedoms, other than to leave trans people alone? Again, you don’t have to like trans people or associate them, and they’re easy to avoid if that’s what you’ve made up your mind to do. And no, personally, I wouldn’t favor any law that required you to call them by their preferred gender identity, on free speech grounds. But then, you’re also free to say that I’m Tibetan; that you can say it does not will the falsehood into becoming the truth.



Maybe it would be useful to respond to some common claims I see in this domain.

They’re gonna rape the girls in the bathrooms!

Please, help me understand this, because it’s never made an ounce of sense to me. The claim is that, if you allow transwomen into women’s bathrooms, they’ll rape the women in there, right? Here’s my question: do you think that a sign on a door is gonna keep a rapist from raping? Like, there’s a sexual predator who wants to commit a rape, and he’s about to follow a woman into the bathroom to do so, but then he sees that it’s a women’s bathroom and says “ah shucks, I guess no rape for me today”? I simply do not understand this. If physical proximity is by itself sufficient incitement to sexual assault, then we have much, much bigger problems on our hands. How does legally allowing a transwoman into a girl’s bathroom create any greater threat than a cisgender man’s practical ability to simply walk into that bathroom and assault someone?

I don’t want to see male genitals in the locker room!

Honey I don’t want to see anyone’s genitals in the locker room. I support a blanket “let’s all cover our genitals in the locker room to every extent possible” policy. The trouble is that as soon as you make this a “trans issue” you’re engaged in bigotry. Every man who’s regularly changed in a locker room has been forced to see some old guy’s dangling balls and that’s no fun either.

How many genders are there!

I don’t know. I don’t care. Like, I don’t understand why this is an operative or important question. The vast majority of people who are trans-identifying identify as transmen and transwomen, and not misgendering them is simple. Some people identify as non-binary or gender queer. Do I fully understand this? Not really. Do I need to? No, as I’m someone who knows how to mind his own business. Simple human respect and basic manners compels me to call these people what they would like to be called. (I cannot stress this enough: it costs you nothing to respect someone else’s gender identity.) Are there some people out there, particularly on social media, who have more exotic gender definitions? Sure. Do I sometimes find that stuff a little silly? I guess so. But, again, since it costs me nothing to respect their gender identity - as in, I literally don’t have to do anything at all - I’m very happy to do so. I suspect a lot of those people will probably adopt a more conventional gender identity as they age, but if they don’t, again… who cares? It’s none of my business.

If trans people are already the gender they identify with, why do they need to take hormones to become that gender! (Joe Rogan destroys trans activists with facts and logic!)

The hormones aren’t to become a gender. They’re to bring trans people’s bodies more into line with their self-conception. In this they are no different from people who take Ozempic or steroids or TRT to treat “fatigue.” If you’re a trans man and you want to look more like conventional ideals of masculinity, you might take hormones. Some trans men have no interest in that, so they don’t take the hormones. It’s not particularly complicated; if you’re concerned about people using medical advances to change their physical bodies, I’m afraid that ship has long since sailed. The hormones don’t make you a woman or a man, they just make your body more like the body you would like to have.

Children are routinely getting permanently-disfiguring medical treatment!

To begin with, every indication is that the number of trans children receiving hormones remains low, and the number undergoing surgical interventions vanishingly rare. Can I see understand some concerns with overly-aggressive medical providers pushing care on trans-identifying minors too quickly? I guess so. But what I can promise you is that I want medical decisions about children to remain between the children, their parents, and their doctors. That’s who should have a say - the children, the parents, and the doctors. If in fact there are risks or problems identified with the current manner of practicing trans-affirming medicine for children, then we will have to rely on the medical community to change their standard of care as new data comes available. Will this result in perfect outcomes? Of course not. Does pediatric sports medicine or pediatric oncology result in perfect outcomes either? Of course not. What I am certain of is that I don’t want the government getting involved in these medical decisions. Ron Desantis does not get a say, sorry.

Trans activists overstate how many people are born intersex or with otherwise ambiguous genitalia!

They might, yeah, maybe. And it’s a mistake to base the right to live with a gender-nonconforming identity on the existence of people who have atypical genitals or genotypes. But… it’s a mistake to base the right to live with a gender-nonconforming identity on the existence of people who have atypical genitals or genotypes. The right to gender self-expression does not require any underlying biological reality. Even if there had never been a single intersexed person born in history, the right to define your gender identity in a way that’s consonant with your heart would remain.

They’re trying to obliterate the distinction between male and female, between men and women, altogether!

Who? Where? The term “trans woman” includes the word “trans,” which denotes that someone is something other than a cisgender person. To use this term while trying to obscure the difference between trans and cis would be very strange behavior indeed. I’m sure there are some trans people who attempt to pass, but most trans people I’ve known are very straightforward about their identity. In fact, a common conservative complaint is that trans activists never stop talking about being trans! Again, it would be very strange for someone who’s looking to destroy the gender binary entirely, to erase the very notion of a difference between a boy and a girl, to a) put the trans flag in all of their profiles and openly identify as trans, a term which implies the notion of a transition between differing states, and b) to fight very hard to be known as a boy or girl. Someone asking you to respect their pronouns is by definition not trying to eliminate any notion of sex or gender differences! No one wants you stop calling your kids boys or girls and no one wants you to stop being a man or woman. Besides, I have to live in a country where seven out of ten people believe that God sent Jesus to save us all from a hell he created himself, which doesn’t exactly make a ton of sense to me. And that set of beliefs is of course vastly more consequential than trans rights are for our society. You can live alongside people who believe things you find crazy. That’s the whole point of freedom.

They’re gonna take over women’s athletics!

At present, this sure looks like a controversy without a problem - Lia Thomas became an internationally-known figure precisely because transwomen competing at the highest levels of women’s sports is so remarkably rare. But let’s say that, over time, transwomen do come to dominate in women’s sports, and at the Olympics in 2028 transwomen are on every podium, OK. Then we as a society will come together and find some equitable, just solution that respects everyone’s rights and personhood, a solution which takes as a core requirement that transwomen be treated with dignity. I’m not entirely sure what that hypothetical change might look like, but I’m sure that people who spend all of their time freaking out about trans people in general don’t have the credibility to offer compelling advice. This is one of those constant “I have no problem with trans people, but…” ones, and the proof is in the pudding - if you really do have no problem with trans people and respect their rights as human beings, then you’ll be more likely to be included in whatever evolution in sports might come next. If you spend all day muttering darkly about “trans extremists” on X, it makes me think your actual interest isn’t women’s athletics at all. In any event, we’ll see if this ever develops into an actual problem at scale.

Terms like “birthing person” and “chestfeeding” are stupid and alienating to a lot of people!

Well… yeah. I think that stuff mostly doesn’t help anybody at all. I understand the desire to be inclusive, but I think making people believe that you want to get rid of the term “mother” is about as politically wise as punching a baby on camera. Again, though, plenty of trans people don’t use this language, and it’s mostly confined to the parts of our culture that have aggressive HR departments. I have been around LGBTQ people generally, and activists specifically, for most of my life. No one has ever scolded me for saying “ladies and gentlemen” or “breastfeeding” or “dad.” Not once have I ever been confronted about using language that suggests a gender binary. Not once! Because aside from a class of professional busybodies, most people are normal and just want to be chill about stuff. Honestly. The number of LGBTQ people who just go about their lives, asking only for rights and respect, dwarfs the number who yell at you on TikTok. Yes, there are social justice-y annoyances and excesses in this domain, as there are with any constituencies favored by progressives now. Don’t let that distract you from the fact that almost everyone just wants to live in peace and dignity.



