Law Hungary Discontinues Gender Studies Programs - gg no re feminists

https://www.breitbart.com/london/20...gender-studies-programs-ideology-not-science/

The Hungarian government is discontinuing programs in gender studies at state-run universities after determining the programs serve no identifiable purpose and are based on “ideology rather than science.”
Bence Rétvári, Secretary of State of the Ministry of Human Resources (EMMI), said that university degrees must be rooted in a scientific basis, whereas gender studies, “like Marxist-Leninism,” are more aptly termed ideology than science, and are inappropriate matter for university-level education.

A spokesman for the Hungarian government told Breitbart News that there is no demand for gender studies graduates in the Hungarian job market.

“There is no economic rationale for studies such as these,” he said, and nor does the program “furnish students with skills that can be readily and directly converted on the labour market.”

Few university students will be affected by the decision, since only 11 applicants were admitted this year into the gender studies program at ELTE, which has a cap of 18 students, and two more at George Soros’s CEU.

The spokesman said that programs with such low student numbers are unsustainable and “take away valuable resources from other programs, deteriorating the economic stability of universities.”

“State universities operated from public funds must take these factors into consideration,” he said, “since the purpose of these institutions of higher education is to meet genuine social and labour market needs.”

The government decree only affects two universities in Hungary, the Eötvös Loránd University in Budapest (ELTE) and the Central European University (CEU), the only two offering gender studies at the graduate level.

Officials have been eying gender studies with some suspicion for a while. In 2017, Lőrinc Nacsa, the leader of the Christian Democrat (KDNP) youth wing, said that gender studies at ELTE are a wasteful luxury and counterproductive.

“We must raise awareness to the fact that these programs are doing nothing to lift up our nation. In fact, they are destroying the vvalues-centred mode of thinking that is still present in the countries of Central Europe,” Mr. Nacsa wrote in a letter to the president of ELTE.

 

[Bob's Fries]

Well the guy is LITERALLY a Nazi collaborator who made his fortune by selling out not only Jews, but his own countrymen to the SS during WWII for payoffs in Nazi gold.

He's even shamelessly admitted this and refused to apologize.

He might be able to bury it under a mountain of money in a lot of places, but quite a few people can't be bought off.

I keep hearing about this. Any sources? It's not that I disagree, but I want to know if there's anything tangible on this.

 

[CWCchange]

Russia has Muslim population growth comparable to that of Western Europe, and for all the tough man image Putin is very fond of writing off Islamic autonomous region debts while raising taxes and pension ages for Russians, just to dissuade separatism. Just look at shit Chechens get away with.

Many countries like Poland are highly dependent on Western Europe and their economy would suffer greatly if Western Europe was to fall.

Ukraine is only still standing due to grudge towards Russia, it's a wreck of a nation.

Sorry, but for all the Eastern Europe infatuation, the region is still too weak on its own, except for Russia which has own problems comparable to Western European ones.

Western Europe wishes it has to deal with Slavic Muslims like Chechens and Bosniaks, rather than letting in black and brown rapefugees.

The European Union keeps the east subservient to Germany, and if the system were to collapse, the effects are exaggerated, and everything would correct itself in due course. Why do you think Euroskepticism is strongest in Eastern Europe?

Architectural Design and Engineering, like the good old days.

At least in the good old days, architecture from school alumni apart from Notre Dame didn't look like the following:

 

[Coldgrip]

Western Europe wishes it has to deal with Slavic Muslims like Chechens and Bosniaks, rather than letting in black and brown rapefugees.

The European Union keeps the east subservient to Germany, and if the system were to collapse, the effects are exaggerated, and everything would correct itself in due course. Why do you think Euroskepticism is strongest in Eastern Europe?


At least in the good old days, architecture from school alumni apart from Notre Dame didn't look like the following:

What the fuck am I looking at in those pictures?

 

[Latias]

I took a human sexuality course my first year of Junior College as an easy elective; did in fact get an A.
It was infinitely more useful than any gender studies class because it actually taught people USEFUL things.
It was basically a sex ed class but all the info was spread out into sections...

There were legit people ages 20+ in my class that didn't completely, 100% understand their genitals/how pregnancy worked/contraceptives/ect- or how to have a heathly relationship, how to please a partner, how to communicate in a relationship, how to help someone/yourself get away from abuse. it was incredibly interesting and the teacher herself had been through some shit as a child which is why she started teaching the class in the first place.

We did go over gender/sexuality spectrum/etc, but most of the class was rooted in things sexually/romantically active people NEEDED to know. It's a shame the sex ed classes kids have in elementary school are so painfully lacking and dangerously tote the "celibacy until marriage/etc" doctrine.

Celibacy doesn't usually work for a multitude of reasons and if you refuse to provide children/teens correct info on their growing bodies/how to protect themselves... Well, that's how we end up with a lot of unnecessary people in the world and a lot of unnecessary pain and drama, ain't it?