The inevitable howls from a certain kind of person, in my inbox, will almost all proceed from a series of bad assumptions about my politics, assumptions which are in turn derived from the inanities of our culture war. (In my inbox because comments are off; comments are off because otherwise a small but voluble slice of my readers would say things that are cruel towards trans people, and I won’t be a party to that.) I am a leftist who believes in the equal value and dignity of LGBTQ people, their identities, and their love. This is all drawn straightforwardly from the basic socialist principles that organize my political life. I have made a name for myself attacking the illiberalism and inanity of much of contemporary progressive behavior, out of my fierce belief that civil liberties are core to left practice and because so much liberal rhetoric only aids the other side. You don’t have to agree with me on this or on any other issue, but I have had enough of people waving these views away as a feint or dodge on my part; they are core to my political identity. Nor do I find any of the strained analogies some critics make with my other work compelling, most obviously those who respond to any of my posts about mental illness by suggesting that I’m hypocritical because I don’t include trans people in that category. Here’s my complicated rebuttal: I don’t think trans people are mentally ill, and so the critique makes no sense.

What I have been asking for, for all these years, is for the right to be critical of all sides, to stake out my own territory, and to refuse to be pressed into any of the boxes that other people would press me into. You in turn have the right to read or not read me and to decide whether to support this project financially or not. But in the broader sense, I think that there is a cohort of people in our political world now who have made a fetish of counterintuitivity and who have mistaken the absurdities and petty corruption of many liberals for an affirmative argument against any liberal ideals. And that is a powerfully stupid thing to become. Let me say this as directly as I can: adopting a politics that is merely the inverse of what you take to be contemporary liberalism does not make you any less of a follower. You’re still allowing your fundamental political identity to be derived from the beliefs of other people; that you’re trying to turn those beliefs 180 degrees doesn’t make you any more independent. Genuine independence flows from developing your beliefs on your own, and requires your willingness to alienate anyone and everyone in the pursuit of what you find to be true and good. If I’m challenging you to do anything, it’s to force yourself out of the dirty rapids of culture war, to look past the path dependence and chance that so deeply influence our political lives. And, yes, I’m asking you to be kind to a group of people who have become a political football in a way that makes no sense whatsoever, given the scope of our actual problems.

I find that there’s a bizarre, unspoken collision in the anti-woke culture war these days: we are simultaneously to believe that the pro-trans forces have achieved total hegemony, able to cancel anyone they want at any time, forcing “trans ideology” down the throats of the rest of us, and at the same time, ordinary people all reject that ideology, Main Street holds good-old-fashioned gender values, “the people are on our side.” This is, I suppose, just the generic right culture war complaint - the elites are forcing their freaky values on the rest of us. But please ask yourself this: if it’s indeed true that ordinary people reject these values, is it not the case that the rights of trans people are the ones that are in jeopardy, not yours? And might it occur to you that, even if you feel some sort of personal revulsion at the idea of people with penises wearing dresses and people with XX chromosomes being referred to as “he,” the dictates of personal freedom should come first? If you’re a conservative, can you not focus on the wisest conservative value of all, which is the right to be left alone?

You know I say all the time that life is an endless series of moments of looking ahead, thinking that when we get there, finally, everything will be alright, only to find ourselves once again yearning for the next stage. Once I hit my growth spurt, everything will be great. Once I get my degree. Once I get my own apartment. Once I get that job. Once I get a boyfriend. Once I get that raise. Once I move to New York. Once I lose 20 pounds. Once I pay off the house. Once I beat this cancer. And then, if the news is good and these things happen, you find that you’re still yearning, still looking around the next corner. And I worry, for young trans people, that they’ll find transitioning to be just another of these human disappointments - things will be better, no doubt, but as we all tend to do they’ll have idealized the next stage of their lives and then may experience that sudden comedown when they realize that they’re still just humans with human problems. Certainly this happened to many gay people, of the past several generations, finally coming out and living according to the dictates of their hearts, only to be reminded that openly gay people have to pay the rent and squeeze onto the subway and be subject to all of lives little indignities. Equal rights, I’m afraid, generally lead to lives of equal disappointment. I do hope that young LGBTQ people will understand that, beyond all of the Instagram memes telling them to love themselves, there’s still just this broken world.

But, of course, it is better, far better, to be able to say that you are the gender that you feel you are, that you love the people that you say you love, that (even if a bit crass) you are down to fuck the kind of people you want to fuck. It’s easy to be cynical about the gains we’ve had in the past several decades, as I frequently am, but the reality is that in the societies which have dedicated themselves to LGBTQ rights, the ability of people to love and live in a way consonant with their hearts is one of the most significant positive changes in our collective lives, a sign of genuine societal progress. We are now offering the people who want to live a certain kind of life that right, and for many of them that will mean a redefinition of the self, an awakening of desire and of love, the ecstasy of bodies, the reassurance of freedom, and the simple right to say “I am what I am.”

And, you know, I’d kill for people’s right to live their lives and feel that way.

 
The problem with LGBT-ism that we've seen in the last ten years, it really has been the slippery slope that they mocked us for, and your "reward" for being nice and letting them have one win is being overrun until you say "no", then as if it's said "no" all along.

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People were in my inbox calling “the trans issue” the most important social divide of our time, apparently beating out crime and education and the collapse of the family etc, which is truly insane.
Ignored in this is that the "trans issue" requires accepting as truth a host of patent lies that children can see through unless mommy or daddy tells them not to believe their eyes. Such a requirement for inclusion in public life is beyond psychotic and betrays a deep sickness, and he's got it, clearly.

It's be one thing if "trans" did not bring power to bear on you or I. Much like how things used to be, just because timecube exists does not mean we all have to eat 5th dimensional meals. This is not the case, so if dishonesty elementals are going to assert this power, they can't just pretend they want to be left alone.

With crime, education, economy, collapse of the family...at the very least all these issues have identifiable anchors in reality. We can disagree about the causes of symptoms, disagree about symptoms, disagree about causes...but the fundamental debate has a grounding, literally any common ground, that does not require lying to acknowledge, even if the most common that ground gets is "Javonteus took a sharp stick and stuck it into Ray-ray" and nobody agrees on anything after that.

To extend that to the trans issue: I can't even acknowledge that Ray-ray has been stabbed, instead I'm told to call the hole currently spurting blood out of Ray-ray a vagina and affirm how stunning and brave he is for getting surprise upper body SRS, and I can lose my job if I suggest that even off the clock.

So yeah, that's kind of fucking important.
 
The trans issue angers people because to affirm the identity of trans individuals, you have to redefine some pretty fundamental concepts in human society and nature. A woman might be an adult human female with XX chromosomes and all the common sex characteristics that come with that or nowadays it could be a 65 year old 300lb bearded male with a penis wearing a tutu and claiming to be a 16 year old ballerina. Even if you are in the category being redefined, you are not allowed to object to that redefinition without being accused of bigotry. So people feel like they are getting gaslit and it angers them. That's not the only problem of course since trannies are fucked up degenerates but it's a part of it.

And the thing is that we could have a certain number of weirdo fucked up degenerates in society without the controversy of they didn't try to upturn society to cater to them. There have always been weirdos and people who did extreme things but they weren't normalized and promoted like the trans thing is. It's a social contagion or mass hysteria at this point.
 
Freddie must have a close friend that's a tranny or is a chaser, because this article is way more retarded than he normally writes.

They’re trying to obliterate the distinction between male and female, between men and women, altogether!

Who? Where? The term “trans woman” includes the word “trans,” which denotes that someone is something other than a cisgender person. To use this term while trying to obscure the difference between trans and cis would be very strange behavior indeed. I’m sure there are some trans people who attempt to pass, but most trans people I’ve known are very straightforward about their identity. In fact, a common conservative complaint is that trans activists never stop talking about being trans! Again, it would be very strange for someone who’s looking to destroy the gender binary entirely, to erase the very notion of a difference between a boy and a girl, to a) put the trans flag in all of their profiles and openly identify as trans, a term which implies the notion of a transition between differing states, and b) to fight very hard to be known as a boy or girl. Someone asking you to respect their pronouns is by definition not trying to eliminate any notion of sex or gender differences!

Yes, trannies want you to know they're trans because that's what makes them special and unique however when it benefits them they want to be not distinguished from cis women. For example trans people would be okay with a scholarship for just trans women, but you cannot have a scholarship for just cis women, trannies would need to be included. They want to have their cake and eat it to.

Then we as a society will come together and find some equitable, just solution that respects everyone’s rights and personhood, a solution which takes as a core requirement that transwomen be treated with dignity

If you read between the lines in this section, he is essentially just admitting that trannies are just men . He thinks though if a handful of men take women's places in sports it's okay, only if it becomes majority trannies then it's a problem.

The backstory is that his dad was an academic who ran in radical left circles back in the day, and so young Freddie grew up with 80s & 90s vintage LGBT folks as part of the social scene;

Let's not forget that Freddie is severely mentally ill, of course he identifies with trannies.

I think a lot of the people complaining about my piece are simply unaccustomed to actually debating the merits, particularly with someone like me, who can’t be pushed off of his spot through bluster alone.

Freddie is so full of himself here. None of his arguments are new or unique. Any average TERF could demolish him in a debate. But of course he won't or even allow comments.
 
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It's his niece/nephew. He has a sibling who will cut him off in a heartbeat if he doesn't parrot the "be kind" party line. You know, like kind people do.

This of course means that his own impending child (his wife is currently pregnant, not sure when she's due) is going to be in close contact with a troonkid from day 1.

This is why you can't just live and let live. There's a troon in my own extended family and we absolutely will not entertain this shit, because the moment you try to just be nice, they'll be looking to influence your children. Freddie's sister will be looking for signs of transness in Freddie's kid from day 1 and putting ideas in the kid's head. After all, the only thing that would make FdB a better mouthpiece for troonery than a trans niece/nephew is a trans child.
 
Found a pretty good rebuttal to Freddie here.

I’ve long been a great fan of Freddie deBoer. He’s a consistently thought-provoking and engaging writer, courageous in his willingness to step on toes and slaughter sacred cows, worth reading even when I (often) disagree with him.

One of many areas on which I disagree with Freddie is in our respective stances on trans issues. Some years back, he posted that he was sick of people in the comments of his articles bringing up trans issues even though the article itself had nothing to do with the topic, and announced a blanket ban on this specific behaviour.(1) He subsequently posted about the subject in more detail, explaining why (in contrast to his more iconoclastic opinions on progressive issues like racism, policing and mental health) he supports the standard “trans-inclusive” paradigm more or less uncritically. In March of last year, he posted an article titled “And Now I Will Again Ponderously Explain Why I Am Trans-Affirming”.

To be frank, I found the article staggeringly shoddy and poorly argued, especially for such a typically perceptive writer: it was a profound shame to see him fall victim to exactly the same errors in reasoning and appeals to emotion he so loudly decries when progressives use them in other political contexts. I intended to write a response to that article but never got around to it, and then the moment had passed. Last week he published not one but two new articles on the topic, so now I have a second chance to strike while the iron is hot. In some cases I will respond to Freddie’s arguments directly; in other cases I think it will be illuminating to contrast what Freddie wrote on this topic with what he has written on other controversial political issues in the past, to illustrate how flagrantly he is failing to live up to his own standards and committing precisely the same infractions he has complained about at length in other contexts.

“No one is saying” and what a strawman is

Freddie repeatedly asserts that various complaints that gender-critical people might have about trans activists are completely unfounded and invented from whole cloth, that no trans activists are saying what gender-critical people accuse them of having said, and that if any trans activists are saying these things then they’re only a small radical fringe and they don’t matter.

They’re trying to obliterate the distinction between male and female, between men and women, altogether!
Who? Where?… No one wants you stop calling your kids boys or girls and no one wants you to stop being a man or woman.

Terms like “birthing person” and “chestfeeding” are stupid and alienating to a lot of people!
Well… yeah… Again, though, plenty of trans people don’t use this language, and it’s mostly confined to the parts of our culture that have aggressive HR departments. I have been around LGBTQ people generally, and activists specifically, for most of my life. No one has ever scolded me for saying “ladies and gentlemen” or “breastfeeding” or “dad.” Not once have I ever been confronted about using language that suggests a gender binary. Not once!
In 2021, Freddie wrote an article titled “"NO ONE SAYS" & What a Strawman Is”, describing a rhetorical trick in which a person opposing him on some political issue will insist that “NO ONE SAYS” a thing Freddie disagrees with, Freddie will cite examples of people saying that exact thing - but rather than concede the point, the person will simply move the goalposts:

You know what the “no one is saying” crowd do when you show them incontrovertible evidence that someone is saying it? They say “oh that person doesn’t matter,” and roll right along. “No one is saying” morphs easily into “no one important is saying.”
Freddie might claim that no one is trying to obliterate the distinction between men and women; no less than a once-august publication like Scientific American argues that sex is a “spectrum” and that the idea of there being “only” two sexes is “simplistic”. Freddie might claim that no one in his experience has ever scolded him for saying “birthing person”, but that is the official language advocated for by the UK’s National Health Service. Freddie might insist that no one wants you to stop calling your kids boys or girls, but here’s a fawning article in the New York Times about parents doing exactly that, and another from the BBC.

Note also Freddie’s claim that linguistic prescriptions like “birthing person” and “chestfeeder” are largely confined to “the parts of our culture that have aggressive HR departments”. This might come as a surprise to Freddie, but some of us actually have to work in companies with aggressive HR departments - we aren’t all lucky enough to be self-employed freelancers pulling down six figures a year, beholden to no one but ourselves. It’s very strange for a self-identified Marxist who expresses such profound outrage about the capitalist exploitation of the proletariat to be so blasé about the obnoxious ideological hoops that ordinary working people are made to jump through as a condition of continued employment in a precarious economy.

For emphasis: Freddie, someone is in fact saying! And in many cases these “someones” are far more powerful and have far more influence on our culture than you or anyone in your circle of like-minded Brooklyn activists. When the fifth-largest employer in the entire world is demanding that its staff exclusively use “birthing person” in place of “mother”, what some Brooklyn activist believes is beside the point.


Female sporting events

I also find it hard to square Freddie’s claim that “no one” is trying to obliterate the distinction between male and female altogether with his apparent belief that trans women competing in female sporting events is entirely fair and legitimate. How can such a policy possibly be justified without ignoring the indisputable biological reality, consistent across time and space, that the average male person is stronger, faster and more resilient than 99% of female people? No less of a once-respectable institution than the American Civil Liberties Union describes the claim that “Trans athletes’ physiological characteristics provide an unfair advantage over cis athletes” as a “myth”. When a respected organisation like the ACLU, with an annual budget exceeding $300 million, asserts that male people are collectively no stronger than female people - the only way I can describe the claim that “no one” is trying to obliterate the distinction between male and female people is that it is a shameless insult to the reader’s intelligence.

Scepticism for me, but not for thee

A recurrent problem throughout the article is Freddie assuming that any criticism of trans-inclusive policies is a criticism of trans people themselves. No matter how many times a gender-critical person might assert “I’m not worried about trans people using this policy to hurt people - I’m worried about bad actors who are not themselves trans or suffering from gender dysphoria taking advantage of this policy to hurt people”, Freddie continually insists that criticising policies intended to be trans-inclusive is functionally the same as criticising trans people as a group. This is precisely the same kind of facile reasoning he’s so elegantly skewered in other political domains - the notion that opposition to this or that policy necessarily implies hatred of black people, or the mentally ill, or what have you. But he’s guilty of it himself, admitting elsewhere in the article that certain trans-inclusive policies pursued by the radical fringe of the trans activist lobby are short-sighted and counterproductive. So we find ourselves in the curious position in which Freddie can criticise this trans-inclusive policy without that bringing his support for trans rights into question - but if gender-critical people are sceptical or uneasy about that trans-inclusive policy, the only reasonable explanation is that they’re crypto-conservative fundamentalist Christians motivated solely by disgust and hatred of trans people.