 

[Echo_Ender]

I keep hearing about this. Any sources? It's not that I disagree, but I want to know if there's anything tangible on this.

This was back in the day before he had his lefty sycophants calling everyone Nazis, but he used to talk like this all the time...

 

[Male Idiot]

I was extremely worried when I noticed ELTE, the Eötvös Lórand University of Science, had Gender studies. It was the most famous, most pants on head scientific institution of my time. I had a biology teacher tell to my face that DNA determines sex to a wholly agreeing bunch of the hairiest lesbos you could imagine. Science was fact based and feelings insensitive.

This is a Harvard equivalent university, on par with the Semmelweis Medical University, Corvinus academy of Economics and the BME, the Budapest Engineering and Economics University, the oldest and first engineering university in Europe.

To see the rot has taken place at such a vaunted and ancient university where I did studies and watched as it was clean, is heartbreaking. Its like having Flat Earthers preach at NASA level of horror against the Holy cause of White Science.

But now I am not ashamed but glad, for maybe these finest, oldest instiutions of Europe's science that uplifted the world are not beyond saving.

Elementary schools provide sex ad at the legal age start, 14. This is a very scientific discourse with a doctor mostly without any imaginery, just mainly mechanical and biological explanations. Erection, coitus, impregnation, STDs and protection. Short, useful, pragmatic and to the point.

Plus it is follewed up by the local Beavis and Buttheads asking the facepalming doctor "Hey if I jerk off 10 times day, will I run out of jizz?" "You may have reduced sperm count when you are 40." *Horrified silence from the hoodlums.*

This is good, this is beyond good. Build another stadion Orban, you earned this one.

There is very few things that we can be proud of and have not been taken. A good higher education is one of those .

Perhaps the light of true, logic and reason driver science that cares for evidence and not fee fee-s still has a few kicks left in it.

But at least like only 13 fools took part in it. Out of thousands. There is hope yet, slim, but alive.

 

[Silence of the Troons]

@Male Idiot Out of curiosity, does the Hungarian language distinguish between sex (male/female) and gender (masculine/feminine) or do you just use the same word for both of those things? Is there also an on-going debate in Hungary about ”gender identity” and whether it should replace the sex-based definitions of male and female (like in some Western countries)?

 

[idosometimes]

But what program would we mock if not for gender studies?

English, journalism, any other "studies" program, philosophy, cultural anthro, sociology, psychology, and every other nonsense course of study. All humanities and "soft sciences" are worthless garbage that keep the species from advancing.

 

[Alec Benson Leary]

Eh, I’m uneasy about this. In actual state-run universities, I can see why funding would be discontinued for something as useless as gender studies.
However, governments trying to shut down academia over politics is never a good sign. Any attempt to control the free flow of ideas is wrong, no matter who it’s done by.

Agreed. I'm all for the state cutting funding to public universities, but the private evergreens of the country should be able to keep teaching whatever worthless programs they want, provided they can convince students to pay for it.

Though I guess I don't know much about the nature of the public/private divide in the Hungarian education system, how wide or blurred it might be.

 

[TiggerNits]

Agreed. I'm all for the state cutting funding to public universities, but the private evergreens of the country should be able to keep teaching whatever worthless programs they want, provided they can convince students to pay for it.

Though I guess I don't know much about the nature of the public/private divide in the Hungarian education system, how wide or blurred it might be.

Accreditation is probably the crux. Like every university in the US needs accreditation to be considered a legitimate place of learning, with programs within schools having to stand to scrutiny as well as the school as a whole. Hungary seems to be the same way after a cursory look in to it. My guess is the accreditation board just got the balls to say "Yeah, this isn't a real science or even educational discipline, it's getting nixed because its a pointless endeavor to continue wasting our time and effort on"

 

[Haramburger]

"The Poll"
Is that a motherfuckin' D'arby reference?

 

[don't tred on snek]

I keep hearing about this. Any sources? It's not that I disagree, but I want to know if there's anything tangible on this.

From the fake news pedia:

Soros was 13 years old in March 1944 when Nazi Germany occupied Hungary.[34]

What a dastardly teenager he was then

also, what's wrong with those buildings other than general whining about "teh modurn art!!". They honestly look pretty fine to me and I've seen a lot of ugly modern buildings? I like the colours and geometrical shapes[/QUOTE]

 

[Male Idiot]

@Male Idiot Out of curiosity, does the Hungarian language distinguish between sex (male/female) and gender (masculine/feminine) or do you just use the same word for both of those things? Is there also an on-going debate in Hungary about ”gender identity” and whether it should replace the sex-based definitions of male and female (like in some Western countries)?

Most Hungarians have no concept of "gender" as in something separate from biological sex. Those that knew English just think it is a synonym. I'm sure some liberal academics know of it, but 99% of the population is yet blissfully ignorant of the silly subject. Indeed it is something I first learned of in this website, and still can't really take it seriously any more than I can take a kid who thinks he is a fire truck.