For example, Freddie admits to scepticism about outré neogenders (“I suspect a lot of those people will probably adopt a more conventional gender identity as they age”), that a lot of the linguistic prescriptions trans activists make are preposterous and counterproductive (“I think making people believe that you want to get rid of the term “mother” is about as politically wise as punching a baby on camera”), that it’s wrong to act like medically transitioning will solve all of a trans person’s problems (“And I worry, for young trans people, that they’ll find transitioning to be just another of these human disappointments - things will be better, no doubt, but as we all tend to do they’ll have idealized the next stage of their lives and then may experience that sudden comedown when they realize that they’re still just humans with human problems”) and even that some medical practitioners are being overly aggressive about pushing minors to transition (“Can I see understand [sic] some concerns with overly-aggressive medical providers pushing care on trans-identifying minors too quickly? I guess so.”) These topics, apparently, reside within the Overton window: one is entitled to raise concerns about them without being accused of being motivated by malicious hatred of trans people as a group. Why are these concerns legitimate to express, and not: the unintended consequences of abolishing single-sex bathrooms and changing rooms; male rapists with intact genitalia being incarcerated in female prisons; convicted sex offenders coming out as trans and changing their names in order to evade child safeguarding policies - or any other of the litany of reasonable-sounding objections gender-critical people have raised over the last decade or so? No idea.

The bathroom question

A large chunk of both articles is dedicated to the question of whether it is appropriate to allow trans women to use women’s bathrooms:

They’re gonna rape the girls in the bathrooms!
Please, help me understand this, because it’s never made an ounce of sense to me. The claim is that, if you allow transwomen into women’s bathrooms, they’ll rape the women in there, right? Here’s my question: do you think that a sign on a door is gonna keep a rapist from raping? Like, there’s a sexual predator who wants to commit a rape, and he’s about to follow a woman into the bathroom to do so, but then he sees that it’s a women’s bathroom and says “ah shucks, I guess no rape for me today”? I simply do not understand this. If physical proximity is by itself sufficient incitement to sexual assault, then we have much, much bigger problems on our hands. How does legally allowing a transwoman into a girl’s bathroom create any greater threat than a cisgender man’s practical ability to simply walk into that bathroom and assault someone?
I personally am not a diehard advocate for sex-segregated bathrooms, and can see the merit in making all bathrooms gender-neutral. Of all the components of trans activism going, gender-neutral bathrooms is perhaps the one I find least objectionable. That being said, I find the argument for sex-segregated bathrooms easy to understand (even if I don’t necessarily share it), and admit to being surprised that Freddie doesn’t get it, so I will try to aid him in understanding it.

A blanket policy of sex-segregated bathrooms is intended to minimise the risk of female people being raped or sexually assaulted by male people in bathrooms. While a policy of sex-segregated bathrooms is enforced, a person who sees an obviously male person enter a women’s public bathroom could reasonably assume that that person was up to no good, and take appropriate steps to rectify the situation (such as notifying a security guard). Under a trans-inclusive bathroom policy, one is no longer supposed to assume that a male person entering a women’s bathroom is up to no good, because they might identify as a trans woman.

While Freddie is correct that, under a policy of sex-segregated bathrooms, there is nothing stopping a male rapist from simply walking into a women’s bathroom, a trans-inclusive bathroom policy makes it dramatically easier for such people to get away with committing an opportunistic rape, as bystanders will be less likely to intervene if they see a male person entering a women’s bathroom for fear of being accused of being transphobic. The reasoning is similar to regulations in which adults are not permitted to enter public playgrounds unless they are the parent or guardian of a child: obviously a child molester can simply ignore the regulation, but the regulation is designed to make bad actors more obvious to bystanders.

If a woman is in a public bathroom and an obviously male person walks in, there is no reliable way for her to tell if that person is a harmless trans woman just minding her own business, or a rapist exploiting well-meaning inclusive policies for malicious ends. The fact that the person has a penis is not dispositive in one direction or the other (as Freddie acknowledges not all trans people may wish to medically transition); nor that they are bearded and wearing jeans and a T-shirt (because “trans women don’t owe you femininity”, and a trans woman presenting as male does not in any way undermine her trans identity).

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For the reasons outlined above, there is no way to reliably distinguish between trans women and cis men on sight(2). Hence, there is functionally no difference between “bathrooms intended for women and trans women” and “gender-neutral bathrooms”. Like Freddie, I am not aware of any hard evidence that making bathrooms gender-neutral in a particular area resulted in an increase in the rate of rape or sexual assault. I understand the gender-critical opposition to gender-neutral bathrooms without necessarily sharing or endorsing it. Even if the concerns about how this policy might be exploited by bad actors are in fact unfounded, I don’t think it’s fair to accuse everyone expressing those concerns of being transphobic. I think it’s especially unfair to accuse a gender-critical person of saying they think all trans women are rapists when, in my experience, gender-critical people go to great lengths to emphasise that they are concerned about bad actors who aren’t trans taking advantage of these policies for malicious ends, rather than trans women doing so.

Overstating the importance of the issue

In his second article from last week, Freddie complains that gender-critical people have vastly overstated the significance of the trans issue, elevating it to the status of “the most important social divide of our time, apparently beating out crime and education and the collapse of the family etc” when trans/NB people make up at most 2-3% of the American population. I agree that, in the scheme of things, trans issues receive a vastly disproportionate share of column inches relative to their import. Where I differ from Freddie is placing the blame for this state of affairs solely at the feet of gender-critical people.

As noted by Wesley Yang, there are 39 separate days(3) in the American political calendar specifically dedicated to celebrating trans people (and an additional 77 days dedicated to celebrating trans people as a subset of LGBTQ+) - in contrast to Black History Month, which famously falls on the shortest month in the Gregorian calendar, despite black Americans making up 13-14% of the US population. President Joe Biden gave a statement on Transgender Day of Remembrance, while Democratic candidate Elizabeth Warren made the frankly bizarre campaign promise that her pick for education secretary would have to be personally vetted by a transgender child. There has hardly been a single political issue in the last ten years that hasn’t been framed as “how might this affect trans people?” or “what does this mean for the struggle for trans rights?” in the popular media, no matter how tangential the connection - everything from Black Lives Matter to the war in the Ukraine to gun violence in schools to the cost-of-living crisis to Covid to AI to the Israel-Palestine conflict to Brexit and even climate change (“[exposure to secondhand smoke] can exacerbate the respiratory stress that LGBTQI+ populations may experience from air pollution and chest binding, which is a common practice among transgender men to achieve a flat chest”).

It’s a bit rich to demand that Americans spend more than one-tenth of the calendar year celebrating trans people, “centring their voices” and putting their trials and tribulations at the forefront of their consciousness - only to then turn around and say “umm why do you even care about this, it’s such a tiny issue lol” when some of them offer even the mildest pushback. You brought it up.

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Medical transition of minors

Social contagion via social media

On the controversy over underage trans people discovering a transgender identity and/or undergoing medical transition, Freddie writes:

Children are routinely getting permanently-disfiguring medical treatment!
To begin with, every indication is that the number of trans children receiving hormones remains low, and the number undergoing surgical interventions vanishingly rare. Can I see understand some concerns with overly-aggressive medical providers pushing care on trans-identifying minors too quickly? I guess so. But what I can promise you is that I want medical decisions about children to remain between the children, their parents, and their doctors. That’s who should have a say - the children, the parents, and the doctors. If in fact there are risks or problems identified with the current manner of practicing trans-affirming medicine for children, then we will have to rely on the medical community to change their standard of care as new data comes available. Will this result in perfect outcomes? Of course not. Does pediatric sports medicine or pediatric oncology result in perfect outcomes either? Of course not. What I am certain of is that I don’t want the government getting involved in these medical decisions. Ron Desantis does not get a say, sorry.
It’s fascinating contrasting the passage above with an article Freddie published in 2022 about the recent phenomenon of social media-addicted teenagers suddenly “discovering” that they suffer from dissociative identity disorder (“DID” for short, popularly known as “multiple personality disorder”), an exceptionally rare condition in which a person has multiple distinct personalities (called “alters”). Freddie unequivocally asserted that most or all of these teenagers are either mistaken (honestly confusing the symptoms of some relatively banal personality trait or mental illness for an exotic psychosis) or actively lying; that this is bad for the teenagers themselves; and that the adults who ought to know better but indulge these teenagers anyway should be ashamed of themselves. He even went so far as to argue that dissociative identity disorder may not even exist, citing as evidence (among other things) that certain people only “discovered” they had it after being charged with a crime. How this observation ties into the transgender debate is left as an exercise to the reader (but here are a few hints).

I really cannot fathom how Freddie can reconcile his position in the DID article with his position on trans teenagers: the cognitive dissonance is simply astounding. Freddie insists that gender-critical people need not be concerned about teenagers receiving hormones or surgical interventions, as the rates at which these are occurring are “low” and “vanishingly rare” respectively - but I would be very surprised if the number of teenagers claiming to suffer from DID (even if they aren’t receiving any medical treatment for same) is greater than the number coming out as trans, which does not in any way alter Freddie’s opinion that the former is a concerning trend. He talks about “a notoriously controversial and historically extremely rare disorder… suddenly bloom[ing] into epidemic proportions among teenagers with smartphones and a burning need to differentiate themselves” and does not accept for a moment the explanation that “expanding public consciousness about such illnesses reduces stigma and empowers more people to get diagnosed with conditions they already had” - but simply refuses to connect the dots with the other thing that awkward teenagers with smartphones and burning need to differentiate themselves started “discovering” about themselves en masse all over the Western world about ten years ago (which resulted in an over 5,000% increase in referrals among female minors to the UK’s centre for transgender children - in the space of less than ten years). And the standard explanation offered for why so many female teenagers are coming out as trans is word-for-word the same as the standard explanation for why so many teenagers are claiming to suffer from DID!

Imagine, if you will, two female teenagers:
  • Alice is a socially awkward thirteen-year-old with some autistic tendencies. Having trouble fitting in at school, she retreats into social media, becoming immersed in communities of like-minded individuals on Tumblr and TikTok. Six months later, she announces to her parents that she has dissociative identity disorder and multiple “alters” (having given no indication that she experienced like this at any point prior), and demands to be brought to a therapist, and perhaps later to a psychiatrist who will prescribe her powerful antipsychotic medication which comes with a host of side effects.
  • Barbara is a socially awkward thirteen-year-old with some autistic tendencies. Having trouble fitting in at school, she retreats into social media, becoming immersed in communities of like-minded individuals on Tumblr and TikTok. Six months later, she announces to her parents that she is a trans boy called Brandon (having given no indication that she was dissatisfied with her gender identity at any point prior), and demands to be brought to a physician who specialises in gender issues who will prescribe her hormones (which come with a host of side effects) and recommend that she undergo top and/or bottom surgery.
Freddie looks at Alice and says: this is concerning, and Alice will suffer as a result - I don’t care that I’m not Alice’s parent or healthcare provider, I still think it’s concerning and I’m entitled to say so. Freddie looks at Barbara/Brandon and says: nothing to see here - it’s a private matter for Brandon, Brandon’s parents and Brandon’s healthcare providers, “I don’t understand why this element of medical science has become everyone’s business to a degree that is simply not true in other fields”, and if you think this is concerning then you’re a bigot. No matter how much a gender-critical person might insist that they are motivated by concern for Barbara/Brandon’s welfare which is just as authentic as Freddie’s for Alice - no, they’re really just a closeted conservative Christian consumed with hatred and disgust for trans people. I truly do not understand why Freddie is entitled to his opinion on Alice (despite not knowing her personally), but no gender-critical person is entitled to their opinion on Barbara/Brandon.

Let’s take it a step further:
  • Alice is a socially awkward thirteen-year-old with some autistic tendencies. Having trouble fitting in at school, she retreats into social media, becoming immersed in communities of like-minded individuals on Tumblr and TikTok. Six months later, she announces to her parents that she has dissociative identity disorder and multiple “alters”, and also that her “primary” persona is that of a trans boy named Alan (having given no indication that she suffered from dissociative identity disorder or any discomfort with her gender identity prior to installing TikTok on her phone). Alice/Alan demands to be brought to a therapist, and perhaps later to a psychiatrist who will prescribe her powerful antipsychotic medication which comes with a host of side effects; and also to a physician who specialises in gender issues who will prescribe her hormones (which come with a host of side effects) and recommend that she undergo top and/or bottom surgery.
What reasonable person would look at the scenario described above and not immediately conclude “Alice has erroneously come to believe both that she is trans and suffers from DID because of her social media consumption”? But Freddie would have us believe that the two phenomena are entirely unrelated. The fact that Alice discovered that she was transgender and had DID at exactly the same time, that she did so immediately after spending far too much time in online communities in which both DID and being trans are glamorised - this is all just a big coincidence. Freddie absolutely reserves the right to say that Alice will suffer as a result of her erroneous belief that she has DID, but anyone (outside of Alice’s parents and healthcare providers) who does the same of her belief that she is a trans boy has outed themselves as a cruel, malicious bigot.

Some of the passages from Freddie’s DID article are almost painfully on-the-nose:

You might very well ask how it could possibly be the case that a notoriously controversial and historically extremely rare disorder would suddenly bloom into epidemic proportions among teenagers with smartphones and a burning need to differentiate themselves. How could that happen? The standard line on these things is that expanding public consciousness about such illnesses reduces stigma and empowers more people to get diagnosed with conditions they already had. [emphasis mine]
And the core point here is that the people who are being hurt by this are these kids themselves. Sucking up scarce mental health resources with fictitious conditions is irresponsible, yes, and pretending to be sick for clout is untoward. But setting that aside, self-diagnosis is dangerous. Playacting a serious mental illness is harmful to your actual mental health. Fixating on the most broken part of yourself is contrary to best medical practices and to living a fulfilled life. Defining yourself by dysfunction is a great way to stay dysfunctional. And everything about mental illness that seems cool and deep and intense when you’re 18 becomes sad and pathetic and self-destructive and ugly by the time you’re 40. Take it from me. These kids are hurting themselves. I don’t want to ridicule them. I’m not even angry at them. I’m angry at their adult enablers. That includes the vast edifice of woowoo self-help bullshit Instagram self-actualization yoga winemom feel-good consumerist tell-me-I’m-special psychiatric medicine, and a media that loves the prurient thrills of multiple personalities and never saw a vulnerability that it couldn’t exploit.
Most of these young people will probably just move on as they get older, realizing that keeping up this pretense is exhausting and pointless, and go on to live (I hope) normal healthy lives. But some of them are no doubt using these popular and trendy diagnoses as a way to avoid what’s really wrong with them, far more prosaic and thus unsexy personal problems, whether mental illnesses or not. And all of this, the enabling and the humoring and the patronizing, will really hurt them in the long run. Adults who play into it should be ashamed. [emphasis mine]
Incidentally, the scenario described above (in which Alice comes to believe that she is both trans and has DID) is not an armchair hypothetical. I took a quick scan of the #dissociativeidentitydisorder tag on TikTok and noticed that many of the individuals posting content under that tag describe themselves as transgender in addition to claiming to have multiple alters. Transgender patients who also claim to suffer from DID is apparently a sufficiently common scenario that it was discussed at the World Professional Association for Transgender Health in September 2022. What to do in the event that there is disagreement among the “alters” about whether or not to undergo medical transition? WPATH’s elegant solution: use a smartphone app to allow the alters to vote in turn and come to a collective decision.

Self-regulation of medical bodies

Stories like the above are precisely why so many gender-critical people don’t share Freddie’s optimism in the ability or willingness of the “medical community to change their standard of care as new data comes available”. By asserting that “I am certain… that I don’t want the government getting involved in these medical decisions. Ron Desantis does not get a say, sorry”, Freddie is committing himself to a position in which the medical bodies governing transition for minors will always be able to effectively self-regulate and will never require outside interference from governmental bodies.