Troonism is generally considered a pityable form of gay illness if the person is nice, and degeneracy if the person is not. Remember, this is the country where anal is associated with scat and it was illegal during soviet era alongside all things homo, which is now considered legal but disgusting, and usually no one will pity a fag who gets beat up in bars. Lesbians are usually unknown and most people think its a porn thing that has no real life basis.

I think this is true for most of eastern europe, though Czech maybe less hostile to gays, and other countries more hostile. These countries are fiercely collectivist in this regard. Remember these peoples have been rather more truthful and undiplomatic in manners, and communism instilled a still very prevalent belief in objective science. If physics says something, that is so, and no snowflake's opinion will matter against its evidence.

As the saying goes, "What is in my heart, is on my lips."

The Majority is the important thing, the minorities are an annoyance that we have to tolerate or Eu will not give gibsmuh and our mailbox will be full of angry, pathetic UN letters.

There is no male/female pronoun, there is a pronoun for persons and one for inanimate objects. Animals are a gray area, pets usually get the people pronoun and farm animals the inanimate one.

But if you thought that is easy, there are 3 second person pronouns. One for close family members and friends (and your obnoxius, "I'm a teen at 50 and totally your bro" boss), one is a general use neutral one for people you meet on the street, and there is a formal one that you use for a respectable boss or goverment official, or business partner.

Elderly are usually addressed as the formal even by family, and children with the friendly one even by strangers. With the pensioners, old fashioned speech usually even adds "as you please" to everything, which can get repetitive fast. "How do you please to be? Would you please to sit down?"

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

Most Hungarians have no concept of "gender" as in something separate from biological sex. Those that knew English just think it is a synonym.

It is a synonym to everyone but a small subset of academics and tumblr weirdos.

 

[Male Idiot]

It is a synonym to everyone but a small subset of academics and tumblr weirdos.

Yep, but we do not get the whole "societal role" thing. Gender/sex is just what Biology put between your legs, and that's all there is to it.

 

[ForgedBlades]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/hungary-gender-studies-ban-draws-university-anger-170629116.html

Budapest (AFP) - A prestigious Hungarian university on Tuesday blasted a government decree that prohibits gender studies courses as a "major infringement" on academic freedom.

The decree, signed by Prime Minister Viktor Orban and in force since Saturday, dropped the subject from a list of masters degree programmes entitled to official accreditation and financial support.

Institutions are also now barred from launching new courses in the discipline, although students who have already begun courses may complete their studies, according to the decree.

"This is a major infringement on academic freedom and university autonomy," said the Budapest-based Central European University (CEU) in a statement.

"Eliminating this programme will be a significant loss to the Hungarian scholarly community and for democratically-minded public policy," said the CEU, one of only two universities in Hungary that offered gender studies degrees.

The decree is seen by critics as the latest attack by Orban's right-wing government on both university independence and political opponents of its socially conservative policies.

Orban's tough rhetoric and anti-immigration measures alarm critics but have bolstered his populist support at home and won him praise from other hardline European leaders.

In June a magazine owned by a close ally of Orban published a list of researchers at the Hungarian Academy of Sciences, accusing them of working on "gay rights and gender science".

Orban's deputy Zsolt Semjen said later gender studies "has no business (being taught) in universities," because it is "an ideology not a science".

Labour market demand for gender studies graduates was also "close to zero," as "no-one wants to employ a gender-ologist," Semjen said.

The CEU, where gender studies has been taught for over two decades, is also embroiled in a bitter administrative dispute that the university says could drive it out of the Hungarian capital, its home since 1993.

A higher education law placing tough new requirements on foreign universities which passed last year was also seen by critics as targeting the CEU, founded by liberal US billionaire George Soros.

Attracting students from over 100 countries and also offering US-accredited programmes, the university has long been seen by Orban as a hostile bastion of liberalism.

 

[Maggots on a Train v2]

If it's that important to them, there's nothing to stop them from gobbling up propaganda on their own time, at their own expense. You can still study any dumb shit you want.

 

[TowinKarz]

It's almost like for all it's "importance" it sure doesn't seem able to self-sustain when the government teat is unavailable, isn't it?

 

[Dysnomia]

Good. Just another useless degree to burn your parents money.

Yeah, this is pretty much legit. I could entertain the notion that the interactions and impacts of gender could be studied academically in a Sociology/History/Anthropology or Arts context, but the modern 'Gender Studies' programs are just feminist supremacy indoctrination disguised (poorly) as curricula.

I'm glad I took anthropology pre-SJW. Because there were several lessons about gender roles that would have been labeled "problematic". You can learn about gender without having to toss in identity politics and trigger warnings all over the place. No one wants to be in a classroom full of screeching dangerhairs and sexual predators who like to call themselves male feminists.

 

[Curt Sibling]

Looks like no-one was "Hungary" for that gender gibberish.