That’s a remarkably high level of confidence to have in any medical body governing any kind of medical treatment. Of course we would all love to live in a world in which medical bodies can self-regulate and no outside interference is necessary, but - well, medical scandals happen, and sometimes the government getting involved is an act of last resort after self-regulation fails. I’m not saying that the bodies governing healthcare for trans minors are any worse at self-regulation and course-correction than the average medical body (whether in oncology or orthopaedics or whatever); but I’m definitely saying I don’t think I have any good reason to believe that these medical bodies are better than average, and certainly not so much better that Freddie’s unshakeable confidence in them can be rationally justified.

To use an example of how medical bodies’ self-regulation can and does fail, the Irish surgeon Michael Neary conducted unnecessary hysterectomies and other surgical procedures on over a hundred women over a thirty-year period. Several nurses blew the whistle at various points in his career, to no avail; an internal investigation conducted by three consultants found no evidence of wrongdoing and recommended that Neary continue working in the Lourdes Hospital. It was only after a judicial inquiry brought by the ministry for health and children (i.e. the government) that Neary was finally struck off the register, five years after the internal investigation found he’d done nothing wrong. If the government hadn’t gotten involved (as a measure of last resort, the ability of the medical bodies in question having demonstrably failed to self-regulate and course-correct), it’s entirely possible that Neary would have ruined dozens of additional women’s lives before retiring on a tidy pension. Or consider the more recent example of Lucy Letby, a serial killer working as a nurse who murdered at least 7 newborn babies: the NHS Foundation Trust attempted to handle the matter internally (even forcing doctors who’d raised the alarm about Letby to personally apologise to her) and were extremely resistant to involving the police. It was only after alerting the police (i.e. the government) - nearly two full years after members of staff had raised the alarm following Letby’s first confirmed victim - that Letby was finally removed from her position and later arrested, charged and convicted.

To clarify: I’m not saying that governmental intervention into transition for minors is currently necessary. However, the suggestion that we can confidently assert that no such intervention will ever be necessary is preposterous. I don’t think we have any good reason to believe that the medical bodies governing medical transition for minors are invulnerable to the kinds of social dynamics and institutional failures that have afflicted every other kind of medical body (4), and doctors as a profession (as the examples above illustrate) are notorious for closing ranks and circling the wagons at the first whiff of a potential scandal. To simply declare by fiat “the medical bodies governing transition for minors will always be able to self-regulate and course-correct, governmental oversight or intervention is not necessary and never will be” is shockingly naïve. He touched on a similar point in his article from March of last year:

For example, it’s entirely possible for clinics that specialize in adolescent transition to be mismanaged or otherwise imperfect. That’s simply the reality of medical care at scale. What I don’t understand is why this would be uniquely disqualifying; there are no doubt dialysis centers and radiology labs and pharmacies that have serious operational problems, but no one thinks that this discredits those kinds of medicine.
All true. The difference being that, in my experience, whistleblowers who call attention to substandard practices at dialysis centres, radiology labs and pharmacies are not generally accused of lying, being right-wing agitators or being bigoted against marginalised members of society - all accusations hurled at Jamie Reed, even well after her claims of misconduct were largely substantiated by no less than the New York Times.

This unqualified confidence in a class of medical practitioners is all the more baffling coming from Freddie, considering he himself found it entirely credible when one of his readers described how her therapist used their sessions as an opportunity to hector and guilt-trip her about her white female privilege in the style of racial grievance politics popularised by Robin diAngelo and Ibram X. Kendi. If therapists are vulnerable to allowing their faddish political opinions override their duty of care to their patients, why not endocrinologists, surgeons and so on?

But I suppose the mere suggestion that endocrinologists who work with trans teenagers are just as fallible and prone to ordinary human error as anyone else makes me a cruel, malicious bigot who hates trans people.

Parental input into their children’s transition is more controversial than Freddie seems to think

As an aside, do you know who besides gender-critical people is a cruel, malicious bigot? If we were to be even a little bit consistent about this, Freddie himself. I’m not the first person to note that perfectly reasonable and level-headed individuals with impeccable progressive bona fides (such as Jesse Singal) have been smeared as bigots by no less an insitution than GLAAD simply for arguing, as Freddie does, that the parents of trans children should have some input into what medical treatments their children do or don’t undergo. The official stance of many pro-trans organisations is that “trans kids know who they are” and that any attempts to gatekeep their access to “gender-affirming care” (including by their parents) is denying them lifesaving medical treatment, no different from denying insulin to a diabetic.

If you think I’m exaggerating, consider this bill in the state of California which would make a parent’s decision to “affirm” their child’s gender identity (or not) a factor in custody disputes (at the time of writing, it has passed both houses but not yet been signed into law). In the eyes of the state of California, all other things being equal, a parent who expresses misgivings about their child’s desire to medically transition is a strictly worse parent than a parent who uncritically and enthusiastically endorses that child’s desire. See also the publicly-funded British charity Mermaids, publicly funded and endorsed by Harry and Meghan, who were caught sending a chest binder to a journalist posing a 14-year-old teenager, even after being explicitly told that the girl’s mother had forbidden her from wearing one.

Obviously, Freddie, you would be very insulted if you were to be smeared as a bigot for expressing the “standard, not-particularly-interesting progressive” opinion that parents should have some say in what medical treatments their children undergo. Please recognise that this “not-particularly interesting” opinion of yours is in fact very controversial in the trans activist space. Please try to understand how gender-critical people feel when you smear them as bigots for expressing what seem to them “standard, not-particularly interesting progressive” opinions, such as “it’s bad when sex offenders falsely claim to be trans women so as to serve their sentences in women’s prisons”.

Detransition

In his article from March, Freddie had this to say about detransitioners:

Yes, detransitioners exist. (I was close with someone like that in grad school.) This is the human species; people do all kinds of things for all kinds of reasons, including transitioning back to a gender identity that they once transitioned from. And I have no particular opinion on how many of those people there are. What I don’t understand is why the existence of detransitioners should undermine our respect for trans people. Why would the mere existence of people who transition back do anything to challenge our belief in the validity of the majority who transition and then maintain that gender identity permanently?
For the record, the existence of detransitioners does not undermine my respect for trans people. I have trans friends who I respect. If they decided that they wanted to revert to being cis, I would support them in that decision absolutely. The existence of people who transition and then come to regret their decision does not challenge my belief that adults are entitled to transition in the first place, any more than (to use a banal example) the existence of people who undergo tattoo removal challenges my belief that adults can get tattoos if they want to.

The detransition phenomenon is important to highlight in the interests of informed consent. If an adult is considering undergoing an elective medical procedure (or series of medical procedures), their healthcare practitioner should proactively make them informed about the statistical outcomes of that medical procedure, which includes the proportion of people who undergo that procedure and later come to regret it. This goes double for surgical procedures which have a high risk of complications. It goes double-double for highly invasive procedures which will irreversibly change large parts of a person’s body and permanently sterilise them. And it goes double-double-double when you’re proposing to do the above on minors.

If our collective attitude towards medical transition was sensible and depoliticised, the paragraph above would be a complete no-brainer. Instead we find ourselves in a culture in which medical transition is routinely presented as a silver bullet which will erase a trans person’s problems in one fell swoop; in which even the expected downsides of successful transition are downplayed and minimised by healthcare practitioners; and in which distressed parents are browbeaten with emotionally manipulative slogans like “Would you rather have a live daughter or a dead son?” In this environment, it’s perfectly reasonable to push back on the soft-pedalling of medical transition by pointing out that a significant proportion of those who transition later regret their decision, and that prospective transitioners ought to take that fact (among others) into account when making their decision.

If anything, the term “detransition” downplays the severity of the situation. A “detransitioner” has not simply pressed Ctrl-Z and reverted their body to factory settings - the changes they have made to their body are generally irreversible and will completely change the course of their life. Michael Neary’s victims were furious upon realising that they were denied the ability to have further children for no good reason at all - the idea that medical professionals would downplay the magnitude of the decision to transition is unconscionable.

The “Fox News Fallacy”

In his article about multiple personality disorder, Freddie described what he called the “Fox News Fallacy”. I will quote from it at length:

Here’s the problem: under current conditions, there’s no way I can talk about any of this in a way that liberals and leftists will listen to. They’ll see that I’m criticizing Zoomers on TikTok who are engaging under the broad umbrella of “identity” and they’ll declare me a reactionary. No matter how right I am. Ruy Texeira calls it the Fox News Fallacy: “if Fox News (substitute here the conservative bête noire of your choice if you prefer) criticizes the Democrats for X then there must be absolutely nothing to X and the job of Democrats is to assert that loudly and often.”
The specific way that lefties will dismiss this problem will be to say, hey, who cares, it’s just adolescents on TikTok. They won’t affirmatively say that it’s good that thousands of teenagers claim to have spontaneously developed an extremely rare and very punishing mental illness, because that’s stupid, so they’ll say it just doesn’t matter, and really it’s weird that you’re paying attention to this. I’ve already established why I care - I believe that this behavior, and the broader suite of 21st century progressive attitudes towards mental health, are doing immense damage to vulnerable young people. But also we’ve seen this movie before.
People pretend that this never happened, now, but in the early and mid-2010s, the stock lefty response to woke insanity at college was not to say that the kids were right and their politics were good. That was a rarely-encountered defense. No, the sneering and haughty response to complaints about, say, incredibly broad trigger warning policies that would effectively give students the option to skip any material they wanted to was, “hey, it’s just college! They’re crazy kids, who cares? Why are you paying so much attention?” Of course, first it was just elite liberal arts colleges, tiny little places, who cares about what happens there. And then it was just college. And then it was just college and Tumblr, and then college and Tumblr and Twitter, and then it was media and the arts, and then all the think tanks and nonprofits, and when it had reached a certain saturation point the defense changed: now it was good. Just like that, overnight, the “it doesn’t matter if that’s happening” sneering defense switched to the “yes that’s happening and it’s good that is’s [sic] happening” sneering defense. From an argument of irrelevancy to an argument of affirmation in no time at all, and absolutely no acknowledgment that what they were dismissing as meaningless the day before they were now defending on the merits.
And I’m fairly certain that’s what will happen with all of this “alters” shit and various other bits of identity madness. If you think we won’t have mainstream media liberals rabidly defending these self-diagnoses as “valid” and the “personal truth” of a generation of internet-addled kids, wait awhile. Wait. You’ll see. The cool types may not feel great about what’s happening, but they’re doggedly attached to never seeming to echo conservative complaints and are very invested in a self-conception of being above it all. So they won’t rock the boat and this ideology will bubble along in the background and eventually questioning it will result in instant excommunication. Meanwhile a lot of kids will get hurt.
I will inevitably be accused of a lack of sympathy for those with mental illnesses. But I have very deep sympathy for everyone who genuinely struggles with the human devastation of mental illness. What I have always demanded is that this sympathy be extended with an unsparing and viciously honest dedication to grasping their true, ugly, and profoundly unsexy reality. None of this stuff is honest, and none of it is healthy, and I think the cul de sac of rigidly-enforced identity politics is a ruinous development for psychiatric medicine. I am truly worried for online youth culture, and for that I’ll be called a reactionary.
And what does Freddie have to say about gender-critical people who are (among other things) concerned about trans teenagers for many of the same reasons that Freddie is concerned about teenagers claiming to have DID? Well, he

  • refuses to say it’s good that tens of thousands of teenagers are claiming to suffer from what was previously an extremely rare medical condition (gender dysphoria) and in many cases requesting drastic and irreversible medical and surgical interventions for same (because it would be stupid to say such a state of affairs is “good”)
  • says it doesn’t matter that it’s happening (“To begin with, every indication is that the number of trans children receiving hormones remains low, and the number undergoing surgical interventions vanishingly rare.”)
  • suggests that it’s weird that gender-critical people are paying attention to this at all (“I don’t understand why this element of medical science has become everyone’s business to a degree that is simply not true in other fields”) and
  • calls all gender-critical people reactionaries (“[Complaining about trans issues] would have made more sense under the old terms of straightforward appeals to public morality and Christian doctrine. The older school of conservative Christians would have simply denounced trans people as wicked, against God’s plan, where now those who agitate against trans rights have to jury-rig these bizarre justifications for restricting them. I would like to put it to those who insist that they don’t hate trans people but who spend endless hours agitating against them… maybe you do hate trans people? Or, at least, feel revulsion towards them, want never to have to encounter them in public?”).
One might think the breadth of criticisms directed towards trans activism and the range of people expressing them might give Freddie pause - surely not all of these people are just bigoted lapsed Christians motivated by animalistic revulsion of trans people? But no - no matter how many people express reservations about this or that component of transgender activism; no matter how measured, restrained and thoroughly researched their criticisms might be; no matter what point on the political spectrum they may reside on (including no less than the Communist Party of Great Britain, who in another world Freddie might consider fellow travellers); even if they are atheist materialists who object to gender ideology specifically because they consider its quasi-mystical dualistic character something of a cultural regression - everyone who is even a little bit more sceptical on the trans issue than Freddie must in fact be a closeted Christian who thinks that trans people are “wicked” and “against God’s plan”. There’s no other possible explanation that merits serious consideration, apparently.

(1): For the record, I don’t blame him for finding this behaviour tiresome, I think the people melodramatically accusing him of hypocrisy for “censoring” them should chill out, and as it’s his Substack, the moderation decisions he enforces on it are entirely his prerogative. To anyone who says that my only beef with Freddie is that he won’t let me talk about this stuff in the comments of his articles about something unrelated, I would like here to reiterate: I have never complained about him forbidding people from bringing up trans issues in the comments of his articles, and completely respect his decision to ban people from doing so.

(2): To better disambiguate between genuine trans women and cis bad actors was the root of my proposal to make incarcerating trans women in women’s prisons conditional on their being first assessed by a psychiatrist experienced in gender issues. Freddie doesn’t even touch on the prison issue at all, I suspect because he recognises a losing battle when he sees one.

(3): Not including the unofficial “Trans Day of Vengeance”, which coincides with April Fool’s Day.

(4): To bring it back to another of Freddie’s older posts: medical bodies are institutions, which means they are exactly as subject to the Iron Law of Institutions as any other institution.
 
Found a pretty good rebuttal to Freddie here.
Ok let's see

I’ve long been a great fan of Freddie deBoer. He’s a consistently thought-provoking and engaging writer
A personal friend of a pedophile. Anyone who says "thot-provoking" unironically should suck-start a shotgun.

No matter how many times a gender-critical person might assert “I’m not worried about trans people using this policy to hurt people - I’m worried about bad actors who are not themselves trans or suffering from gender dysphoria taking advantage of this policy to hurt people”
He's conceding to pedophiles and smearing all gender-criticals. Troons are by far the worst, worse than males in general, worse than black males. Only Indians and Pakis can compete.

the only reasonable explanation is that they’re crypto-conservative fundamentalist Christians motivated solely by disgust and hatred of trans people.
But they should be. Hatred and disgust toward troons are appropriate and necessary reactions.

“Can I see understand [sic] some concerns with overly-aggressive medical providers pushing care on trans-identifying minors too quickly? I guess so.”
He's quoting Boer there but "care". They're pedos. It's not the generic "care", it's specifically sterilization. Medical providers should offer "care" to troonified children, like rape kits and detrooning and regular human services.

I personally am not a diehard advocate for sex-segregated bathrooms, and can see the merit in making all bathrooms gender-neutral.
I bet you ANYTHING he's a pedophile with a hard drive full of anime girls squirming and holding in piss.

If a woman is in a public bathroom and an obviously male person walks in, there is no reliable way for her to tell if that person is a harmless trans woman just minding her own business, or a rapist exploiting well-meaning inclusive policies for malicious ends.
Again troonshielding. A man walking in a women's bathroom can just be confused, but troons ARE sex offenders.
(Another thing he doesn't mention is there are no surveillance cameras in bathrooms. If a troon assaults a woman in a "gender-neutral" bathroom or tries to record her, it's he said she said.)

when, in my experience, gender-critical people go to great lengths to emphasise that they are concerned about bad actors who aren’t trans taking advantage of these policies for malicious ends, rather than trans women doing so.
Again, troonshielding and smearing gender-criticals.

no, they’re really just a closeted conservative Christian consumed with hatred and disgust for trans people.
And again, with a dose of faggotry (wokes would call it homophobia instead when they aren't engaging in same -- it's a classic woke-on-woke purity attack to accuse someone accusing enemies of faggotry of homophobia.)

To clarify: I’m not saying that governmental intervention into transition for minors is currently necessary.
Is transition for minors happening? Yes. Then government intervention is necessary.

If therapists are vulnerable to allowing their faddish political opinions override their duty of care to their patients, why not endocrinologists, surgeons and so on?
This isn't strictly true, therapists are subhuman retards, while surgeons are high IQ. Both can be evil but the reasons differ. I don't think any butcher sympathizes with troons, most of them want money (whites) or a solution to homosexuality (Thai) except crab bucket enjoyer Mark Bowers who wants to spread misery.

Obviously, Freddie, you would be very insulted if you were to be smeared as a bigot for expressing the “standard, not-particularly-interesting progressive” opinion that parents should have some say in what medical treatments their children undergo.
Well they're wrong. Parents should have NO INPUT WHATSOEVER on child trooning. Children shouldn't be trooned no matter what parents think, and parents who think otherwise should be in prison.

For the record, the existence of detransitioners does not undermine my respect for trans people. I have trans friends who I respect.
Friends, plural. This is a pedo. You can have an ex-friend who trooned out and for whom you've since lost all respect but still maintain contact with and hope he recovers. You can't respect a troon. Also, if one of your friends troons out, it's sad. If several of your friends troon out, you've been hanging out with sex offenders and are likely a sex offender yourself.

If they decided that they wanted to revert to being cis
Cis is a slur.

The existence of people who transition and then come to regret their decision does not challenge my belief that adults are entitled to transition in the first place, any more than (to use a banal example) the existence of people who undergo tattoo removal challenges my belief that adults can get tattoos if they want to.
Bad example, pedo. People with tattoos don't make demands of other people; in fact they get routinely discriminated for being tattooed. Also they pay out of pocket for both tattoos and removal. Troons want expensive surgery on the public dime that greatly increases the chance of them being a massive drain on public health and society in general and they want massive privileges for it.

"The older school of conservative Christians would have simply denounced trans people as wicked, against God’s plan, where now those who agitate against trans rights have to jury-rig these bizarre justifications for restricting them."
This is Boer again and he's right, neo-Leninists are the real transphobes. ("Conservatives" are just libs driving the speed limit.)

surely not all of these people are just bigoted lapsed Christians motivated by animalistic revulsion of trans people?
They should be! Animalistic revulsion is a healthy and appropriate reaction!

(2): To better disambiguate between genuine trans women and cis bad actors was the root of my proposal to make incarcerating trans women in women’s prisons conditional on their being first assessed by a psychiatrist experienced in gender issues.
Aaaaaand guess what, troonshielding again. The pedo leaves no possibility that a "genuine trans woman" may also be a violent criminal and/or a child rapist (many are). Only "cis" can be "bad actors".

And even if a troon is officially a small-time white-collar embezzler who nuked the HDD just in time, it's still monstrous to force him on female prisoners -- otherwise, why not mixed-sex prisons? If nonviolent troons can be locked up with women, why not nonviolent non-troon men? He already talked about troonism destroying motivation for sex-specific bathrooms in the bathroom section and about male strength in the sports section, but somehow the same reasoning doesn't apply here just a couple paragraphs down.
 
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I love how in Freddie the faggot's second article he justifies shutting down the comments section by saying he could TOTALLY argue and debate circles around the anti-trans crowd, but he just doesn't have the time and energy to do so. But he could TOTALLY shut them down with his wit and intelligence, because he is just so smart, you see. He even mentions having to read and reply to every comment as if he would be forced to do so with a gun to his head, instead of just letting people comment freely and reply to whichever comments he felt like replying to.

Instead, I'll forward the possibility (likelihood) that Freddie shut down the comments because he wants to avoid t dissent and counter arguments. He's like all Leftards, where allowing people to put forth differing views is horrifying to him and he must censor any views that differ from his own. After all, if people were allowed to post their own views and disagreements with his views, it might change people's minds. Those differing views and disagreements might put forward compelling arguments that could convince even more people to become bigoted ista-phobes! And we can't have that because it would threaten Our Democracy!
 
Please, help me understand this, because it’s never made an ounce of sense to me. The claim is that, if you make murder legal, people will murder people, right? Here’s my question: do you think that a law on a piece of paper is gonna keep a murderer from murdering? Like, there’s a violent person who wants to commit a murder, and he’s about to follow a victim into a dark alley to do so, but then he remembers that there's a law against murder and says “ah shucks, I guess no murder for me today”? I simply do not understand this.
 
Please, help me understand this, because it’s never made an ounce of sense to me. The claim is that, if you make murder legal, people will murder people, right? Here’s my question: do you think that a law on a piece of paper is gonna keep a murderer from murdering? Like, there’s a violent person who wants to commit a murder, and he’s about to follow a victim into a dark alley to do so, but then he remembers that there's a law against murder and says “ah shucks, I guess no murder for me today”? I simply do not understand this.
Every single fucking time somebody defends trannies it's always a case of special pleading. I shouldn't need to get into the weeds of how our entire fucking system of law and order works in order to explain the obvious fact that more harm is going to happen if you make it legal for men to be in women's restrooms. Nobody ever applies this sort of scepticism to any other fucking law in existence but suddenly men in dresses come along and threaten to kill themselves unless they get their way and all these oh so clever bullshit vapid arguments come out.

It's all so tiresome.
 
I love how in Freddie the faggot's second article he justifies shutting down the comments section by saying he could TOTALLY argue and debate circles around the anti-trans crowd, but he just doesn't have the time and energy to do so. But he could TOTALLY shut them down with his wit and intelligence, because he is just so smart, you see. He even mentions having to read and reply to every comment as if he would be forced to do so with a gun to his head, instead of just letting people comment freely and reply to whichever comments he felt like replying to.

Instead, I'll forward the possibility (likelihood) that Freddie shut down the comments because he wants to avoid t dissent and counter arguments. He's like all Leftards, where allowing people to put forth differing views is horrifying to him and he must censor any views that differ from his own. After all, if people were allowed to post their own views and disagreements with his views, it might change people's minds. Those differing views and disagreements might put forward compelling arguments that could convince even more people to become bigoted ista-phobes! And we can't have that because it would threaten Our Democracy!
DeBoer actually banned people from bringing up trannies in his comments for a good long time. He'll write an article about how zoomers on TikTok are not actually mentally ill, but then flip out if someone suggests the possibility that trannies might also be full of shit. It would be hilarious if actually went on something like the Blocked and Reported podcast to debate it, but he's not going to. He has an enormous blind spot about this subject.
 
DeBoer actually banned people from bringing up trannies in his comments for a good long time. He'll write an article about how zoomers on TikTok are not actually mentally ill, but then flip out if someone suggests the possibility that trannies might also be full of shit. It would be hilarious if actually went on something like the Blocked and Reported podcast to debate it, but he's not going to. He has an enormous blind spot about this subject.

My bet would be that he knows this is all bullshit, that the vast majority of troons and pooners, especially the young ones, are claiming to be transgender for attention and to feel special, but do not actually have gender dysphoria. He knows it's all a fad, a social contagion, but he is being wilfully ignorant and obtuse. People have mentioned he as a pooner niece, but he's also clearly a Lefty, and the Left have made a whole industry out of identity politics. He knows if he doesn't tow the party line on this topic he will not only lose access to members of his family, he will be excommunicated from the church.
 
He knows if he doesn't tow the party line on this topic he will not only lose access to members of his family, he will be excommunicated from the church.
The thing is he's already been excommunicated plenty. I don't know what the relationship with his family is like but I bet it's fruitless to kowtow to them and they would eventually find another reason to cut him off.
 
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